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| MVC Frameworks.. [message #3467] |
Sat, 14 June 2003 00:52  |
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No doubt Struts will be supported in this set of web tools someplace. I am
the author of Theseus (http://www.brainopolis.com/theseus/index.html).
Theseus is something I spun off from the early Struts days because I felt
Struts was getting way too bloated for my tastes. I tried to get a few ideas
into Struts but it was going down a different avenue than I was. Theseus is
my "tiny" attempt at an MVC framework and as it turns out, several
developers are using it in high-end productino sites. It isn't nearly as
robust as Struts, plus the last time I worked on it was over a year ago,
when JSP 1.1 was king (or was it longer than that already??!!). Anyway, I am
considering open-sourcing Theseus very soon, and would be happy to start
updating it and working on getting it in as part of a "simple" MVC
framework. I don't know if this would entail a plugin or two, or just some
ability to add it to the Web tools in some other manner. I want to add an
event system and JSTL support, along with update it to handle the various
Servlet 2.3/3.0 events, filters, etc. The page above is an old link. I had
it up for a book I worked on, but since Wrox is no longer around (that I
know of), I didn't pay to renew the www.theseus.org domain. Let me know if
this is of interest. Struts is great, but sometimes you may want something a
bit smaller, faster and simpler to use.
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| Re: MVC Frameworks.. [message #3535 is a reply to message #3467] |
Sun, 15 June 2003 13:07  |
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-1. Struts has somuch support from open source community. I myself think
it is not worthwhile to start another light weight one.
-Dan
"Kevin" <supreme_java_guru_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bce9rg$fdg$1@rogue.oti.com...
> No doubt Struts will be supported in this set of web tools someplace. I am
> the author of Theseus (http://www.brainopolis.com/theseus/index.html).
> Theseus is something I spun off from the early Struts days because I felt
> Struts was getting way too bloated for my tastes. I tried to get a few
ideas
> into Struts but it was going down a different avenue than I was. Theseus
is
> my "tiny" attempt at an MVC framework and as it turns out, several
> developers are using it in high-end productino sites. It isn't nearly as
> robust as Struts, plus the last time I worked on it was over a year ago,
> when JSP 1.1 was king (or was it longer than that already??!!). Anyway, I
am
> considering open-sourcing Theseus very soon, and would be happy to start
> updating it and working on getting it in as part of a "simple" MVC
> framework. I don't know if this would entail a plugin or two, or just some
> ability to add it to the Web tools in some other manner. I want to add an
> event system and JSTL support, along with update it to handle the various
> Servlet 2.3/3.0 events, filters, etc. The page above is an old link. I had
> it up for a book I worked on, but since Wrox is no longer around (that I
> know of), I didn't pay to renew the www.theseus.org domain. Let me know if
> this is of interest. Struts is great, but sometimes you may want something
a
> bit smaller, faster and simpler to use.
>
>
>
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| Re: MVC Frameworks.. [message #3568 is a reply to message #3535] |
Sun, 15 June 2003 15:53 |
| Eclipse User |
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It isn't about the support that I was referring to. It is about the bloat
and complexity. Eclipse is built on SWT, yet another widget set when Swing
was already available. J2EE has many implementations, so I am not quite sure
I understand why you would feel Struts should be the only supported MVC
framework in a web tools IDE? My framework is very simple, small, yet
acheives the same goals to a lesser degree. Choice is a good thing. Struts
is well supported, yes, but why be limited to a single choice? Regardless, I
am not talking about supporting Theseus over Struts, I was thinking more
along the lines of having support for Theseus, Struts, and other MVC
frameworks in the tools so that developers that might be using Theseus would
have support for it in the IDE, not to support/build upon the framework
itself.
"Dan Tran" <danttran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bci93n$l27$1@rogue.oti.com...
> -1. Struts has somuch support from open source community. I myself think
> it is not worthwhile to start another light weight one.
>
> -Dan
>
> "Kevin" <supreme_java_guru_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bce9rg$fdg$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > No doubt Struts will be supported in this set of web tools someplace. I
am
> > the author of Theseus (http://www.brainopolis.com/theseus/index.html).
