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Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #140341] Thu, 13 September 2007 02:10 Go to next message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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All:
I built on the patch from Erik and submitted a patch for VE here:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=202562

I made a build based on that patch available there:
http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=1310 65&use_mirror=superb-east&filename=org.eclipse.visua leditor-1.3.0.200709121813.zip&11437248

Feedback is welcomed.

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Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #140348 is a reply to message #140341] Thu, 13 September 2007 05:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: alex_blewitt.yahoo.com

It's good to see that the VE is starting to build up steam again. Keep up the good work!

Alex.
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #140353 is a reply to message #140348] Thu, 13 September 2007 10:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"Alex Blewitt" <alex_blewitt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It's good to see that the VE is starting to build up steam again. Keep up
the good work!
Thanks Alex!
At that stage the project is on life support and monitoring, imho.
And it need all the help it can get.
There are 400+ open bugs!
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Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #140726 is a reply to message #140341] Thu, 20 September 2007 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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Philippe,

Thanks for your efforts! I'm trying out your Sept 12 build, but have not had success. I did the following:
* unpacked the .zip
* changed the folder name to "eclipse"
* created a .eclipseextension file
* went to Help>Software Updates>Manage Configuration
* Add an Extension location
* selected my "eclipse" folder above
* restarted

Now I see VE in my plugin list via
Help>About Eclipse Platform>Plug-in Details
However, I don't see any of the VE features (Visual class not listed in New... and no Visual Editor option under right-click>Open With...)

I have GEF 3.2.100.v20070529 and EMF v2.3.9.v200706262000 installed under Eclipse 3.3.0 (not EasyEclipse).

Any ideas?
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #140734 is a reply to message #140726] Thu, 20 September 2007 12:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

Chris,

I assume you mean EMF 2.3.0. You likely need to run eclipse.exe -clean
to update the configuration. If things still fail, run with -clean
-debug and look at the Error log for clues about what might be failing
to activate and why.


Chris Dolan wrote:
> Philippe,
>
> Thanks for your efforts! I'm trying out your Sept 12 build, but have not had success. I did the following:
> * unpacked the .zip
> * changed the folder name to "eclipse"
> * created a .eclipseextension file
> * went to Help>Software Updates>Manage Configuration
> * Add an Extension location
> * selected my "eclipse" folder above
> * restarted
>
> Now I see VE in my plugin list via
> Help>About Eclipse Platform>Plug-in Details
> However, I don't see any of the VE features (Visual class not listed in New... and no Visual Editor option under right-click>Open With...)
>
> I have GEF 3.2.100.v20070529 and EMF v2.3.9.v200706262000 installed under Eclipse 3.3.0 (not EasyEclipse).
>
> Any ideas?
>
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #140790 is a reply to message #140734] Thu, 20 September 2007 14:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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&gt; Chris,
&gt;
&gt; I assume you mean EMF 2.3.0. You likely need to run
&gt; eclipse.exe -clean
&gt; to update the configuration. If things still fail,
&gt; run with -clean
&gt; -debug and look at the Error log for clues about what
&gt; might be failing
&gt; to activate and why.

Oh, right, I meant 2.3.0. I did some more digging and it appears my problem is that I lack JEM 2.0.0. I'm currently following Eric's advice ( http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.tools.ve/msg07 104.html) and am trying to install the WTP SDK, but it's a confusing process.
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #140800 is a reply to message #140790] Thu, 20 September 2007 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

Chris,

The log is good for describing problems like missing plugins, so it's a
good idea to look closely at that for clues. I'm sure the log will say
that JEM is missing, for example.

Chris Dolan wrote:
> &gt; Chris,
> &gt;
> &gt; I assume you mean EMF 2.3.0. You likely need to run
> &gt; eclipse.exe -clean
> &gt; to update the configuration. If things still fail,
> &gt; run with -clean
> &gt; -debug and look at the Error log for clues about what
> &gt; might be failing
> &gt; to activate and why.
>
> Oh, right, I meant 2.3.0. I did some more digging and it appears my problem is that I lack JEM 2.0.0. I'm currently following Eric's advice ( http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.tools.ve/msg07 104.html) and am trying to install the WTP SDK, but it's a confusing process.
>
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #140822 is a reply to message #140800] Thu, 20 September 2007 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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I got it to work once I figured out the JEM stuff. In the end, these are the steps that worked for me. Note: these are likely not the minimal steps, just one working solution.

