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Semantic Software Engineering [message #842] Sat, 18 April 2009 09:04 Go to next message
Florian Lautenbacher is currently offline Florian Lautenbacher
Messages: 61
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi committers of the SMILA project,

at EclipseCon some guys of the STP project and the JWT project came up
with the idea of a new project proposal to the Eclipse foundation in the
Technology area: a project that provides Eclipse users a set of plugins
they can use to work with semantic technologies such as ontologies.

Similar to your project there are a lot of projects outside Eclipse that
use the plattform to work with ontologies. Either they need to search for
concepts in an OWL ontology, they need a place to store the ontologies,
have a reasoner connected or integrated via a DIG interface, etc.

At the University of Augsburg, where I come from, we are researching on
the combination of semantic technologies and model-driven engineering and
created a set of tools for this purpose. But of course, others did the
same (the STP.SCA committers created a OWL concept digger to semantically
annotate their services and in various local or EU-funded projects I am
aware of similar work).
Please note that we are not interested in building a new ontology design
tool such as Protégé. We are only interested in having a consistent set of
tools that people who build on Eclipse can use to load ontologies, browse
them, make a reasoning upon them, etc. The first focus would be on RDF(S)
and OWL, not on WSMO(-Lite) or other languages that are around, but maybe
that might change after a while.

So, I've already talked to Wayne Beaton (Technology PMC) about such a
proposal and he would very much be interested in it. But of course, each
proposal needs committers and interested parties. So, you are the first
ones that I thought I should ask in this context. I wanted to contact you
at EclipseCon but alas didn't find the time. Maybe you are at Eclipse
Forum next week, so we could meet up there?

It would be interested to hear your opinion about this project idea.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you!

Best regards,

Florian Lautenbacher
-JWT project co-lead-
Re: Semantic Software Engineering [message #872 is a reply to message #842] Tue, 21 April 2009 08:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Juergen Schumacher is currently offline Juergen Schumacher
Messages: 35
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Florian,

sorry for the late answer, i didn't get the time to answer yesterday.

Am 18.04.2009, 11:04 Uhr, schrieb Florian Lautenbacher
<lautenbacher@informatik.uni-augsburg.de>:
> [...]
> Please note that we are not interested in building a new ontology design
> tool such as Protégé. We are only interested in having a consistent set
> of tools that people who build on Eclipse can use to load ontologies,
> browse them, make a reasoning upon them, etc. The first focus wouldbe on
> RDF(S) and OWL, not on WSMO(-Lite) or other languages that arearound,
> but maybe that might change after a while.

To me that sounds very interesting. Maybe you can give us some more details
about your plans, me and my colleagues are not completely clear about your
objectives. Do you want to create some common ontology/reasoning API,
services,
tools that can be implemented on different RDF/OWL store implementations?
That
would be very interesting for us. There are some initiatives around for
something
like this (Rdf2go, OWLAPI, ...) but none of these seems to have been
established
as a real "standard". Or do you also want to implement an own RDF/OWL store
and reasoner? That probably does not make so much sense, there are plenty
around, e.g. for SMILA we currently have OpenRDF's Sesame under IP review.

Or did I misunderstand you completely?

> So, I've already talked to Wayne Beaton (Technology PMC) about such a
> proposal and he would very much be interested in it. But of course, each
> proposal needs committers and interested parties. So, you are the first
> ones that I thought I should ask in this context. I wanted to contact
> you at EclipseCon but alas didn't find the time. Maybe you are at
> Eclipse Forum next week, so we could meet up there?

No, unfortunately we will not be there. But if you'd like to take a
small detour to Kaiserslautern, we could meet here (-; However, I'm quite
sure you can add us as an interested party in any case. I cannot promise
at the moment that I (or a colleague) can take part as a full-time
committer in your project. But if your plans make sense to us I would be
very glad to join the discussions on your proposal.

Regards,
Juergen
--
Juergen Schumacher
Senior Developer

Empolis GmbH | Europaallee 10 | 67657 Kaiserslautern | Germany
AN ATTENSITY GROUP COMPANY
Phone +49 (0) 52 41-80-74388 | Fax +49 (0) 52 41-80-74379
juergen.schumacher@empolis.com

www.empolis.com
Sitz Gütersloh | Amtsgericht Gütersloh HRB 3971 | Geschäftsführer: Dr.
Stefan Wess, Dr. Peter Tepassé
Re: Semantic Software Engineering [message #903 is a reply to message #872] Thu, 30 April 2009 11:28 Go to previous message
Florian Lautenbacher is currently offline Florian Lautenbacher
Messages: 61
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Jürgen,

> To me that sounds very interesting. Maybe you can give us some more details
> about your plans, me and my colleagues are not completely clear about your
> objectives.

The idea is to support companies and projects that rely on semantic
technologies (especially in RDF or OWL) with a set of plugins that they
can reuse for their tooling.

The first thing would be support for loading an ontology, searching for
concepts/classes and displaying it. Right now different projects I'm aware
of specify the path to an ontology in different places (either in wizards,
in preference pages, in right-click-menus, etc.).