> > Theseus is something I spun off from the early Struts days because I
felt
> > Struts was getting way too bloated for my tastes. I tried to get a few
> ideas
> > into Struts but it was going down a different avenue than I was. Theseus
> is
> > my "tiny" attempt at an MVC framework and as it turns out, several
> > developers are using it in high-end productino sites. It isn't nearly as
> > robust as Struts, plus the last time I worked on it was over a year ago,
> > when JSP 1.1 was king (or was it longer than that already??!!). Anyway,
I
> am
> > considering open-sourcing Theseus very soon, and would be happy to start
> > updating it and working on getting it in as part of a "simple" MVC
> > framework. I don't know if this would entail a plugin or two, or just
some
> > ability to add it to the Web tools in some other manner. I want to add
an
> > event system and JSTL support, along with update it to handle the
various
> > Servlet 2.3/3.0 events, filters, etc. The page above is an old link. I
had
> > it up for a book I worked on, but since Wrox is no longer around (that I
> > know of), I didn't pay to renew the www.theseus.org domain. Let me know
if
> > this is of interest. Struts is great, but sometimes you may want
something
> a
> > bit smaller, faster and simpler to use.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: MVC Frameworks.. [message #3601 is a reply to message #3568] |
Sun, 15 June 2003 17:44 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: mail.phase.ws
I think we should stick to things that are Standards at this point. Build
the base needs that we have as developers working with J2EE
(Servlet/JSP/Filters/JSF/etc...). Let the struts , thesus, webworks, etc...
people develop their own productivity plugins. Personally, I think we should
avoid those types of plugins. I do believe that the goal of the project is
to provide a BASE from which to build other productivity tools. The goal is
NOT a solution for everybodies Model2/MVC permutation. If we do decide to go
with some Model2/MVC direct support, then we should go with that which is
more widely accepted as a defacto standard. Whether you like it or not
Struts holds that position. Like I said earlier, we should focus on the
basics right now. We have some fairly sizeable tasks ahead just trying to
create Container support and Standard J2EE support. Let's not get into
debates about which model2 we will support.
Brandon Goodin
"Kevin" <supreme_java_guru_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bcij1n$q44$1@rogue.oti.com...
> It isn't about the support that I was referring to. It is about the bloat
> and complexity. Eclipse is built on SWT, yet another widget set when Swing
> was already available. J2EE has many implementations, so I am not quite
sure
> I understand why you would feel Struts should be the only supported MVC
> framework in a web tools IDE? My framework is very simple, small, yet
> acheives the same goals to a lesser degree. Choice is a good thing. Struts
> is well supported, yes, but why be limited to a single choice? Regardless,
I
> am not talking about supporting Theseus over Struts, I was thinking more
> along the lines of having support for Theseus, Struts, and other MVC
> frameworks in the tools so that developers that might be using Theseus
would
> have support for it in the IDE, not to support/build upon the framework
> itself.
>
>
> "Dan Tran" <danttran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bci93n$l27$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > -1. Struts has somuch support from open source community. I myself
think
> > it is not worthwhile to start another light weight one.
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> > "Kevin" <supreme_java_guru_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:bce9rg$fdg$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > > No doubt Struts will be supported in this set of web tools someplace.
I
> am
> > > the author of Theseus (http://www.brainopolis.com/theseus/index.html).
> > > Theseus is something I spun off from the early Struts days because I
> felt
> > > Struts was getting way too bloated for my tastes. I tried to get a few
> > ideas
> > > into Struts but it was going down a different avenue than I was.
Theseus
> > is
> > > my "tiny" attempt at an MVC framework and as it turns out, several
> > > developers are using it in high-end productino sites. It isn't nearly
as
> > > robust as Struts, plus the last time I worked on it was over a year
ago,
> > > when JSP 1.1 was king (or was it longer than that already??!!).
Anyway,
> I
> > am
> > > considering open-sourcing Theseus very soon, and would be happy to
start
> > > updating it and working on getting it in as part of a "simple" MVC
> > > framework. I don't know if this would entail a plugin or two, or just
> some
> > > ability to add it to the Web tools in some other manner. I want to add
> an
> > > event system and JSTL support, along with update it to handle the
> various
> > > Servlet 2.3/3.0 events, filters, etc. The page above is an old link. I
> had
> > > it up for a book I worked on, but since Wrox is no longer around (that
I
> > > know of), I didn't pay to renew the www.theseus.org domain. Let me
know
> if
> > > this is of interest. Struts is great, but sometimes you may want
> something
> > a
> > > bit smaller, faster and simpler to use.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: MVC Frameworks.. [message #3633 is a reply to message #3568] |
Sun, 15 June 2003 22:24 |
| Eclipse User |
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Kevin, If you can provide something that Struts cannot, by all means do it
;-).
-Dan
"Kevin" <supreme_java_guru_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bcij1n$q44$1@rogue.oti.com...
> It isn't about the support that I was referring to. It is about the bloat
> and complexity. Eclipse is built on SWT, yet another widget set when Swing
> was already available. J2EE has many implementations, so I am not quite
sure
> I understand why you would feel Struts should be the only supported MVC
> framework in a web tools IDE? My framework is very simple, small, yet
> acheives the same goals to a lesser degree. Choice is a good thing. Struts
> is well supported, yes, but why be limited to a single choice? Regardless,
I
> am not talking about supporting Theseus over Struts, I was thinking more
> along the lines of having support for Theseus, Struts, and other MVC
> frameworks in the tools so that developers that might be using Theseus
would
> have support for it in the IDE, not to support/build upon the framework
> itself.
