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Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #14571] Thu, 03 July 2008 13:31 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: godeau_nosp.m_alma.fr

Hello,

When I put language plugins from Babel project into my RCP target
(version 3.4), they are not taken in my application build. The platform
part of the application is not localized.

I must copy the language plug-ins by hand after the build, to get the
app translated.

What did I get wrong please?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #14807 is a reply to message #14571] Thu, 10 July 2008 06:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: godeau_nosp.m_alma.fr

Hi again,

I wonder, does anyone really use babel translations?
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #14837 is a reply to message #14807] Thu, 10 July 2008 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 4cs6fcg02.sneakemail.com

Patrick Godeau schreef:
> Hi again,
>
> I wonder, does anyone really use babel translations?

I do, but only as developer (by that I mean: I use Eclipse as developer
only), and the flashing splash screen pops up from time to time, so it
isn’t really usable yet.

H.
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Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #16514 is a reply to message #14837] Thu, 17 July 2008 15:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: godeau_nosp.m_alma.fr

Le 10/07/2008 09:09, Hendrik Maryns a écrit :
> Patrick Godeau schreef:
>> Hi again,
>>
>> I wonder, does anyone really use babel translations?
>
> I do, but only as developer (by that I mean: I use Eclipse as developer
> only), and the flashing splash screen pops up from time to time, so it
> isn’t really usable yet.

That's what I feared: Babel translations are not usable for RCP development.

I'd like to help, but how? I already submitted some french translations,
but the problem is in the packaging: if there were usable language
packs, even with incomplete translations, I'm sure that there would be
much more translation contributions.

--
Patrick
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #16531 is a reply to message #16514] Thu, 17 July 2008 18:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Patrick Godeau wrote:
> Le 10/07/2008 09:09, Hendrik Maryns a écrit :
>> Patrick Godeau schreef:
>>> Hi again,
>>>
>>> I wonder, does anyone really use babel translations?
>>
>> I do, but only as developer (by that I mean: I use Eclipse as
>> developer only), and the flashing splash screen pops up from time to
>> time, so it isn’t really usable yet.
>
> That's what I feared: Babel translations are not usable for RCP
> development.
>
> I'd like to help, but how? I already submitted some french translations,
> but the problem is in the packaging: if there were usable language
> packs, even with incomplete translations, I'm sure that there would be
> much more translation contributions.

It's not clear to me what the problem is yet, so I'm at a loss to know
how to fix it.

The code that builds the update site is here. Have a look:
http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.babel/s erver/classes/export/generate1.php?root=Technology_Project&a mp;view=log

Denis



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Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #16548 is a reply to message #16531] Mon, 21 July 2008 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: godeau_nosp.m_alma.fr

Le 17/07/2008 20:06, Denis Roy a écrit :
> Patrick Godeau wrote:
>> That's what I feared: Babel translations are not usable for RCP
>> development.
>>
>> I'd like to help, but how? I already submitted some french
>> translations, but the problem is in the packaging: if there were
>> usable language packs, even with incomplete translations, I'm sure
>> that there would be much more translation contributions.
>
> It's not clear to me what the problem is yet, so I'm at a loss to know
> how to fix it.
>
> The code that builds the update site is here. Have a look:
> http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.babel/s erver/classes/export/generate1.php?root=Technology_Project&a mp;view=log
>

Hi Denis,

The problem is that there are no Babel language packs available for
download, contrary to what is said on the download page.

There are only update sites, for adding translations from an update
manager inside Eclipse IDE. But this is not what we need for building
translated RCP applications. (Incidentally, even these update sites
break the IDE, as noted on previous threads.)

It is possible to download NL plug-ins from the nightly build update
site with some fiddling (this require to bypass robots.txt, I use "wget
-erobots=off") but this is not acceptable for the average developer.
I also had to write a Python script to get NL plug-ins for all wanted
languages.

Will it be possible to have language packs as specified here:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Babel_/_Server_Tool_Specification#Ou tputs

Thanks in advance.

--
Patrick
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #16565 is a reply to message #16548] Mon, 21 July 2008 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Patrick Godeau wrote:
> Le 17/07/2008 20:06, Denis Roy a écrit :
>> Patrick Godeau wrote:
>>> That's what I feared: Babel translations are not usable for RCP
>>> development.
>>>
>>> I'd like to help, but how? I already submitted some french
>>> translations, but the problem is in the packaging: if there were
>>> usable language packs, even with incomplete translations, I'm sure
>>> that there would be much more translation contributions.
>>
>> It's not clear to me what the problem is yet, so I'm at a loss to know
>> how to fix it.
>>
>> The code that builds the update site is here. Have a look:
>> http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.babel/s erver/classes/export/generate1.php?root=Technology_Project&a mp;view=log
>>
>
> Hi Denis,
>
> The problem is that there are no Babel language packs available for
> download, contrary to what is said on the download page.
>
> There are only update sites, for adding translations from an update
> manager inside Eclipse IDE. But this is not what we need for building
> translated RCP applications. (Incidentally, even these update sites
> break the IDE, as noted on previous threads.)