1) Fully uninstall any old version of VE or JEM (not just disable)
2) via the Europa update site, install prerequisites for WTP:
2a) org.eclipse.datatools
2b) org.eclipse.wst
2c) org.eclipse.jst
2d) org.eclipse.jpt
3) Install the 3.0M1 milestone release of WTP SDK, which is the authoritative source of JEM 2.0.0:
3a) Go to http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/
3b) Click the 3.0M1 build
3c) Download the wtp-sdk zip
3d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
3e) In that extracted folder, there is an "eclipse" subdir
3f) In that subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
3g) Put the following three lines in that file:

name=WTP
id=org.eclipse.wst
version=2.0.0.v200706041905

3h) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
3i) Click "Add an Extension Location"
3j) Select the WTP "eclipse" subdir from above
4) Install the build of VE:
4a) Go to http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131065 &package_id=154855
4b) Click "Visual Editor patched as in bug 202562"
4c) Click org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813.zip
4d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
4e) In that extracted folder, there is an " org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813" subdir
4f) Rename that subdir to "eclipse"
4g) In that "eclipse" subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
4h) Put the following three lines in that file:

name=Visual Editor
id=org.eclipse.visualeditor
version=1.3.0.200709121813

4i) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
4j) Click "Add an Extension Location"
4k) Select the VE "eclipse" subdir from above
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #140874 is a reply to message #140822] Fri, 21 September 2007 08:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

Chris,

Someone needs to open a request for WTP to provide a feature purely for
JEM. VE should not need to go through all this to pick up JEM! Note
that EMF itself has been decomposed in a large number of small features
so we've already tried to be helpful in this regard. What I'd like to
see for all projects is that they specify a project file set that allows
anyone to extract the components for that project directly from CVS.
We'll try to accomplish this in the modeling project first before we
start pointing fingers at others for not doing this. :-P It's
important for an open community to make it easy for anyone to build the
project and to be able to work like the developers of the project so
that they can contribute high quality patches, including JUnit tests for
their additional capabilities. Thanks for sharing your experience so
that others can reuse it. Probably this information should go in a wiki
so that it's easy to find and easy to update as things change...


Chris Dolan wrote:
> I got it to work once I figured out the JEM stuff. In the end, these are the steps that worked for me. Note: these are likely not the minimal steps, just one working solution.
>
> 1) Fully uninstall any old version of VE or JEM (not just disable)
> 2) via the Europa update site, install prerequisites for WTP:
> 2a) org.eclipse.datatools
> 2b) org.eclipse.wst
> 2c) org.eclipse.jst
> 2d) org.eclipse.jpt
> 3) Install the 3.0M1 milestone release of WTP SDK, which is the authoritative source of JEM 2.0.0:
> 3a) Go to http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/
> 3b) Click the 3.0M1 build
> 3c) Download the wtp-sdk zip
> 3d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
> 3e) In that extracted folder, there is an "eclipse" subdir
> 3f) In that subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
> 3g) Put the following three lines in that file:
>
> name=WTP
> id=org.eclipse.wst
> version=2.0.0.v200706041905
>
> 3h) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
> 3i) Click "Add an Extension Location"
> 3j) Select the WTP "eclipse" subdir from above
> 4) Install the build of VE:
> 4a) Go to http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131065 &package_id=154855
> 4b) Click "Visual Editor patched as in bug 202562"
> 4c) Click org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813.zip
> 4d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
> 4e) In that extracted folder, there is an " org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813" subdir
> 4f) Rename that subdir to "eclipse"
> 4g) In that "eclipse" subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
> 4h) Put the following three lines in that file:
>
> name=Visual Editor
> id=org.eclipse.visualeditor
> version=1.3.0.200709121813
>
> 4i) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
> 4j) Click "Add an Extension Location"
> 4k) Select the VE "eclipse" subdir from above
>
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #140885 is a reply to message #140874] Fri, 21 September 2007 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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&gt; Probably this information should go in a wiki
&gt; so that it's easy to find and easy to update as
&gt; things change...