The plugins should as a second thing also consider the DIG interface to
get access to an existing reasoner. We don't want to build new reasoners,
of course! There are already a lot of really good one out there! It's good
to know that you already have Sesame under IP review, so if it becomes
part of the Eclipse Orbit, we might reuse it!

The third step would then be to have bridges to other projects in Eclipse:
semantic annotation of web pages, services in e.g. SCA, workflows, etc.

> However, I'm quite
> sure you can add us as an interested party in any case.

We are still trying to get a community who are interested in such a
project as committers. Not only people that contribute their code that is
not connected to anything and then leave again, but on people who say,
okay, we already developed this and that and we would like to maintain it
in the future and adapt it to other plugins that will then be part of this
project. As soon as we have a small group of people we will start writing
the project proposal where we definitely add you as interested party.

As soon as we have more insights, I'll let you know again.

Best regards,

Florian
Re: Semantic Software Engineering [message #564140 is a reply to message #842] Tue, 21 April 2009 08:45 Go to previous message
Juergen Schumacher is currently offline Juergen Schumacher
Messages: 35
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Florian,

sorry for the late answer, i didn't get the time to answer yesterday.

Am 18.04.2009, 11:04 Uhr, schrieb Florian Lautenbacher
<lautenbacher@informatik.uni-augsburg.de>:
> [...]
> Please note that we are not interested in building a new ontology design
> tool such as Protégé. We are only interested in having a consistent set
> of tools that people who build on Eclipse can use to load ontologies,
> browse them, make a reasoning upon them, etc. The first focus wouldbe on
> RDF(S) and OWL, not on WSMO(-Lite) or other languages that arearound,
> but maybe that might change after a while.

To me that sounds very interesting. Maybe you can give us some more details
about your plans, me and my colleagues are not completely clear about your
objectives. Do you want to create some common ontology/reasoning API,
services,
tools that can be implemented on different RDF/OWL store implementations?
That
would be very interesting for us. There are some initiatives around for
something
like this (Rdf2go, OWLAPI, ...) but none of these seems to have been
established
as a real "standard". Or do you also want to implement an own RDF/OWL store
and reasoner? That probably does not make so much sense, there are plenty
around, e.g. for SMILA we currently have OpenRDF's Sesame under IP review.

Or did I misunderstand you completely?

> So, I've already talked to Wayne Beaton (Technology PMC) about such a
> proposal and he would very much be interested in it. But of course, each
> proposal needs committers and interested parties. So, you are the first
> ones that I thought I should ask in this context. I wanted to contact
> you at EclipseCon but alas didn't find the time. Maybe you are at
> Eclipse Forum next week, so we could meet up there?

No, unfortunately we will not be there. But if you'd like to take a
small detour to Kaiserslautern, we could meet here (-; However, I'm quite
sure you can add us as an interested party in any case. I cannot promise
at the moment that I (or a colleague) can take part as a full-time
committer in your project. But if your plans make sense to us I would be
very glad to join the discussions on your proposal.

Regards,
Juergen
--
Juergen Schumacher
Senior Developer

Empolis GmbH | Europaallee 10 | 67657 Kaiserslautern | Germany
AN ATTENSITY GROUP COMPANY
Phone +49 (0) 52 41-80-74388 | Fax +49 (0) 52 41-80-74379
juergen.schumacher@empolis.com

www.empolis.com
Sitz Gütersloh | Amtsgericht Gütersloh HRB 3971 | Geschäftsführer: Dr.
Stefan Wess, Dr. Peter Tepassé
Re: Semantic Software Engineering [message #564160 is a reply to message #872] Thu, 30 April 2009 11:28 Go to previous message
Florian Lautenbacher is currently offline Florian Lautenbacher
Messages: 61
Registered: July 2009
Member
Hi Jürgen,

> To me that sounds very interesting. Maybe you can give us some more details
> about your plans, me and my colleagues are not completely clear about your
> objectives.

The idea is to support companies and projects that rely on semantic
technologies (especially in RDF or OWL) with a set of plugins that they
can reuse for their tooling.

The first thing would be support for loading an ontology, searching for
concepts/classes and displaying it. Right now different projects I'm aware
of specify the path to an ontology in different places (either in wizards,
in preference pages, in right-click-menus, etc.).

The plugins should as a second thing also consider the DIG interface to
get access to an existing reasoner. We don't want to build new reasoners,
of course! There are already a lot of really good one out there! It's good
to know that you already have Sesame under IP review, so if it becomes
part of the Eclipse Orbit, we might reuse it!

The third step would then be to have bridges to other projects in Eclipse:
semantic annotation of web pages, services in e.g. SCA, workflows, etc.

> However, I'm quite
> sure you can add us as an interested party in any case.

We are still trying to get a community who are interested in such a
project as committers. Not only people that contribute their code that is
not connected to anything and then leave again, but on people who say,
okay, we already developed this and that and we would like to maintain it
in the future and adapt it to other plugins that will then be part of this
project. As soon as we have a small group of people we will start writing
the project proposal where we definitely add you as interested party.

As soon as we have more insights, I'll let you know again.

Best regards,

Florian
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