The 'break the IDE' problem is what I would like to solve. Can someone
open a bug with a set of actions to reproduce the problem?


> It is possible to download NL plug-ins from the nightly build update
> site with some fiddling (this require to bypass robots.txt, I use "wget
> -erobots=off") but this is not acceptable for the average developer.

If you write a script that takes the NL plugins and re-packages them
into 'language packs' I will certainly have a look at it. Simply open a
bug against Babel/Server and attach the script.

Thanks!



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Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #16580 is a reply to message #16565] Tue, 22 July 2008 06:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sean Flanigan is currently offline Sean Flanigan
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Denis Roy wrote:
> The 'break the IDE' problem is what I would like to solve. Can someone
> open a bug with a set of actions to reproduce the problem?

Hendrik Maryns did that, unless I'm mistaken:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=238800

Regards

Sean.
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #16618 is a reply to message #16565] Tue, 22 July 2008 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: godeau_nosp.m_alma.fr

Le 21/07/2008 17:54, Denis Roy a écrit :
>
> If you write a script that takes the NL plugins and re-packages them
> into 'language packs' I will certainly have a look at it. Simply open a
> bug against Babel/Server and attach the script.


Here it is:

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=241633

IMO, building language packs for Eclipse platform, or at least RCP
runtime, should be a priority, rather than trying to translate every
Eclipse project.

The fact that language packs are not available is discouraging
developers to build apps on Eclipse versions upper than 3.2.

Thanks,

--
Patrick
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #541092 is a reply to message #14571] Fri, 18 June 2010 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ricardo  is currently offline Ricardo
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Hello

Eclipse User wrote on Thu, 03 July 2008 09:31
Originally posted by: godeau_nosp.m_alma.fr

Hello,

When I put language plugins from Babel project into my RCP target
(version 3.4), they are not taken in my application build. The platform
part of the application is not localized.


Did you ever manage to fix this problem? I'm running Eclipse 3.5 and have the same problem.... (please see http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php?t=msg&th=170247& amp;start=0&)

Quote:

I must copy the language plug-ins by hand after the build, to get the
app translated.


If this worked, then I really want to give it a try. What do you mean by coppying the language plug-ins by hand? And to which folder, the plugins inside the directory of the exported application? I've tried this one but didn't change anything.

Thanks

Ricardo Almeida
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #541484 is a reply to message #14571] Mon, 21 June 2010 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ricardo  is currently offline Ricardo
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I'm just posting to inform that I just fixed this. The solution was to add "lib/eclipse/plugins" (the folder where the babel plugins are) to the classpath, in the Runtime tab.

Ricardo
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #571906 is a reply to message #14571] Thu, 10 July 2008 06:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi again,

I wonder, does anyone really use babel translations?
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #571969 is a reply to message #14807] Thu, 10 July 2008 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Member
Patrick Godeau schreef:
> Hi again,
>
> I wonder, does anyone really use babel translations?

I do, but only as developer (by that I mean: I use Eclipse as developer
only), and the flashing splash screen pops up from time to time, so it
isn’t really usable yet.

H.
--
Hendrik Maryns
http://tcl.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de/~hendrik/
==================
http://aouw.org
Ask smart questions, get good answers:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #572289 is a reply to message #14837] Thu, 17 July 2008 15:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Patrick Godeau is currently offline Patrick Godeau
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Le 10/07/2008 09:09, Hendrik Maryns a écrit :
> Patrick Godeau schreef:
>> Hi again,
>>
>> I wonder, does anyone really use babel translations?
>
> I do, but only as developer (by that I mean: I use Eclipse as developer
> only), and the flashing splash screen pops up from time to time, so it
> isn’t really usable yet.

That's what I feared: Babel translations are not usable for RCP development.

I'd like to help, but how? I already submitted some french translations,
but the problem is in the packaging: if there were usable language
packs, even with incomplete translations, I'm sure that there would be
much more translation contributions.

--
Patrick
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #572319 is a reply to message #16514] Thu, 17 July 2008 18:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Patrick Godeau wrote:
> Le 10/07/2008 09:09, Hendrik Maryns a écrit :
>> Patrick Godeau schreef:
>>> Hi again,
>>>
>>> I wonder, does anyone really use babel translations?
>>
>> I do, but only as developer (by that I mean: I use Eclipse as
>> developer only), and the flashing splash screen pops up from time to
>> time, so it isn’t really usable yet.
>
> That's what I feared: Babel translations are not usable for RCP
> development.
>
> I'd like to help, but how? I already submitted some french translations,
> but the problem is in the packaging: if there were usable language
> packs, even with incomplete translations, I'm sure that there would be
> much more translation contributions.

It's not clear to me what the problem is yet, so I'm at a loss to know
how to fix it.