Agreed. I tried to add it to http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Contributing but the wiki doesn't like my bugzilla login...
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #140906 is a reply to message #140885] Fri, 21 September 2007 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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Philippe,

By what mechanism would you prefer to receive feedback? In particular, I'm encountering problems with GridBagConstraints (codegen omits the "new GridBagConstraints()" clause).

Chris
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #140991 is a reply to message #140906] Sun, 23 September 2007 19:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"Chris Dolan" <christopher_dolan@avid.com> wrote in message
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> Philippe,
>
> By what mechanism would you prefer to receive feedback? In particular,
I'm encountering problems with GridBagConstraints (codegen omits the "new
GridBagConstraints()" clause).
Chris: the best mechanism is put everything in bugzilla, so everyone knows
that all bugs and issues are there .
Cordially
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141012 is a reply to message #140991] Mon, 24 September 2007 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erik Hecht is currently offline Erik Hecht
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Hello Chris,

if you have an patch add it to this bug.
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=203542

thanks
Erik

Philippe Ombredanne schrieb:
> "Chris Dolan" <christopher_dolan@avid.com> wrote in message
> news:1828206571.34131190386989074.JavaMail.root@cp9.dzone.com...
>> Philippe,
>>
>> By what mechanism would you prefer to receive feedback? In particular,
> I'm encountering problems with GridBagConstraints (codegen omits the "new
> GridBagConstraints()" clause).
> Chris: the best mechanism is put everything in bugzilla, so everyone knows
> that all bugs and issues are there .
> Cordially
>
>
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141023 is a reply to message #141012] Mon, 24 September 2007 17:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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&gt; Hello Chris,
&gt;
&gt; if you have an patch add it to this bug.
&gt; https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=203542
&gt;
&gt; thanks
&gt; Erik

Alas, my schedule does not permit me the time to participate in this project at a deeper level than just as a user. I'm afraid my criticism cannot be that constructive. :-)

I did post four bug reports and a feature request today, though.

Chris
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141034 is a reply to message #140991] Mon, 24 September 2007 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erik Hecht is currently offline Erik Hecht
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Hello Chris,

if you have an patch add it to this bug.
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=203542

thanks
Erik

Philippe Ombredanne schrieb:
> "Chris Dolan" <christopher_dolan@avid.com> wrote in message
> news:1828206571.34131190386989074.JavaMail.root@cp9.dzone.com...
>> Philippe,
>>
>> By what mechanism would you prefer to receive feedback? In particular,
> I'm encountering problems with GridBagConstraints (codegen omits the "new
> GridBagConstraints()" clause).
> Chris: the best mechanism is put everything in bugzilla, so everyone knows
> that all bugs and issues are there .
> Cordially
>
>
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141045 is a reply to message #141034] Mon, 24 September 2007 18:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Erik Hecht is currently offline Erik Hecht
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Hello all,

I have updated again. All patches I know are currently in cvs. Idid only
built it.

Here is the link again where you can find my (non-official) version.

http://www.ehecht.com/eclipse_ve/ve.html

best regards

Erik
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141067 is a reply to message #141045] Tue, 25 September 2007 02:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: steinbach.gmx-topmail.de

Hello Erik,

> Here is the link again where you can find my (non-official) version.
> http://www.ehecht.com/eclipse_ve/ve.html

Which kind of the wtp package should be installed to have "jem"
in my windows installation of Europe?

