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| Re: GUI Builder for eclipse [message #467519 is a reply to message #467510] |
Sat, 05 May 2007 01:55   |
 Charlie Kelly
Messages: 276
Registered: July 2009 |
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Hi PK,
I think that the coordinated build for all 3.3 projects, including VE,
will be available next month.
If it is not too inconvenient, you might use 3.2 for your visual
components, and 3.3 for everything else. This might not be too bad for
a month.
Charlie
PK wrote:
> Hello,
> I am just getting started building an RCP application. My application
> has viewparts that have a lot of fields etc. I would like to use a gui
> builder to build these views. I am also using Eclipse 3.3M6. I
> basically have only 2 choices: Instantiations: RCP Developer or Jigloo.
> RCP Developer is expensive and does not allow me to keep updating my
> eclipse versions. Having thrown a significant amount of money at them,
> I don't want to be stuck with one version of eclipse only.
>
> The next option is jigloo and i am having issues with selecting gui
> entities. Let's say i want to two nested sash forms. I drop one in
> another and i end up iwth a tool that does not show me a list of the gui
> parts. Nor are the parts visible in eclipse.
>
> VE is not available for Eclipse 3.3. I am so frustrated that I am about
> to drop eclipse and go with .net. Given all the evils of .Net, in the
> face of the eclipse gui builder issues, .Net seems much more friendly.
>
> However, I do not not want to give up before asking for advice from the
> experienced users. I am hoping to get advice that will keep me from
> quitting eclipse.
>
> Thanks,
> PK
>
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| Re: GUI Builder for eclipse [message #467538 is a reply to message #467510] |
Sun, 06 May 2007 02:05 |
Eric Clayberg
Messages: 979
Registered: July 2009
Location: Boston, MA |
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"PK" wrote:
> Hello,
> I am just getting started building an RCP application. My application has
> viewparts that have a lot of fields etc. I would like to use a gui
> builder to build these views. I am also using Eclipse 3.3M6. I basically
> have only 2 choices: Instantiations: RCP Developer or Jigloo.
If all you need is a GUI builder, the SWT Designer portion of RCP Developer
is available for $199 by itself. SWT Designer is the *only* Eclipse GUI
builder that can handle every aspect of Eclipse RCP GUI development.
> RCP Developer is expensive
I guess that depends on your point of view and what you are actually trying
to do. RCP Developer includes not only SWT Designer, but WindowTester, RCP
Packager, RCP Installer, and Help Composer. If all you need is SWT Designer,
then RCP Developer is expensive. If you need all of the other pieces, it is
very inexpensive.
> and does not allow me to keep updating my eclipse versions.
That is not true.
> Having thrown a significant amount of money at them, I don't want to be
> stuck with one version of eclipse only.
SWT Designer supports Eclipse 2.1, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 and 3.3 (including the new
M7 build just released).
That is a lot more than "one version of Eclipse only".
-Eric Clayberg
Sr. Vice President of Product Development
Instantiations, Inc.
http://www.instantiations.com
http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/
Author: "Eclipse: Building Commercial Quality Plug-ins"
http://www.awprofessional.com/title/0321228472
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| Re: GUI Builder for eclipse [message #467549 is a reply to message #467538] |
Sun, 06 May 2007 20:53 |
PK Mising name
Messages: 44
Registered: July 2009 |
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Eric,
The part about not being able to upgrade eclipse was the result of emails
i exchanged with instantiations sales. I asked the question because,
after paying $600 and a new version of eclipse comes out, I wanted to know
my upgrade path. Your sales guy said, generally speaking I would need a
new version of rcp developer.
Using SWT developer will i able to develop view and editor parts for an
rcp application. I dont need the other parts of the rcp developer. I am
only interested in being able to design the rcp parts like view parts,
editor parts, wizards, forms, etc.
Any recommedations?
PK
Eric Clayberg wrote:
> "PK" wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I am just getting started building an RCP application. My application has
>> viewparts that have a lot of fields etc. I would like to use a gui
>> builder to build these views. I am also using Eclipse 3.3M6. I basically
>> have only 2 choices: Instantiations: RCP Developer or Jigloo.
> If all you need is a GUI builder, the SWT Designer portion of RCP Developer
> is available for $199 by itself. SWT Designer is the *only* Eclipse GUI
> builder that can handle every aspect of Eclipse RCP GUI development.
>> RCP Developer is expensive
> I guess that depends on your point of view and what you are actually trying
> to do. RCP Developer includes not only SWT Designer, but WindowTester, RCP
> Packager, RCP Installer, and Help Composer. If all you need is SWT Designer,
> then RCP Developer is expensive. If you need all of the other pieces, it is
> very inexpensive.
>> and does not allow me to keep updating my eclipse versions.
> That is not true.
>> Having thrown a significant amount of money at them, I don't want to be
>> stuck with one version of eclipse only.
