Re: [dtp-dev] [tools-pmc] DTP committer election failed: only 1 out of 3

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Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:50 PM

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Doug Schaefer

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Nick Boldt; Brian Payton; Tools PMC mailing list; Jean-Francois Maury; DTP development mailing list

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Re: RE: [tools-pmc] DTP committer election failed: only 1 out of 3 committers voted.

Per the EDP:

The election process begins with an existing Committer on the same Project nominating the Contributor. The Project’s Committers will vote for a period of no less than one week. If there are at least three (3) positive votes and no negative votes within the voting period, the Contributor is recommended to the Project’s PMC for commit privileges.

If there are three (3) or fewer Committers on the Project, a unanimous positive vote of all Committers is substituted.

If the PMC approves, and the Contributor signs the appropriate Committer legal agreements established by the EMO (wherein, at the very least, the Developer agrees to abide by the Eclipse Intellectual Property Policy), the Contributor becomes a Committer and is given write access to the source code for that Project.

The move to an Eclipse Tools subproject did happen. Apparently, we didn't quite update the project metadata completely. I've fixed it.

Wayne

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:32 PM Doug Schaefer <

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> wrote:

Thanks Wayne,

If Brian hands over leadership to Nick and Nick removes all inactive committers, including Brian, can we then redo the election? It's just not clear how elections works when there are less than three active committers.

Also, was DTP ever moved under tools officially? The PMI says it's still a top level project.

Doug.

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Doug Schaefer

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Subject:

Re: RE: [tools-pmc] DTP committer election failed: only 1 out of 3 committers voted.

I need the PMC to document their decision on an open forum, give sufficient time for the community to respond, and then ask the EMO to make the changes.

I leave the definition of "sufficient time" to the PMC's discretion. IMHO, the discussion in this forum constitutes reasonable documentation of the decision.

HTH,

Wayne

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:04 PM Doug Schaefer <

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That would be easiest. The Tools PMC can reboot the project, but I imagine there's more paperwork for that. Though Wayne would know for sure.

Doug.

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Brian Payton

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Re: RE: [tools-pmc] DTP committer election failed: only 1 out of 3 committers voted.

Brian,

If you're happy to appoint me as lead, so that I can delegate some work to Jeff, please make it so.

Thanks,

Nick

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 2:59 PM Nick Boldt <

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If I resubmit the election, and only get your and my votes, it'll still fail as it needs 3 votes to pass.

But if I'm project lead, then I can simply delegate someone as a committer, right?

Nick

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 9:59 PM Brian Payton <

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> wrote:

Sorry, just saw these emails.

Nick, if you want to restart the committer election, I'll watch for it and vote.

And if you would like to take over as DTP project lead, that would be fine with me. (I really haven't touched anything Eclipse-related for years now.)

Regards,
Brian

Brian Payton
Senior Software Developer
IBM Analytics

Doug Schaefer ---06/12/2019 01:14:41 PM---Thanks Wayne, I know. Just waiting to see Brian's response or a timeout to get triggered. ;) Doug.

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Date:

06/12/2019 01:14 PM

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[EXTERNAL] RE: [tools-pmc] DTP committer election failed: only 1 out of 3 committers voted.

Thanks Wayne, I know. Just waiting to see Brian's response or a timeout to get triggered. ;)

Doug.

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Re: [tools-pmc] DTP committer election failed: only 1 out of 3 committers voted.

FWIW, when a PMC declares a project dysfunctional, they get some pretty broad powers to make whatever changes they'd like to the project team.

The PMC can decide to retire or appoint specific committers or project leads. It's a power that should be used rarely as it circumvents the community process.

So... you don't actually have to retire any committers, or appoint Nick as an interim custodian (you can just appoint Nick's candidate if that makes sense to you). You should also appoint that candidate as a committer while you're at it (one role does not imply the other).

HTH,

Wayne

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 3:47 PM Nick Boldt <

> wrote:

Brian,

I'm trying to elect a colleague into the DataTools project so I can pass on some responsibility to him, as my time to maintain DTP is becoming increasingly stretched thin and his core function depends on DTP continuing to work (mine no longer does).

I submitted an election for Jeff (Jean-Francois) Maury last week, but no one other than myself voted. There are supposedly only 2 active committers in DTP right now (other than myself), but I don't see any commits since 2015 or 2016, suggesting that neither yourself or Yulin are still active.

Could you resubmit the nomination? Or would you like me to take over as project lead?

Thanks in advance,

Nick Boldt

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 2:51 AM Aleksandar Kurtakov <

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On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 11:17 PM Nick Boldt <

> wrote:

Hey, Tools PMC:

I tried to elect a colleague into the DTP project (since he's helping me maintain it) and the other 2 remaining committers on the DTP project failed to vote +1, -1, or 0.

Can you declare the project dysfunctional? I can submit the nomination again if you'd like them to have a second chance to respond.

Did you try to contact the project lead? Please do so and add the PMC list on CC. If we get not reply in 2 weeks and no one else objects on the list I propose that we(the PMC) ask foundation to make you project lead so you can handle retiring inactive people, rerun voting and do the general handling of the project.

Regards,
Alex

Nick

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 2:14 PM Wayne Beaton <

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No. I cannot. The rules require that, in the case of a project with three or fewer committers, that all committers vote.

There are two workarounds:

Have the project lead retire those committers and rerun the election; or
Have the PMC declare the project dysfunctional and request that add/remove committers and project leads.

I'm thinking that we might be leaning towards the later.

Note that Project Lead and Committer are two separate roles. While it generally makes little sense for somebody to be a Project Lead but not a Committer, this is precedent. If you want them to have both roles, they'll need to be elected (or appointed by the PMC if we go the dysfunctional route) to both.

I've cleaned up the bogus PMC relationships. They should disappear from the "who" page shortly.

Wayne

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 10:50 PM Nick Boldt <

https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/tools.datatools/elections/election-jeff-maury-committer-eclipse-data-tools-platform

> wrote:

DTP committer election failed because only 1 of the 3 current committers voted (me).

Can you make some magic happen so he's voted in and the non-voting non-active people are not required to vote in future?

Thanks,

Nick

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