The code that builds the update site is here. Have a look:
http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.babel/s erver/classes/export/generate1.php?root=Technology_Project&a mp;view=log

Denis



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Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #572394 is a reply to message #16531] Mon, 21 July 2008 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Patrick Godeau is currently offline Patrick Godeau
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Le 17/07/2008 20:06, Denis Roy a écrit :
> Patrick Godeau wrote:
>> That's what I feared: Babel translations are not usable for RCP
>> development.
>>
>> I'd like to help, but how? I already submitted some french
>> translations, but the problem is in the packaging: if there were
>> usable language packs, even with incomplete translations, I'm sure
>> that there would be much more translation contributions.
>
> It's not clear to me what the problem is yet, so I'm at a loss to know
> how to fix it.
>
> The code that builds the update site is here. Have a look:
> http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.babel/s erver/classes/export/generate1.php?root=Technology_Project&a mp;view=log
>

Hi Denis,

The problem is that there are no Babel language packs available for
download, contrary to what is said on the download page.

There are only update sites, for adding translations from an update
manager inside Eclipse IDE. But this is not what we need for building
translated RCP applications. (Incidentally, even these update sites
break the IDE, as noted on previous threads.)

It is possible to download NL plug-ins from the nightly build update
site with some fiddling (this require to bypass robots.txt, I use "wget
-erobots=off") but this is not acceptable for the average developer.
I also had to write a Python script to get NL plug-ins for all wanted
languages.

Will it be possible to have language packs as specified here:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/Babel_/_Server_Tool_Specification#Ou tputs

Thanks in advance.

--
Patrick
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #572418 is a reply to message #16548] Mon, 21 July 2008 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Patrick Godeau wrote:
> Le 17/07/2008 20:06, Denis Roy a écrit :
>> Patrick Godeau wrote:
>>> That's what I feared: Babel translations are not usable for RCP
>>> development.
>>>
>>> I'd like to help, but how? I already submitted some french
>>> translations, but the problem is in the packaging: if there were
>>> usable language packs, even with incomplete translations, I'm sure
>>> that there would be much more translation contributions.
>>
>> It's not clear to me what the problem is yet, so I'm at a loss to know
>> how to fix it.
>>
>> The code that builds the update site is here. Have a look:
>> http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.babel/s erver/classes/export/generate1.php?root=Technology_Project&a mp;view=log
>>
>
> Hi Denis,
>
> The problem is that there are no Babel language packs available for
> download, contrary to what is said on the download page.
>
> There are only update sites, for adding translations from an update
> manager inside Eclipse IDE. But this is not what we need for building
> translated RCP applications. (Incidentally, even these update sites
> break the IDE, as noted on previous threads.)

The 'break the IDE' problem is what I would like to solve. Can someone
open a bug with a set of actions to reproduce the problem?


> It is possible to download NL plug-ins from the nightly build update
> site with some fiddling (this require to bypass robots.txt, I use "wget
> -erobots=off") but this is not acceptable for the average developer.

If you write a script that takes the NL plugins and re-packages them
into 'language packs' I will certainly have a look at it. Simply open a
bug against Babel/Server and attach the script.

Thanks!



--

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Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #572438 is a reply to message #16565] Tue, 22 July 2008 06:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sean Flanigan is currently offline Sean Flanigan
Messages: 22
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Denis Roy wrote:
> The 'break the IDE' problem is what I would like to solve. Can someone
> open a bug with a set of actions to reproduce the problem?

Hendrik Maryns did that, unless I'm mistaken:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=238800

Regards

Sean.
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #572509 is a reply to message #16565] Tue, 22 July 2008 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Patrick Godeau is currently offline Patrick Godeau
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Member
Le 21/07/2008 17:54, Denis Roy a écrit :
>
> If you write a script that takes the NL plugins and re-packages them
> into 'language packs' I will certainly have a look at it. Simply open a
> bug against Babel/Server and attach the script.


Here it is:

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=241633

IMO, building language packs for Eclipse platform, or at least RCP
runtime, should be a priority, rather than trying to translate every
Eclipse project.

The fact that language packs are not available is discouraging
developers to build apps on Eclipse versions upper than 3.2.

Thanks,

--
Patrick
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #580709 is a reply to message #14571] Fri, 18 June 2010 10:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ricardo  is currently offline Ricardo
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Hello

Eclipse User wrote on Thu, 03 July 2008 09:31
> Originally posted by: godeau_nosp.m_alma.fr
>
> Hello,
>
> When I put language plugins from Babel project into my RCP target
> (version 3.4), they are not taken in my application build. The platform
> part of the application is not localized.


Did you ever manage to fix this problem? I'm running Eclipse 3.5 and have the same problem.... (please see http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php?t=msg&th=170247& amp;start=0&)

Quote:
> I must copy the language plug-ins by hand after the build, to get the
> app translated.


If this worked, then I really want to give it a try. What do you mean by coppying the language plug-ins by hand? And to which folder, the plugins inside the directory of the exported application? I've tried this one but didn't change anything.

Thanks

Ricardo Almeida
Re: Using NL plug-ins in RCP [message #580742 is a reply to message #14571] Mon, 21 June 2010 10:13 Go to previous message
Ricardo  is currently offline Ricardo
Messages: 14
Registered: June 2010
Junior Member
I'm just posting to inform that I just fixed this. The solution was to add "lib/eclipse/plugins" (the folder where the babel plugins are) to the classpath, in the Runtime tab.

Ricardo
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