the "Web Tools Platform All-In-One Packages" (~260M win)
-> wtp-all-in-one-sdk-R-2.0-200706260303-win32.zip

the "Web Tools Platform Complete" (~37M win)
-> wtp-R-2.0-200706260303.zip

or the "Web Standard Tools" (~18M win)
-> wtp-wst-R-2.0-200706260303.zip

Thomas
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141100 is a reply to message #141067] Tue, 25 September 2007 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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&gt; Hello Erik,
&gt;
&gt; > Here is the link again where you can find my
&gt; (non-official) version.
&gt; > http://www.ehecht.com/eclipse_ve/ve.html
&gt;
&gt; Which kind of the wtp package should be installed to
&gt; have "jem"
&gt; in my windows installation of Europe?
&gt;
&gt; the "Web Tools Platform All-In-One Packages" (~260M
&gt; win)
&gt; -> wtp-all-in-one-sdk-R-2.0-200706260303-win32.zip
&gt;
&gt; the "Web Tools Platform Complete" (~37M win)
&gt; -> wtp-R-2.0-200706260303.zip
&gt;
&gt; or the "Web Standard Tools" (~18M win)
&gt; -> wtp-wst-R-2.0-200706260303.zip
&gt;
&gt; Thomas

Thomas,

See my notes in comment #7 above. I found that I needed v3.0M1 of WTP because VE needs JEM v2.0.0 and WTP v2.x has an older version of JEM.

Chris
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141145 is a reply to message #140822] Sun, 23 September 2007 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"Chris Dolan" <christopher_dolan@avid.com> wrote in message
news:155712966.30271190320497180.JavaMail.root@cp9.dzone.com...
> I got it to work once I figured out the JEM stuff. In the end, these are
the steps that worked for me. Note: these are likely not the minimal steps,
just one working solution.
>
> 1) Fully uninstall any old version of VE or JEM (not just disable)
> 2) via the Europa update site, install prerequisites for WTP:
> 2a) org.eclipse.datatools
> 2b) org.eclipse.wst
> 2c) org.eclipse.jst
> 2d) org.eclipse.jpt
> 3) Install the 3.0M1 milestone release of WTP SDK, which is the
authoritative source of JEM 2.0.0:
> 3a) Go to http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/
> 3b) Click the 3.0M1 build
> 3c) Download the wtp-sdk zip
> 3d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
> 3e) In that extracted folder, there is an "eclipse" subdir
> 3f) In that subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
> 3g) Put the following three lines in that file:
>
> name=WTP
> id=org.eclipse.wst
> version=2.0.0.v200706041905
>
> 3h) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
> 3i) Click "Add an Extension Location"
> 3j) Select the WTP "eclipse" subdir from above
> 4) Install the build of VE:
> 4a) Go to
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131065 &package_id=154855
> 4b) Click "Visual Editor patched as in bug 202562"
> 4c) Click org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813.zip
> 4d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
> 4e) In that extracted folder, there is an "
org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813" subdir
> 4f) Rename that subdir to "eclipse"
> 4g) In that "eclipse" subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
> 4h) Put the following three lines in that file:
>
> name=Visual Editor
> id=org.eclipse.visualeditor
> version=1.3.0.200709121813
>
> 4i) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
> 4j) Click "Add an Extension Location"
> 4k) Select the VE "eclipse" subdir from above

Hey that is a cool step by step guide :-)
Note:The .eclipseextension can be empty. the content does not matter mostly.
Could you do something for all of us?
Add those steps and instructions to that wiki page:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Installing
Then as soon as we have anofficial build we can update it :-)
Thanks!
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141156 is a reply to message #141023] Wed, 26 September 2007 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"Chris Dolan" <christopher_dolan@avid.com> wrote in message
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> Alas, my schedule does not permit me the time to participate in this
project at a deeper level than just as a user. I'm afraid my criticism
cannot be that constructive. :-)
> I did post four bug reports and a feature request today, though.
We all know the feeling.
Bugs and feature request are super helpful too. Thanks for helping!
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141195 is a reply to message #140822] Wed, 26 September 2007 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"Chris Dolan" <christopher_dolan@avid.com> wrote in message
> I got it to work once I figured out the JEM stuff.
>In the end, these are the steps that worked for me.
>Note: these are likely not the minimal steps, just one working solution.