>
>
> "Dan Tran" <danttran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bci93n$l27$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > -1. Struts has somuch support from open source community. I myself
think
> > it is not worthwhile to start another light weight one.
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> > "Kevin" <supreme_java_guru_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:bce9rg$fdg$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > > No doubt Struts will be supported in this set of web tools someplace.
I
> am
> > > the author of Theseus (http://www.brainopolis.com/theseus/index.html).
> > > Theseus is something I spun off from the early Struts days because I
> felt
> > > Struts was getting way too bloated for my tastes. I tried to get a few
> > ideas
> > > into Struts but it was going down a different avenue than I was.
Theseus
> > is
> > > my "tiny" attempt at an MVC framework and as it turns out, several
> > > developers are using it in high-end productino sites. It isn't nearly
as
> > > robust as Struts, plus the last time I worked on it was over a year
ago,
> > > when JSP 1.1 was king (or was it longer than that already??!!).
Anyway,
> I
> > am
> > > considering open-sourcing Theseus very soon, and would be happy to
start
> > > updating it and working on getting it in as part of a "simple" MVC
> > > framework. I don't know if this would entail a plugin or two, or just
> some
> > > ability to add it to the Web tools in some other manner. I want to add
> an
> > > event system and JSTL support, along with update it to handle the
> various
> > > Servlet 2.3/3.0 events, filters, etc. The page above is an old link. I
> had
> > > it up for a book I worked on, but since Wrox is no longer around (that
I
> > > know of), I didn't pay to renew the www.theseus.org domain. Let me
know
> if
> > > this is of interest. Struts is great, but sometimes you may want
> something
> > a
> > > bit smaller, faster and simpler to use.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: MVC Frameworks.. [message #3728 is a reply to message #3633] |
Mon, 16 June 2003 11:12 |
| Eclipse User |
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Absolutely. Ease of us. Speed. Does the job. :D
I suppose I agree with Brandon, let's not build web tools around MVC
frameworks, and I also agree that I should be the one to develop a plugin
for it when the time is right.
"Dan Tran" <danttran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bcj9p4$5r9$1@rogue.oti.com...
> Kevin, If you can provide something that Struts cannot, by all means do it
> ;-).
>
> -Dan
>
> "Kevin" <supreme_java_guru_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bcij1n$q44$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > It isn't about the support that I was referring to. It is about the
bloat
> > and complexity. Eclipse is built on SWT, yet another widget set when
Swing
> > was already available. J2EE has many implementations, so I am not quite
> sure
> > I understand why you would feel Struts should be the only supported MVC
> > framework in a web tools IDE? My framework is very simple, small, yet
> > acheives the same goals to a lesser degree. Choice is a good thing.
Struts
> > is well supported, yes, but why be limited to a single choice?
Regardless,
> I
> > am not talking about supporting Theseus over Struts, I was thinking more
> > along the lines of having support for Theseus, Struts, and other MVC
> > frameworks in the tools so that developers that might be using Theseus
> would
> > have support for it in the IDE, not to support/build upon the framework
> > itself.
> >
> >
> > "Dan Tran" <danttran@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:bci93n$l27$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > > -1. Struts has somuch support from open source community. I myself
> think
> > > it is not worthwhile to start another light weight one.
> > >
> > > -Dan
> > >
> > > "Kevin" <supreme_java_guru_1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bce9rg$fdg$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > > > No doubt Struts will be supported in this set of web tools
someplace.
> I
> > am
> > > > the author of Theseus
(http://www.brainopolis.com/theseus/index.html).
> > > > Theseus is something I spun off from the early Struts days because I
> > felt
> > > > Struts was getting way too bloated for my tastes. I tried to get a
few
> > > ideas
> > > > into Struts but it was going down a different avenue than I was.
> Theseus
> > > is
> > > > my "tiny" attempt at an MVC framework and as it turns out, several
> > > > developers are using it in high-end productino sites. It isn't
nearly
> as
> > > > robust as Struts, plus the last time I worked on it was over a year
> ago,
> > > > when JSP 1.1 was king (or was it longer than that already??!!).
> Anyway,
> > I
> > > am
> > > > considering open-sourcing Theseus very soon, and would be happy to
> start
> > > > updating it and working on getting it in as part of a "simple" MVC
> > > > framework. I don't know if this would entail a plugin or two, or
just
> > some
> > > > ability to add it to the Web tools in some other manner. I want to
add
> > an
> > > > event system and JSTL support, along with update it to handle the
> > various
> > > > Servlet 2.3/3.0 events, filters, etc. The page above is an old link.
I
> > had
> > > > it up for a book I worked on, but since Wrox is no longer around
(that
> I
> > > > know of), I didn't pay to renew the www.theseus.org domain. Let me
> know
> > if
> > > > this is of interest. Struts is great, but sometimes you may want
> > something
> > > a
> > > > bit smaller, faster and simpler to use.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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