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Old HP NetBeans plug-in [message #11937] Tue, 19 June 2007 18:46 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: jodonnell.tiversa.com

Hello all!

I am brand new to Eclipse. This TM/RSE thing is exactly what I want for
developing on windows for a Linux box.

It sounds like there is still some work to do before it becomes
full-featured.

HP had a plug-in for NetBeans to enable this kind of functionality from
Windows to OpenVMS about two years ago. Those developers might be a useful
resource for ideas and experiences they had creating their plug-in...

sccr13plyr
Re: Remote C/C++ Development (was: Old HP NetBeans plug-in) [message #12177 is a reply to message #11937] Thu, 12 July 2007 14:58 Go to previous message
Martin Oberhuber is currently offline Martin Oberhuber
Messages: 984
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hello,

thanks for the pointer! Some HP Group has been in contact with the CDT
and TM/RSE teams, and in fact has been providing a plugin for the CDT in
order to facilitate remote development.
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=168048
and
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-tm-dev/msg01094.ht ml

I see a lot of request for remote C/C++ development, but unfortunately
(at least from my point of view), the HP team has not been too
responsive to enhancement and integration requests from the community.
Currently, I'm still unclear what their direction and next steps are.

Also, the overall concept and direction we want to go for remote C/C++
development is not clearly defined yet. Therefore, their contribution
has been put on hold for now, until we sort out how we want remote shell
access, remote debugging, remote build, remote file access (EFS vs.
RSync vs. RSE) really work together.

My point of view is that TM/RSE can provide the communications vehicles
and a CDT plugin can build on these vehicles providing the higher level
features. Following the E-Mail referenced above, it looks like the CDT
team shares my view.

Others like the CDT and PTP project leads have identified EFS as the way
to go for remote file access. Which would again mean that TM/RSE could
be the vehicle for accessing the files, but serving them through the EFS
API rather than native RSE APIs -- A concept which I like, but issues
like performance, rsync replication etc. are not sorted out yet. Related
documents are on
http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/PTP/designs/remote/cdt
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=177994
(make CDT EFS aware)
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=142092
(CDT EFS Patches)
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=195997
(RSE Rsync file subsystem)

Other interesting bugs are
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=30094
(CDT remote debugging)
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=158975
(CDT remote indexing)
but I think that as it stands now, what we really need is that those
teams, groups, or indviduals who really want remote development to lift
off (and who are willing to invest some time and contribute code for
this) really get together and sort out the overall architecture and
direction.

If the community wants it, we can host a "Remote Development" discussion
at our DSDP-TM Face-To-Face meeting in Chicago Sep 19/20, see
http://wiki.eclipse.org/DSDP/TM/Face-to-face_Chicago_19-Sep- 2007#Agenda

Thanks,
--
Martin Oberhuber
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm


sccr13plyr wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> I am brand new to Eclipse. This TM/RSE thing is exactly what I want for
> developing on windows for a Linux box.
>
> It sounds like there is still some work to do before it becomes
> full-featured.
>
> HP had a plug-in for NetBeans to enable this kind of functionality from
> Windows to OpenVMS about two years ago. Those developers might be a useful
> resource for ideas and experiences they had creating their plug-in...
>
> sccr13plyr
>
>
Re: Remote C/C++ Development (was: Old HP NetBeans plug-in) [message #568888 is a reply to message #11937] Thu, 12 July 2007 14:58 Go to previous message
Martin Oberhuber is currently offline Martin Oberhuber
Messages: 984
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hello,

thanks for the pointer! Some HP Group has been in contact with the CDT
and TM/RSE teams, and in fact has been providing a plugin for the CDT in
order to facilitate remote development.
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=168048
and
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/dsdp-tm-dev/msg01094.ht ml

I see a lot of request for remote C/C++ development, but unfortunately
(at least from my point of view), the HP team has not been too
responsive to enhancement and integration requests from the community.
Currently, I'm still unclear what their direction and next steps are.

Also, the overall concept and direction we want to go for remote C/C++
development is not clearly defined yet. Therefore, their contribution
has been put on hold for now, until we sort out how we want remote shell
access, remote debugging, remote build, remote file access (EFS vs.
RSync vs. RSE) really work together.

My point of view is that TM/RSE can provide the communications vehicles
and a CDT plugin can build on these vehicles providing the higher level
features. Following the E-Mail referenced above, it looks like the CDT
team shares my view.

Others like the CDT and PTP project leads have identified EFS as the way
to go for remote file access. Which would again mean that TM/RSE could
be the vehicle for accessing the files, but serving them through the EFS
API rather than native RSE APIs -- A concept which I like, but issues
like performance, rsync replication etc. are not sorted out yet. Related
documents are on
http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/PTP/designs/remote/cdt
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=177994
(make CDT EFS aware)
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=142092
(CDT EFS Patches)
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=195997
(RSE Rsync file subsystem)

Other interesting bugs are
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=30094
(CDT remote debugging)
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=158975
(CDT remote indexing)
but I think that as it stands now, what we really need is that those
teams, groups, or indviduals who really want remote development to lift
off (and who are willing to invest some time and contribute code for
this) really get together and sort out the overall architecture and
direction.

If the community wants it, we can host a "Remote Development" discussion
at our DSDP-TM Face-To-Face meeting in Chicago Sep 19/20, see
http://wiki.eclipse.org/DSDP/TM/Face-to-face_Chicago_19-Sep- 2007#Agenda

Thanks,
--
Martin Oberhuber
Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm


sccr13plyr wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> I am brand new to Eclipse. This TM/RSE thing is exactly what I want for
> developing on windows for a Linux box.
>
> It sounds like there is still some work to do before it becomes
> full-featured.
>
> HP had a plug-in for NetBeans to enable this kind of functionality from
> Windows to OpenVMS about two years ago. Those developers might be a useful
> resource for ideas and experiences they had creating their plug-in...
>
> sccr13plyr
>
>
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