Chris I added you rinstructions to that wiki page:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Installing
Thanks again!
All feel free to edit the page as needed if the step do not work for you.

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>
> 1) Fully uninstall any old version of VE or JEM (not just disable)
> 2) via the Europa update site, install prerequisites for WTP:
> 2a) org.eclipse.datatools
> 2b) org.eclipse.wst
> 2c) org.eclipse.jst
> 2d) org.eclipse.jpt
> 3) Install the 3.0M1 milestone release of WTP SDK, which is the
authoritative source of JEM 2.0.0:
> 3a) Go to http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/
> 3b) Click the 3.0M1 build
> 3c) Download the wtp-sdk zip
> 3d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
> 3e) In that extracted folder, there is an "eclipse" subdir
> 3f) In that subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
> 3g) Put the following three lines in that file:
>
> name=WTP
> id=org.eclipse.wst
> version=2.0.0.v200706041905
>
> 3h) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
> 3i) Click "Add an Extension Location"
> 3j) Select the WTP "eclipse" subdir from above
> 4) Install the build of VE:
> 4a) Go to
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131065 &package_id=154855
> 4b) Click "Visual Editor patched as in bug 202562"
> 4c) Click org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813.zip
> 4d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
> 4e) In that extracted folder, there is an "
org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813" subdir
> 4f) Rename that subdir to "eclipse"
> 4g) In that "eclipse" subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
> 4h) Put the following three lines in that file:
>
> name=Visual Editor
> id=org.eclipse.visualeditor
> version=1.3.0.200709121813
>
> 4i) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
> 4j) Click "Add an Extension Location"
> 4k) Select the VE "eclipse" subdir from above
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141437 is a reply to message #140822] Tue, 02 October 2007 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: aslam.13thfloor.com

Chris Dolan wrote:

> 1) Fully uninstall any old version of VE or JEM (not just disable)

Thanks for the step by step but how do I accomplish step 1? When I go in,
I see no method to "fully uninstall" only disable.

Also can someone modify this step by step for a completely clean, new
install of Eclipse on OS X or Windows? What do I need to have on a virgin
install before starting all of this?

Thanks,
Aslam

P.S. Is the reason VE lost steam originally because there are other (maybe
commercial) WYSIWYG Swing editors that people are using more? If so what
are some of them?
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141447 is a reply to message #141437] Tue, 02 October 2007 18:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: richkulp.us.NO_SPAM.ibm.com

Full uninstall will only be available if you used the update manager to
install and HAD NOT used -clean option. If you used -clean or did not
use the update manager then you need to do it by hand. You need to
delete the features and plugins and run -clean.


Aslam Nathoo wrote:
> Chris Dolan wrote:
>
>> 1) Fully uninstall any old version of VE or JEM (not just disable)
>
> Thanks for the step by step but how do I accomplish step 1? When I go
> in, I see no method to "fully uninstall" only disable.
>
> Also can someone modify this step by step for a completely clean, new
> install of Eclipse on OS X or Windows? What do I need to have on a
> virgin install before starting all of this?
>
> Thanks,
> Aslam
>
> P.S. Is the reason VE lost steam originally because there are other
> (maybe commercial) WYSIWYG Swing editors that people are using more? If
> so what are some of them?
>

--
Thanks,
Rich Kulp
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141455 is a reply to message #141437] Tue, 02 October 2007 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe Ombredanne
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"Aslam Nathoo" <aslam@13thfloor.com> wrote in message
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> P.S. Is the reason VE lost steam originally because there are other (maybe
> commercial) WYSIWYG Swing editors that people are using more? If so what
> are some of them?
I doubt that is the reason.
This is a complex piece of code that may have scared many.
That may have been the reason.
Now the project is regaining steam, so thank you for your support!
As for Swing commercial editors there are many ones to pick from. GIYF :-).

