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| SpringLayout? [message #42167] |
Thu, 17 June 2004 13:40  |
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Originally posted by: jesion_list.USUNTO.gazeta.pl
hi,
it seems that it's not supported yet. are there any plans on it?
wojtek
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| Re: SpringLayout? [message #42380 is a reply to message #42167] |
Fri, 18 June 2004 16:04  |
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Perhaps this question has been answered earlier, but I am a newbie to VE and
this is my question as well. I would love to know when and if SpringLayout
or a similar type layout manager is planned to be available. Great job on
the VE, btw, excellent work! I could never do something like this, I know
that much!
Could anyone explain to me why Java uses layout managers? I know this is
probably not the right forum for this, but someone has to know, right? To
me, they don't seem useful at all, it would be ten times easier just to give
an x and y coordinate at which to place objects (similar to what can be
accomplished in the SpringLayout) and to not allow window resizing. I have
spent hours on the Java awt/Swing tutorial website just trying to figure out
if there is an advantage to them, and as of yet have found none.
Thanks in advance,
-Patrick
"Wojciech Jakobczyk" <jesion_list@USUNTO.gazeta.pl> wrote in message
news:caspjv$4ln$1@eclipse.org...
> hi,
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> it seems that it's not supported yet. are there any plans on it?
>
> wojtek
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| Re: SpringLayout? [message #42431 is a reply to message #42380] |
Fri, 18 June 2004 18:54 |
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Originally posted by: myersj.nospam.us.ibm.com
Hello wojtek, Patrick,
Designing good tool support for manipulating SpringLayout is a daunting
task. So far none of the VE team has had the time to give it a shot,
and it's unlikely that it'll be a priority for the near future. This
would be an excellent contribution - if someone from the open source
community would like to work on supporting SpringLayout in the VE.
Patrick, if Rich's response did not convince you of the usefulness of
layout managers, you can set the layout to null to size and position
absolutely your components. The customize layout dialog has alignment
tools to help you size and position your components neatly. Again, it's
much preferred that you use a layout manager, but just letting you know
that not using one is an option.
- Jeff
Patrick McMichael wrote:
> Perhaps this question has been answered earlier, but I am a newbie to VE and
> this is my question as well. I would love to know when and if SpringLayout
> or a similar type layout manager is planned to be available. Great job on
> the VE, btw, excellent work! I could never do something like this, I know
> that much!
>
> Could anyone explain to me why Java uses layout managers? I know this is
> probably not the right forum for this, but someone has to know, right? To
> me, they don't seem useful at all, it would be ten times easier just to give
> an x and y coordinate at which to place objects (similar to what can be
> accomplished in the SpringLayout) and to not allow window resizing. I have
> spent hours on the Java awt/Swing tutorial website just trying to figure out
> if there is an advantage to them, and as of yet have found none.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> -Patrick
>
>
> "Wojciech Jakobczyk" <jesion_list@USUNTO.gazeta.pl> wrote in message
> news:caspjv$4ln$1@eclipse.org...
>
>>hi,
>>
>>it seems that it's not supported yet. are there any plans on it?
>>
>>wojtek
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| Re: SpringLayout? [message #42497 is a reply to message #42431] |
Sat, 19 June 2004 11:49 |
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Thanks Rich,
Your explanation of the usefulness of Layout Managers was excellent, I
didn't know it had that many advantages.
Thanks Jeff,
For both the words on the SpringLayout tool support, and especially for
the null workaround I was looking for.
Thank you both,
-Patrick
"Jeff Myers" <myersj@nospam.us.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:cavrqn$um7$1@eclipse.org...
> Hello wojtek, Patrick,
>
> Designing good tool support for manipulating SpringLayout is a daunting
> task. So far none of the VE team has had the time to give it a shot,
> and it's unlikely that it'll be a priority for the near future. This
> would be an excellent contribution - if someone from the open source
> community would like to work on supporting SpringLayout in the VE.
>
> Patrick, if Rich's response did not convince you of the usefulness of
> layout managers, you can set the layout to null to size and position
> absolutely your components. The customize layout dialog has alignment
> tools to help you size and position your components neatly. Again, it's
> much preferred that you use a layout manager, but just letting you know
> that not using one is an option.
>
> - Jeff
>
> Patrick McMichael wrote:
> > Perhaps this question has been answered earlier, but I am a newbie to VE
and
> > this is my question as well. I would love to know when and if
SpringLayout
> > or a similar type layout manager is planned to be available. Great job
on
> > the VE, btw, excellent work! I could never do something like this, I
know
> > that much!
> >
> > Could anyone explain to me why Java uses layout managers? I know this
is
> > probably not the right forum for this, but someone has to know, right?
To
> > me, they don't seem useful at all, it would be ten times easier just to
give
> > an x and y coordinate at which to place objects (similar to what can be
> > accomplished in the SpringLayout) and to not allow window resizing. I
have
> > spent hours on the Java awt/Swing tutorial website just trying to figure
out
> > if there is an advantage to them, and as of yet have found none.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > -Patrick
> >
> >
> > "Wojciech Jakobczyk" <jesion_list@USUNTO.gazeta.pl> wrote in message
> > news:caspjv$4ln$1@eclipse.org...
> >
> >>hi,
> >>
> >>it seems that it's not supported yet. are there any plans on it?
> >>
> >>wojtek
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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| Re: SpringLayout? [message #592056 is a reply to message #42167] |
Fri, 18 June 2004 16:04 |
| Eclipse User |
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Perhaps this question has been answered earlier, but I am a newbie to VE and
this is my question as well. I would love to know when and if SpringLayout
or a similar type layout manager is planned to be available. Great job on
the VE, btw, excellent work! I could never do something like this, I know
that much!
