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Is there now one command framework in the platform that EMF & GEF could use? [message #418709]

Thu, 24 April 2008 17:26

Al B

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On July 2004, Frank Budinsky mentioned about having one command framework
in the platform that EMF & GEF could use. Did that ever happen?

http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.tools.emf/msg0 5420.html

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Re: Is there now one command framework in the platform that EMF & GEF could use? [message #418712 is a reply to message #418709]

Thu, 24 April 2008 18:21

Ed Merks

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AJ,

Since then the platform came up with one more command famework. :-P

The GMF project integrates EMF and GEF nicely:
<http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/gmf/>

http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/gmf/

AJ wrote:
> On July 2004, Frank Budinsky mentioned about having one command
> framework in the platform that EMF & GEF could use. Did that ever happen?
>
> http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.tools.emf/msg0 5420.html
>

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AJ, 
 
Since then the platform came up with one more command famework. :-P 
 
The GMF project integrates EMF and GEF nicely:<a
href="http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/gmf/"> 
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<blockquote><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/gmf/">http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/gmf/</a> 
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Ed Merks
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Re: Is there now one command framework in the platform that EMF & GEF could use? [message #418713 is a reply to message #418712]

Thu, 24 April 2008 18:33

Al B

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Ed,

Unfortunately, our current application was developed 3 years ago using
GEF. Today, we want to introduce/utilize EMF, but GMF is not an option for
us at this point.

So, does it mean that the EMF + GEF combination will be issue for us
unless we move to GMF?

By issue, I meant the known problem of having two active command stacks to
synchronize.

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Thu, 24 April 2008 20:00

Ed Merks

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AJ,

I think it would be best to use wrappers to end up with one common
command stack. I think this book explains how:

GEF EMF Redbook
< http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/RedbookAbstract s/sg246302.html>

AJ wrote:
> Ed,
>
> Unfortunately, our current application was developed 3 years ago using
> GEF. Today, we want to introduce/utilize EMF, but GMF is not an option
> for us at this point.
>
> So, does it mean that the EMF + GEF combination will be issue for us
> unless we move to GMF?
>
> By issue, I meant the known problem of having two active command
> stacks to synchronize.
>
>

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AJ, 
 
I think it would be best to use wrappers to end up with one common
command stack.

Ed Merks
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Re: Is there now one command framework in the platform that EMF & GEF could use? [message #418718 is a reply to message #418717]

Thu, 24 April 2008 20:16

Al B

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Ed,

Unfortunately, our hopes die in Chapter 5 (p. 166); where it says:

"We can think about using GEF and EMF together from two different
perspectives; using an EMF model within a GEF application, or augmenting
EMF.Edit-based editors using GEF. In this book, we focus on the first
perspective only. The second approach deserves a book of its own, as
integrating an EMF.Edit-based editor with GEF provides its own challenges."

So, let me know when someone has written a book about the second approach
;-)

Thanks anyway!

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Re: Is there now one command framework in the platform that EMF & GEF could use? [message #418792 is a reply to message #418718]

Tue, 29 April 2008 22:35

David Steinberg

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AJ wrote:

> So, let me know when someone has written a book about the second
> approach ;-)

Maybe the best place to start would still be with GMF's command
integration. Even if you can't use GMF, you can look at how they
tackled this problem.

Books are overrated, anyway. ;)

Cheers,
Dave

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Re: Is there now one command framework in the platform that EMF & GEF could use? [message #418794 is a reply to message #418792]

Tue, 29 April 2008 23:43

Ed Merks

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Dave,

Generally books are overrated, but not the second edition of the EMF
book! It's a literary work of technical excellence unsurpassed in the
modern age of technical writing. It's worth its more than its weight in
platinum. Or so I've been led to believe anyway...

Dave Steinberg wrote:
> AJ wrote:
>
>> So, let me know when someone has written a book about the second
>> approach ;-)
>
> Maybe the best place to start would still be with GMF's command
> integration. Even if you can't use GMF, you can look at how they
> tackled this problem.
>
> Books are overrated, anyway. ;)
>
> Cheers,
> Dave

Ed Merks
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Re: Is there now one command framework in the platform that EMF & GEF could use? [message #418874 is a reply to message #418794]

Wed, 30 April 2008 14:41

Al B

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Ed,

Is this the one that the "buzz" around Hollywood is to make it into a
movie!?!?!

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Re: Is there now one command framework in the platform that EMF & GEF could use? [message #418875 is a reply to message #418874]

Wed, 30 April 2008 14:50

Ed Merks

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AJ,

Well yes of course, but we all know that a movie can never be as good as
a book! A book can last for days, but a movie only for a few hours.
Nevertheless, with some highly attractive movie stars to play the
appropriate life-like roles, I'm sure it will be pretty cool for those
who are impressed by eye candy and not inclined to think very hard;
thinking and using your imagination can be so tiring and are nearly as
overrated as the books that stimulate such activities...

AJ wrote:
> Ed,
>
> Is this the one that the "buzz" around Hollywood is to make it into a
> movie!?!?!
>

Ed Merks
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