For the future of VE there are several possibilities:
1/ focus exclusively on SWT and do it extremely well
2/ continue to provide a more generic editing framework, and supporting
visual editing of non-java target such as GWT, HTML, Groovy, EXSWT, etc.
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Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141476 is a reply to message #141455] Wed, 03 October 2007 03:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Philippe Ombredanne wrote:

> For the future of VE there are several possibilities:
> 1/ focus exclusively on SWT and do it extremely well
> 2/ continue to provide a more generic editing framework, and supporting
> visual editing of non-java target such as GWT, HTML, Groovy, EXSWT, etc.

GWT is Java target.


Konstantin Scheglov,
Google, Inc.
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141640 is a reply to message #141476] Thu, 11 October 2007 00:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Konstantin Scheglov" <kscheglov@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Philippe Ombredanne wrote:
>
> > For the future of VE there are several possibilities:
> > 1/ focus exclusively on SWT and do it extremely well
> > 2/ continue to provide a more generic editing framework, and supporting
> > visual editing of non-java target such as GWT, HTML, Groovy, EXSWT, etc.
>
> GWT is Java target.
True, but the rendering is not Java so that would mean some other
techniques?
Or not?

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Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141670 is a reply to message #141640] Thu, 11 October 2007 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Konstantin Scheglov is currently offline Konstantin Scheglov
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Philippe Ombredanne wrote:


>>> For the future of VE there are several possibilities:
>>> 1/ focus exclusively on SWT and do it extremely well
>>> 2/ continue to provide a more generic editing framework, and supporting
>>> visual editing of non-java target such as GWT, HTML, Groovy, EXSWT, etc.
>> GWT is Java target.
> True, but the rendering is not Java so that would mean some other
> techniques?
> Or not?

"Or not." :-)

You have classes with Java code and special methods with JavaScript code.
You can use special ClassLoader to (re)implement these methods to
execute this JavaScript code in browser. After this you can just execute
these classes in normal JVM. How do you think this is done in GWT hosted
mode or in GWT Designer?


Konstantin Scheglov,
Google, Inc.
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #141702 is a reply to message #141670] Sat, 13 October 2007 02:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Konstantin Scheglov" <kscheglov@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > True, but the rendering is not Java so that would mean some other
> > techniques?
> > Or not?
>
> "Or not." :-)
>
> You have classes with Java code and special methods with JavaScript
code.
> You can use special ClassLoader to (re)implement these methods to
> execute this JavaScript code in browser. After this you can just execute
> these classes in normal JVM. How do you think this is done in GWT hosted
> mode or in GWT Designer?
I shall reckon my complete lack of knowledge about the GWT internals for
now.
Help would be welcomed if we do something there.
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #142237 is a reply to message #140822] Tue, 23 October 2007 14:50 Go to previous message
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Originally posted by: njagan.gmail.com

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the detailed instructions. I had spent more than a week and
was really going totally crazy with VE & Europa. Your article really
helped me immensely.

Thanks again!

Cheers!!!
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616510 is a reply to message #140341] Thu, 13 September 2007 05:27 Go to previous message
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It's good to see that the VE is starting to build up steam again. Keep up the good work!

Alex.
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616512 is a reply to message #140348] Thu, 13 September 2007 10:18 Go to previous message
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"Alex Blewitt" <alex_blewitt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It's good to see that the VE is starting to build up steam again. Keep up
the good work!
Thanks Alex!
At that stage the project is on life support and monitoring, imho.
And it need all the help it can get.
There are 400+ open bugs!
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http://EasyEclipse.org
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616573 is a reply to message #140341] Thu, 20 September 2007 12:32 Go to previous message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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Philippe,

Thanks for your efforts! I'm trying out your Sept 12 build, but have not had success. I did the following:
* unpacked the .zip
* changed the folder name to "eclipse"
* created a .eclipseextension file
* went to Help>Software Updates>Manage Configuration
* Add an Extension location
* selected my "eclipse" folder above
* restarted

Now I see VE in my plugin list via
Help>About Eclipse Platform>Plug-in Details
However, I don't see any of the VE features (Visual class not listed in New... and no Visual Editor option under right-click>Open With...)

I have GEF 3.2.100.v20070529 and EMF v2.3.9.v200706262000 installed under Eclipse 3.3.0 (not EasyEclipse).

