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The future of Xtend ? [message #1818040]

Wed, 04 December 2019 11:28

Eclipse User

Hi all,

Apologies if I'm double posting - I tried a few searches and couldn't find what I was looking for.

I was surprised to discover in the Xtext/Xtend 2.20 release notes that Xtend development is being slowed down, and unless I'm mistaken, I caught the feeling that it might end up becoming unsupported in future releases. My project makes heavy use of Xtend, so that news raised a few questions that I hope the folks here might be able to answer.

1. Should we expect Xtend to be entirely phased out in the future? Or is it planned to keep being supported but without new features?

2. The release notes suggest that a lot of Xtend can be achieved with Java 10. [How] Can the following Xtend features be achieved with Java 10 as the release notes seem to suggest?

a. "extension" variables and fields
b. "import static extension"
c. handy operations on Iterable which are cumbersome on Streams

Xtend                       -> Java (approximately)
iterable.findFirst[lambda]  -> iterable.stream().filter(lambda).findFirst().orElse(null)
iterable.join(string)       -> iterable.stream().collect(Collectors.joining(string))

Please correct me if I'm not using streams in the best way :)

d. template strings with smart whitespace/indentation handling

Thanks!

Re: The future of Xtend ? [message #1818042 is a reply to message #1818040]

Wed, 04 December 2019 11:37

Eclipse User

(1) depends on what explodes in new Versions of Platform/JDT (Xbase/Xtend use a lot of internal API) and ASM. we also might not be able to support new Java Versions at some point.
the community and interesting parties have always the possibility to contribute and we invited to do so but the number of people doing this in the past was quite low.
but there are currently no concrete plans to totally ditch it.

(2) no there are a few things java cannot do right now
that are
- extensions
- rich string
- active annotations.

if you can live with the non extension / inverted syntax you can use xbases findFirst also from java.

[Updated on: Wed, 04 December 2019 11:46] by Moderator

Re: The future of Xtend ? [message #1818043 is a reply to message #1818042]

Wed, 04 December 2019 11:47

Eclipse User

Hi Christian,

Thank you for the answers.

Christian Dietrich wrote on Wed, 04 December 2019 16:37

(1) depends on that explodes in new Versions of Platform/JDT (Xbase/Xtend use a lot of internal API) and ASM. we also might not be able to support new Java Versions at some point.
the community and interesting parties have always the possibility to contribute and we invited to do so but the number of people doing this in the past was quite low.
but there are currently no concrete plans to totally ditch it.

That's too bad... But I completely understand. You can't work miracles without resources.

Christian Dietrich wrote on Wed, 04 December 2019 16:37

(2) no there are a few things java cannot do right now
that are
- extensions
- rich string
- active annotations.

if you can live with the non extension / inverted syntax you can use xbases findFirst also from java.

Right. But I really really like the extension notation. I feel like that's the core feature that, if it existed in Java, would greatly improve the use of Streams since we'd be able to reuse Xbase's libraries...

We'll see how things pan out in the future. Hopefully stakeholders (such as myself) might make time to invest effort in Xtend development once they get cornered :)

Cheers!

--
Elie

Re: The future of Xtend ? [message #1818863 is a reply to message #1818043]

Tue, 31 December 2019 00:27

Eclipse User

As a newcomer to Xtext (well, the second time I try to get into it), it would be nice not to have to worry about Xtend when trying to learn the basics of Xtext. What I mean is that there is sample code written in Xtend in the documentation when the same could likely be achievable in Java and it just adds more to the amount of things to get familiar with, i.e. mwe2, Google Guice, EMF, etc on top of the actual Xtext concepts, APIs, extension points.

Re: The future of Xtend ? [message #1818866 is a reply to message #1818863]

Tue, 31 December 2019 01:30

Eclipse User

Hi

It is not necessary for users to be aware of Xtend to use Xtext. The OCL and QVTd editors demonstrate this; perhaps because they haven't tracked all the recent changes. OCL and QVTd tooling do however use Xtend, but only for distinct M2T purposes.

Regards

Ed Willink

Re: The future of Xtend ? [message #1818871 is a reply to message #1818866]

Tue, 31 December 2019 03:54

Eclipse User

As of now with Xtext 2.20 the wizard should create Java Code with a few exceptions like generator, formatter and tests.
This should also be reflected in the examples and documentation

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