Could anyone explain to me why Java uses layout managers? I know this is
probably not the right forum for this, but someone has to know, right? To
me, they don't seem useful at all, it would be ten times easier just to give
an x and y coordinate at which to place objects (similar to what can be
accomplished in the SpringLayout) and to not allow window resizing. I have
spent hours on the Java awt/Swing tutorial website just trying to figure out
if there is an advantage to them, and as of yet have found none.
Thanks in advance,
-Patrick
"Wojciech Jakobczyk" <jesion_list@USUNTO.gazeta.pl> wrote in message
news:caspjv$4ln$1@eclipse.org...
> hi,
>
> it seems that it's not supported yet. are there any plans on it?
>
> wojtek
>
>
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| Re: SpringLayout? [message #592073 is a reply to message #42380] |
Fri, 18 June 2004 16:46 |
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Originally posted by: richkulp.NO.SPAM.us.ibm.com
One of the main reasons is to resize. There are many dialogs which I
have cursed royally because they don't allow resizing. They use little
dialogs and have a listbox in it with just a few columns wide, so I got
to keep scrolling just to see the text. If I could resize then I could
getter a wider list box.
Also if I change the font on my system, labels are cutoff. And then I
have no idea what was trying to be said. (And I do make fonts a little
bigger because the default size is too small for me).
That is why you use layout managers. They allow things to fit and
automatically adjust themselves. If you internationalize your
application there is no way for you know how big to make your labels.
Different languages will be different sizes. So if you change languages,
fonts, and size, they will adjust themselves so that you can still see
everything.
--
Thanks, Rich Kulp
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| Re: SpringLayout? [message #592085 is a reply to message #42380] |
Fri, 18 June 2004 18:54 |
| Eclipse User |
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Hello wojtek, Patrick,
Designing good tool support for manipulating SpringLayout is a daunting
task. So far none of the VE team has had the time to give it a shot,
and it's unlikely that it'll be a priority for the near future. This
would be an excellent contribution - if someone from the open source
community would like to work on supporting SpringLayout in the VE.
Patrick, if Rich's response did not convince you of the usefulness of
layout managers, you can set the layout to null to size and position
absolutely your components. The customize layout dialog has alignment
tools to help you size and position your components neatly. Again, it's
much preferred that you use a layout manager, but just letting you know
that not using one is an option.
- Jeff
Patrick McMichael wrote:
> Perhaps this question has been answered earlier, but I am a newbie to VE and
> this is my question as well. I would love to know when and if SpringLayout
> or a similar type layout manager is planned to be available. Great job on
> the VE, btw, excellent work! I could never do something like this, I know
> that much!
>
> Could anyone explain to me why Java uses layout managers? I know this is
> probably not the right forum for this, but someone has to know, right? To
> me, they don't seem useful at all, it would be ten times easier just to give
> an x and y coordinate at which to place objects (similar to what can be
> accomplished in the SpringLayout) and to not allow window resizing. I have
> spent hours on the Java awt/Swing tutorial website just trying to figure out
> if there is an advantage to them, and as of yet have found none.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> -Patrick
>
>
> "Wojciech Jakobczyk" <jesion_list@USUNTO.gazeta.pl> wrote in message
> news:caspjv$4ln$1@eclipse.org...
>
>>hi,
>>
>>it seems that it's not supported yet. are there any plans on it?
>>
>>wojtek
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Re: SpringLayout? [message #592101 is a reply to message #42431] |
Sat, 19 June 2004 11:49 |
| Eclipse User |
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Thanks Rich,
Your explanation of the usefulness of Layout Managers was excellent, I
didn't know it had that many advantages.
Thanks Jeff,
For both the words on the SpringLayout tool support, and especially for
the null workaround I was looking for.
Thank you both,
-Patrick
"Jeff Myers" <myersj@nospam.us.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:cavrqn$um7$1@eclipse.org...
> Hello wojtek, Patrick,
>
> Designing good tool support for manipulating SpringLayout is a daunting
> task. So far none of the VE team has had the time to give it a shot,
> and it's unlikely that it'll be a priority for the near future. This
> would be an excellent contribution - if someone from the open source
> community would like to work on supporting SpringLayout in the VE.
>
> Patrick, if Rich's response did not convince you of the usefulness of
> layout managers, you can set the layout to null to size and position
> absolutely your components. The customize layout dialog has alignment
> tools to help you size and position your components neatly. Again, it's
> much preferred that you use a layout manager, but just letting you know
> that not using one is an option.
>
> - Jeff
>
> Patrick McMichael wrote:
> > Perhaps this question has been answered earlier, but I am a newbie to VE
and
> > this is my question as well. I would love to know when and if
SpringLayout
> > or a similar type layout manager is planned to be available. Great job
on
> > the VE, btw, excellent work! I could never do something like this, I
know
> > that much!
> >
> > Could anyone explain to me why Java uses layout managers? I know this
is
> > probably not the right forum for this, but someone has to know, right?
To
> > me, they don't seem useful at all, it would be ten times easier just to
give
> > an x and y coordinate at which to place objects (similar to what can be
> > accomplished in the SpringLayout) and to not allow window resizing. I
have
> > spent hours on the Java awt/Swing tutorial website just trying to figure
out
> > if there is an advantage to them, and as of yet have found none.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > -Patrick
> >
> >
> > "Wojciech Jakobczyk" <jesion_list@USUNTO.gazeta.pl> wrote in message
> > news:caspjv$4ln$1@eclipse.org...
> >
> >>hi,
> >>
> >>it seems that it's not supported yet. are there any plans on it?
> >>
> >>wojtek
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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