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Unable to update to latest plugins, due to JDT plugin problem [message #1808692] Fri, 28 June 2019 12:27 Go to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
I have Eclipse 2019-06 installed on my Win7 laptop and a Linux VM. The configurations are similar. I recently tried to update plugins in both installations and got different errors. The Win7 issue is related to m2e, and I've posted about that to the m2e mailing list. On my Linux VM, I'm seeing the following in the "Details" panel of the update dialog:
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"Eclipse Java Development Tools" cannot be fully uninstalled because other installed software requires it. The parts that are not required will be uninstalled.
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This is the list of plugins that updates are available for:
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Eclipse Groovy Development Tools 3.4.0.v201906240216-e1906
Eclipse JDT Core patch for Groovy 3.4.0.v201906240216-e1906
Groovy-Eclipse M2E integration 3.4.0.v201906240216-e1906
m2e - Maven Integration for Eclipse (includes Incubating components) 1.12.0.20190612-1550
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In the list in the dialog, I see an entry for "Eclipse Java Development Tools" with a red X on it.

This is my list of update sites from preferences:
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http://download.eclipse.org/releases/2019-06
http://download.eclipse.org/releases/2019-06/201906191000
https://ecd-plugin.github.io/update/
http://download.eclipse.org/mpc/releases/1.7.6
http://download.eclipse.org/releases/latest
http://download.eclipse.org/linuxtools/update-docker
http://download.eclipse.org/oomph/updates/milestone/latest
https://dist.springsource.org/snapshot/GRECLIPSE/e4.12
https://moreunit.github.io/eclipse-update-site/
https://download.springsource.com/release/TOOLS/sts4/update/e4.12/
https://download.springsource.com/release/TOOLS/sts4-language-servers/e4.8
http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/4.12
http://download.eclipse.org/usssdk/updates/release/latest
http://download.eclipse.org/technology/epp/packages/2019-06
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Re: Unable to update to latest plugins, due to JDT plugin problem [message #1808693 is a reply to message #1808692] Fri, 28 June 2019 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
There's not really a question here...

Perhaps you'd be better off at some point to define your own Oomph setup that automates all the manual tasks that you must have done to install the various things I see in your list. That way you could create a new fresh installation at any time exactly the same way on all machines/platforms.

https://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse_Oomph_Authoring
Re: Unable to update to latest plugins, due to JDT plugin problem [message #1808695 is a reply to message #1808693] Fri, 28 June 2019 13:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Sorry, I would have thought the question is obvious. How do I complete this update?

I had no trouble installing all those plugins. My Eclipse has been working fine since I installed 2019-06 and installed my usual set of plugins. I only tried to do this update today and saw these errors. I would guess that an Oomph configuration would just automate what I've already done, so how would I know what the problem is?
Re: Unable to update to latest plugins, due to JDT plugin problem [message #1808696 is a reply to message #1808695] Fri, 28 June 2019 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
How would anyone know what the problem might be without reproducing exactly the scenario you outline. I would need to add all those update sites to my preferences, I would need to have installed whatever you installed before; keep in mind that there's no way for anyone else to know what you've installed before because you've not spelled that out, nor would be be able to create the historical state from which you installed those things. Then we'd need to try to do the update to see what failed exactly the same way as your are seeing it. At that point we'd have no more details about the failure than you currently have, which is pretty sparse, right?

On the other hand, if you had an Oomph setup, you could share it and ask, why doesn't this combination of things install successfully? No only that, if you had such a things, the p2 "explainer" would produce a detailed trace of what couldn't be installed and why it couldn't be installed and with that information you might be able to figure it out yourself, or at the very least, someone like me could explain what's gone wrong.

Who do you expect would will spend an hour to try to reproduce your problem?
Re: Unable to update to latest plugins, due to JDT plugin problem [message #1808697 is a reply to message #1808696] Fri, 28 June 2019 13:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Ed Merks wrote on Fri, 28 June 2019 10:45
How would anyone know what the problem might be without reproducing exactly the scenario you outline. I would need to add all those update sites to my preferences, I would need to have installed whatever you installed before; keep in mind that there's no way for anyone else to know what you've installed before because you've not spelled that out, nor would be be able to create the historical state from which you installed those things. Then we'd need to try to do the update to see what failed exactly the same way as your are seeing it. At that point we'd have no more details about the failure than you currently have, which is pretty sparse, right?

On the other hand, if you had an Oomph setup, you could share it and ask, why doesn't this combination of things install successfully? No only that, if you had such a things, the p2 "explainer" would produce a detailed trace of what couldn't be installed and why it couldn't be installed and with that information you might be able to figure it out yourself, or at the very least, someone like me could explain what's gone wrong.

Who do you expect would will spend an hour to try to reproduce your problem?


Well, that's certainly a good question, but the problem here is that this happens to a lot of people, most of whom don't bother to post questions about it. I suppose they either hobble along with what they have, or they blow everything away and reinstall Eclipse and their plugins. I imagine that's what I'm going to be doing.
Re: Unable to update to latest plugins, due to JDT plugin problem [message #1808700 is a reply to message #1808697] Fri, 28 June 2019 14:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
If you had an Oomph setup, I would spend the hour to figure out what's wrong. Thought I'd probably only need to spend five minutes. I'd do that to figure out if there's really something wrong that JDT could actually address or if you've just installed other things with very narrow JDT dependencies that don't permit JDT itself to be updated. That would be my guess, but with the trace from the "explainer" I wouldn't need to guess.

Eclipse is a huge ecosystem. Any misbehaving or poorly implemented add-on can cause problems, including update problems, but to the general community those are just look like "Eclipse" problems...
Re: Unable to update to latest plugins, due to JDT plugin problem [message #1808715 is a reply to message #1808700] Sat, 29 June 2019 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
I totally agree with Ed,
still one hint: updating in the presence of a patch like "Eclipse JDT Core patch for Groovy 3.4.0.v201906240216-e1906" is always a "challenge". Perhaps the spring folks can help more in this regard.
Re: Unable to update to latest plugins, due to JDT plugin problem [message #1808741 is a reply to message #1808715] Mon, 01 July 2019 00:06 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
It might also be the case that the Error log view contains more details about the failure than what is displayed in the UI.
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