Any ideas?
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616574 is a reply to message #140726] Thu, 20 September 2007 12:40 Go to previous message
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Chris,

I assume you mean EMF 2.3.0. You likely need to run eclipse.exe -clean
to update the configuration. If things still fail, run with -clean
-debug and look at the Error log for clues about what might be failing
to activate and why.


Chris Dolan wrote:
> Philippe,
>
> Thanks for your efforts! I'm trying out your Sept 12 build, but have not had success. I did the following:
> * unpacked the .zip
> * changed the folder name to "eclipse"
> * created a .eclipseextension file
> * went to Help>Software Updates>Manage Configuration
> * Add an Extension location
> * selected my "eclipse" folder above
> * restarted
>
> Now I see VE in my plugin list via
> Help>About Eclipse Platform>Plug-in Details
> However, I don't see any of the VE features (Visual class not listed in New... and no Visual Editor option under right-click>Open With...)
>
> I have GEF 3.2.100.v20070529 and EMF v2.3.9.v200706262000 installed under Eclipse 3.3.0 (not EasyEclipse).
>
> Any ideas?
>
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616577 is a reply to message #140734] Thu, 20 September 2007 14:41 Go to previous message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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&gt; Chris,
&gt;
&gt; I assume you mean EMF 2.3.0. You likely need to run
&gt; eclipse.exe -clean
&gt; to update the configuration. If things still fail,
&gt; run with -clean
&gt; -debug and look at the Error log for clues about what
&gt; might be failing
&gt; to activate and why.

Oh, right, I meant 2.3.0. I did some more digging and it appears my problem is that I lack JEM 2.0.0. I'm currently following Eric's advice ( http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.tools.ve/msg07 104.html) and am trying to install the WTP SDK, but it's a confusing process.
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616578 is a reply to message #140790] Thu, 20 September 2007 14:45 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed Merks
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Chris,

The log is good for describing problems like missing plugins, so it's a
good idea to look closely at that for clues. I'm sure the log will say
that JEM is missing, for example.

Chris Dolan wrote:
> &gt; Chris,
> &gt;
> &gt; I assume you mean EMF 2.3.0. You likely need to run
> &gt; eclipse.exe -clean
> &gt; to update the configuration. If things still fail,
> &gt; run with -clean
> &gt; -debug and look at the Error log for clues about what
> &gt; might be failing
> &gt; to activate and why.
>
> Oh, right, I meant 2.3.0. I did some more digging and it appears my problem is that I lack JEM 2.0.0. I'm currently following Eric's advice ( http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.tools.ve/msg07 104.html) and am trying to install the WTP SDK, but it's a confusing process.
>
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616580 is a reply to message #140800] Thu, 20 September 2007 16:34 Go to previous message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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I got it to work once I figured out the JEM stuff. In the end, these are the steps that worked for me. Note: these are likely not the minimal steps, just one working solution.

1) Fully uninstall any old version of VE or JEM (not just disable)
2) via the Europa update site, install prerequisites for WTP:
2a) org.eclipse.datatools
2b) org.eclipse.wst
2c) org.eclipse.jst
2d) org.eclipse.jpt
3) Install the 3.0M1 milestone release of WTP SDK, which is the authoritative source of JEM 2.0.0:
3a) Go to http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/
3b) Click the 3.0M1 build
3c) Download the wtp-sdk zip
3d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
3e) In that extracted folder, there is an "eclipse" subdir
3f) In that subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
3g) Put the following three lines in that file:

name=WTP
id=org.eclipse.wst
version=2.0.0.v200706041905

3h) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
3i) Click "Add an Extension Location"
3j) Select the WTP "eclipse" subdir from above
4) Install the build of VE:
4a) Go to http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131065 &package_id=154855
4b) Click "Visual Editor patched as in bug 202562"
4c) Click org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813.zip
4d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
4e) In that extracted folder, there is an " org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813" subdir
4f) Rename that subdir to "eclipse"
4g) In that "eclipse" subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
4h) Put the following three lines in that file:

name=Visual Editor
id=org.eclipse.visualeditor
version=1.3.0.200709121813

4i) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
4j) Click "Add an Extension Location"
4k) Select the VE "eclipse" subdir from above
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616584 is a reply to message #140822] Fri, 21 September 2007 08:45 Go to previous message
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Chris,