> SWT Designer supports Eclipse 2.1, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 and 3.3 (including the new
> M7 build just released).
> That is a lot more than "one version of Eclipse only".
> -Eric Clayberg
> Sr. Vice President of Product Development
> Instantiations, Inc.
> http://www.instantiations.com
> http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/
> Author: "Eclipse: Building Commercial Quality Plug-ins"
> http://www.awprofessional.com/title/0321228472
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| Re: GUI Builder for eclipse [message #467560 is a reply to message #467549] |
Mon, 07 May 2007 12:22 |
James Leotta
Messages: 202
Registered: July 2009 |
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I am using SWT Developer for the past two years and yes you can design
all the parts of an RCP application that you stated. It works great!
PK wrote:
> Eric,
> The part about not being able to upgrade eclipse was the result of
> emails i exchanged with instantiations sales. I asked the question
> because, after paying $600 and a new version of eclipse comes out, I
> wanted to know my upgrade path. Your sales guy said, generally speaking
> I would need a new version of rcp developer.
>
> Using SWT developer will i able to develop view and editor parts for an
> rcp application. I dont need the other parts of the rcp developer. I
> am only interested in being able to design the rcp parts like view
> parts, editor parts, wizards, forms, etc.
>
> Any recommedations?
>
> PK
>
>
> Eric Clayberg wrote:
>
>> "PK" wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I am just getting started building an RCP application. My
>>> application has viewparts that have a lot of fields etc. I would
>>> like to use a gui builder to build these views. I am also using
>>> Eclipse 3.3M6. I basically have only 2 choices: Instantiations: RCP
>>> Developer or Jigloo.
>
>> If all you need is a GUI builder, the SWT Designer portion of RCP
>> Developer is available for $199 by itself. SWT Designer is the *only*
>> Eclipse GUI builder that can handle every aspect of Eclipse RCP GUI
>> development.
>
>>> RCP Developer is expensive
>
>> I guess that depends on your point of view and what you are actually
>> trying to do. RCP Developer includes not only SWT Designer, but
>> WindowTester, RCP Packager, RCP Installer, and Help Composer. If all
>> you need is SWT Designer, then RCP Developer is expensive. If you need
>> all of the other pieces, it is very inexpensive.
>
>>> and does not allow me to keep updating my eclipse versions.
>
>> That is not true.
>
>>> Having thrown a significant amount of money at them, I don't want to
>>> be stuck with one version of eclipse only.
>
>> SWT Designer supports Eclipse 2.1, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 and 3.3 (including
>> the new M7 build just released).
>
>> That is a lot more than "one version of Eclipse only".
>
>> -Eric Clayberg
>> Sr. Vice President of Product Development
>> Instantiations, Inc.
>> http://www.instantiations.com
>> http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/
>
>> Author: "Eclipse: Building Commercial Quality Plug-ins"
>> http://www.awprofessional.com/title/0321228472
>
>
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| Re: GUI Builder for eclipse [message #467568 is a reply to message #467521] |
Mon, 07 May 2007 14:37 |
Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: lamont_gilbert.rigidsoftware.com
On Sat, 05 May 2007 02:09:38 +0000, PK wrote:
> Charlie,
> Thanks for responding. I hvae read that the funding for VE has been
> stopped and might not be available for 3.3. Are you sure that VE will be
> available for 3.3? Is there someplace I can confirm this?
>
> I might even start contributing to the VE project if they come out with a
> version for 3.3.
>
> Thanks,
> PK
Development with VE is supported on 3.2 and not 3.3, but I don't think
this implies GUI developed with VE will not work on 3.3.
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| Re: GUI Builder for eclipse [message #467574 is a reply to message #467549] |
Mon, 07 May 2007 20:04 |
Eric Clayberg
Messages: 979
Registered: July 2009
Location: Boston, MA |
Senior Member |
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"PK" wrote:
> Eric,
> The part about not being able to upgrade eclipse was the result of emails
> i exchanged with instantiations sales. I asked the question because,
> after paying $600 and a new version of eclipse comes out, I wanted to know
> my upgrade path. Your sales guy said, generally speaking I would need a
> new version of rcp developer.
Generally speaking, a new version would be required for just about *any*
plugin whenever a new version of Eclipse comes out. That doesn't mean,
however, that you need to pay extra for that. We have never charged for
product upgrades. As long as your support is current, you get access to all
updates - both major and minor - during your suppor period (renewably on a
yearly basis).
> Using SWT developer will i able to develop view and editor parts for an
> rcp application. I dont need the other parts of the rcp developer. I am
> only interested in being able to design the rcp parts like view parts,
> editor parts, wizards, forms, etc.
Yes. All you would need is SWT Designer.
-Eric Clayberg
Sr. Vice President of Product Development
Instantiations, Inc.
http://www.instantiations.com
http://www.windowbuilderpro.com/
Author: "Eclipse: Building Commercial Quality Plug-ins"
http://www.awprofessional.com/title/0321228472
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