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Open Source SOA environment for STP [message #619033] Tue, 09 September 2008 03:34 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: michael.gebhart.googlemail.com

Hi,

if we decide to use Eclipse STP as our preferred SOA development
solution, is there a runtime environment you would recommend?

There is for example JBoss or Apache Axis + Apache ServiceMix + PXE. Is
there one environment which works best with STP regarding the
combination of BPMN (transformation to BPEL required), SCA, JBI etc.?

Greetings

Michael
Re: Open Source SOA environment for STP [message #619036 is a reply to message #619033] Tue, 09 September 2008 04:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com

Michael Gebhart wrote:
> Hi,
>
> if we decide to use Eclipse STP as our preferred SOA development
> solution, is there a runtime environment you would recommend?
>
> There is for example JBoss or Apache Axis + Apache ServiceMix + PXE. Is
> there one environment which works best with STP regarding the
> combination of BPMN (transformation to BPEL required), SCA, JBI etc.?
>
> Greetings
>
> Michael
If you want a good solution that introduces a transformation from BPMN
to BPEL, please check out the Intalio|Designer.
Intalio|Server integrates with JBI (only as part of the enterprise
edition), however we have no support for SCA.

More about it on www.intalio.com or the community website: bpms.intalio.com

Full disclosure: Intalio is my current employer and I work on
Intalio|Designer. Intalio is a member of the Eclipse foundation and I am
a committer over the BPMN component.
Re: Open Source SOA environment for STP [message #619039 is a reply to message #619033] Tue, 09 September 2008 04:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stephane Drapeau is currently offline Stephane Drapeau
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Michael Gebhart a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> if we decide to use Eclipse STP as our preferred SOA development
> solution, is there a runtime environment you would recommend?
>
> There is for example JBoss or Apache Axis + Apache ServiceMix + PXE. Is
> there one environment which works best with STP regarding the
> combination of BPMN (transformation to BPEL required), SCA, JBI etc.?
>
> Greetings
>
> Michael

Concerning SCA, I suggest Apache Tuscany [0] (or Frascati [1] for
research purpose).
I lack perspective concerning the other runtimes (durability,
reliability, coverage of the specifications).

Stéphane Drapeau
Obeo

[0]: http://tuscany.apache.org/home.html
[1]: http://www.scorware.org/
Re: Open Source SOA environment for STP [message #619042 is a reply to message #619033] Tue, 09 September 2008 07:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oisin Hurley is currently offline Oisin Hurley
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Disclaimer: my company makes the open source distribution that I mention
below

You could check FUSE - http://open.iona.com/ - which contains tested and
bundled versions
of Apache ServiceMix, Apache ActiveMQ, Apache Camel and Apache CXF.

best regards
Oisin
Re: Open Source SOA environment for STP [message #619043 is a reply to message #619042] Tue, 09 September 2008 07:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: michael.gebhart.googlemail.com

Hi thank you all for your answers,

didn't know about FUSE. Sounds interesting too. Ok, obviously there
isn't the one solution that works better with STP than another.

I am very curious about the decision we will make in the next
weeks/month. We decided to replace our proprietary SOA solution with
complete Open Source products.

Greetings

Michael


>
> Disclaimer: my company makes the open source distribution that I
> mention below
>
> You could check FUSE - http://open.iona.com/ - which contains tested and
> bundled versions
> of Apache ServiceMix, Apache ActiveMQ, Apache Camel and Apache CXF.
>
> best regards
> Oisin
>
>
>
Re: Open Source SOA environment for STP [message #619048 is a reply to message #619033] Tue, 09 September 2008 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Andrea Zoppello is currently offline Andrea Zoppello
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Registered: July 2009
Member
Michael Gebhart wrote:

> Hi,

> if we decide to use Eclipse STP as our preferred SOA development
> solution, is there a runtime environment you would recommend?

> There is for example JBoss or Apache Axis + Apache ServiceMix + PXE. Is
> there one environment which works best with STP regarding the
> combination of BPMN (transformation to BPEL required), SCA, JBI etc.?

> Greetings

> Michael
Hi Michael,

Sorry i give the following response to the wrong thread.
By the way take a look at spagic here http://spagic.org

It's a project based on stp intermediate model. Basically you could

1) start to model your process at high level with bpmn modeler,

2) than you could annotate the bpmn diagram with jbi services, and then
generate
3) Generate the intermediate model and
4) then get a running service assembly for servicemix.

3) Keep monitored your process execution with spagic console.


The first three features are provided to you by eclipse stp, the code
generator is spagic stuff.
The good thing is that spagic stuff is LGPL licensed.

Andrea
Re: Open Source SOA environment for STP [message #619542 is a reply to message #619043] Fri, 12 September 2008 05:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oisin Hurley is currently offline Oisin Hurley
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Michael Gebhart wrote:
> I am very curious about the decision we will make in the next
> weeks/month. We decided to replace our proprietary SOA solution with
> complete Open Source products.

That's cool - Open Source is the way to go for your plumbing
needs :) There's a lot out there. One thing that's pretty important
if you are moving on is keeping in mind the skills of your
developers. If you are replacing your existing SOA gear with
new, no doubt you are looking for longevity in the new approach
and you want to keep your developer hiring and education costs
down.

From the STP point of view I'm very interested in knowing what
the different types of developers/analysts/etc that you have with
your current approach. This would be good information for us
when we are thinking about filling-out and expanding the project.

Do you have information that you could share?

To find out some more about FUSE, you could sign up for the
forums at http://open.iona.com/forums/index.jspa and take
a look at the conversations that are going on there!

best regards
Oisin
Re: Open Source SOA environment for STP [message #619544 is a reply to message #619542] Thu, 18 September 2008 04:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: michael.gebhart.googlemail.com

Hi Oisin,

I am working at the university. We are doing research in the context of
service oriented architectures. Thus the switch from commercial to open
source soa tools vendors especially affects our students who do
practical courses and learn how to develop service oriented solutions.

We teach our students the soa development process, beginning with
process modeling, service design and development, deploying in
application servers etc.

Greetings

Michael
Re: Open Source SOA environment for STP [message #619552 is a reply to message #619544] Thu, 18 September 2008 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Oisin Hurley is currently offline Oisin Hurley
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Registered: July 2009
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Michael Gebhart wrote:

> I am working at the university. We are doing research in the context of
> service oriented architectures. Thus the switch from commercial to open
> source soa tools vendors especially affects our students who do
> practical courses and learn how to develop service oriented solutions.

Open source software can be a great help to teaching organizations.

Also, teaching organizations can be a great help to Open Source software :)
It's often the case that students can make really good contributions to
Open Source projects - for example as part of the Google Summer of Code
initiative (we had experience of this in the IM component this year).

best regards
Oisin
Re: Open Source SOA environment for STP [message #620077 is a reply to message #619552] Thu, 18 September 2008 12:30 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: michael.gebhart.googlemail.com

Hi Oisin,

yup there are advantages :) We will see. We are still at the beginning
of our decision process.

Greetings

Michael
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