Someone needs to open a request for WTP to provide a feature purely for
JEM. VE should not need to go through all this to pick up JEM! Note
that EMF itself has been decomposed in a large number of small features
so we've already tried to be helpful in this regard. What I'd like to
see for all projects is that they specify a project file set that allows
anyone to extract the components for that project directly from CVS.
We'll try to accomplish this in the modeling project first before we
start pointing fingers at others for not doing this. :-P It's
important for an open community to make it easy for anyone to build the
project and to be able to work like the developers of the project so
that they can contribute high quality patches, including JUnit tests for
their additional capabilities. Thanks for sharing your experience so
that others can reuse it. Probably this information should go in a wiki
so that it's easy to find and easy to update as things change...


Chris Dolan wrote:
> I got it to work once I figured out the JEM stuff. In the end, these are the steps that worked for me. Note: these are likely not the minimal steps, just one working solution.
>
> 1) Fully uninstall any old version of VE or JEM (not just disable)
> 2) via the Europa update site, install prerequisites for WTP:
> 2a) org.eclipse.datatools
> 2b) org.eclipse.wst
> 2c) org.eclipse.jst
> 2d) org.eclipse.jpt
> 3) Install the 3.0M1 milestone release of WTP SDK, which is the authoritative source of JEM 2.0.0:
> 3a) Go to http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/
> 3b) Click the 3.0M1 build
> 3c) Download the wtp-sdk zip
> 3d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
> 3e) In that extracted folder, there is an "eclipse" subdir
> 3f) In that subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
> 3g) Put the following three lines in that file:
>
> name=WTP
> id=org.eclipse.wst
> version=2.0.0.v200706041905
>
> 3h) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
> 3i) Click "Add an Extension Location"
> 3j) Select the WTP "eclipse" subdir from above
> 4) Install the build of VE:
> 4a) Go to http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=131065 &package_id=154855
> 4b) Click "Visual Editor patched as in bug 202562"
> 4c) Click org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813.zip
> 4d) Unpack the .zip file somewhere
> 4e) In that extracted folder, there is an " org.eclipse.visualeditor-1.3.0.200709121813" subdir
> 4f) Rename that subdir to "eclipse"
> 4g) In that "eclipse" subdir, create a file called ".eclipseextension"
> 4h) Put the following three lines in that file:
>
> name=Visual Editor
> id=org.eclipse.visualeditor
> version=1.3.0.200709121813
>
> 4i) In eclipse, go to Help > Software Updates > Manage Configuration
> 4j) Click "Add an Extension Location"
> 4k) Select the VE "eclipse" subdir from above
>
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616585 is a reply to message #140874] Fri, 21 September 2007 10:33 Go to previous message
Chris Dolan is currently offline Chris Dolan
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&gt; Probably this information should go in a wiki
&gt; so that it's easy to find and easy to update as
&gt; things change...

Agreed. I tried to add it to http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Contributing but the wiki doesn't like my bugzilla login...
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616587 is a reply to message #140885] Fri, 21 September 2007 11:02 Go to previous message
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Philippe,

By what mechanism would you prefer to receive feedback? In particular, I'm encountering problems with GridBagConstraints (codegen omits the "new GridBagConstraints()" clause).

Chris
Re: Updated patched VE for 3.3/Europa [message #616595 is a reply to message #140906] Sun, 23 September 2007 19:54 Go to previous message
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"Chris Dolan" <christopher_dolan@avid.com> wrote in message
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> Philippe,
>
> By what mechanism would you prefer to receive feedback? In particular,
I'm encountering problems with GridBagConstraints (codegen omits the "new
GridBagConstraints()" clause).
Chris: the best mechanism is put everything in bugzilla, so everyone knows
that all bugs and issues are there .
Cordially
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