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New CVS? [message #59357] Sat, 18 October 2003 21:22 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: derisor.arcor.de

Lets face it, CVS is an OLD product. Furthermore, the development of CVS is
almost dead having few releases in recent years. At least this is my opinion.

What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to what
they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace CVS using
Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a build
utility (for good reason).

I am curious about the following questions:

1) What do you think about the idea?

2) What lessons do you think can be learned from CVS? Things done badly, not
done at all, etc.

3) What features in CVS do you believe should be deprecated and why?

4) What features would you like to see in a replacement to CVS that currently
are not available in CVS?

And for the Apache Folk:

5) Would you consider this an interesting project for ASF?

I look forward to your answers and comments.

-- Kraythe
Re: New CVS? [message #59382 is a reply to message #59357] Sun, 19 October 2003 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: daniel.megert.gmx.net

Robert Simmons wrote:

>Lets face it, CVS is an OLD product. Furthermore, the development of CVS is
>almost dead having few releases in recent years. At least this is my opinion.
>
>What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to what
>they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace CVS using
>Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a build
>utility (for good reason).
>
>
I suggest to take a look at the existing Eclipse technology project
"Stellation"

http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/indextech.cgi/%7Echeckout%7E/ org.eclipse.stellation/main.html

Dani

>I am curious about the following questions:
>
>1) What do you think about the idea?
>
>2) What lessons do you think can be learned from CVS? Things done badly, not
>done at all, etc.
>
>3) What features in CVS do you believe should be deprecated and why?
>
>4) What features would you like to see in a replacement to CVS that currently
>are not available in CVS?
>
>And for the Apache Folk:
>
>5) Would you consider this an interesting project for ASF?
>
>I look forward to your answers and comments.
>
>-- Kraythe
>
>
>
>
Re: New CVS? [message #59431 is a reply to message #59357] Mon, 20 October 2003 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: bob.news.gmx.net

"Robert Simmons" <derisor@arcor.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:bmsate$8ec$1@eclipse.org...
> Lets face it, CVS is an OLD product. Furthermore, the development of CVS
is
> almost dead having few releases in recent years. At least this is my
opinion.
>
> What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to
what
> they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace CVS
using
> Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a
build
> utility (for good reason).
>
> I am curious about the following questions:
>
> 1) What do you think about the idea?
>
> 2) What lessons do you think can be learned from CVS? Things done badly,
not
> done at all, etc.
>
> 3) What features in CVS do you believe should be deprecated and why?
>
> 4) What features would you like to see in a replacement to CVS that
currently
> are not available in CVS?
>
> And for the Apache Folk:
>
> 5) Would you consider this an interesting project for ASF?
>
> I look forward to your answers and comments.

You're not the first one to notice certain shortcomings... See
http://subversion.tigris.org/

robert
Re: New CVS? [message #59768 is a reply to message #59431] Mon, 17 November 2003 14:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sundar Narasimhan is currently offline Sundar NarasimhanFriend
Messages: 7
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
I agree it might be a good idea. (I especially want directory level
versioning -- ever since I started working with Java -- since w/out such
a thing it becomes hard to version "packages" and "collections of
packages". CVS is antiquated because it only has file level versioning
and it's tagging scheme is not suitable for large scale projects).

Unfortunately, there seem to be fragmentation in the "what's next after
CVS".. too many good people are not all getting together -- instead they
all seem to be branching off and re-inventing (or attempting to
re-invent) the whole problem.

Which to me seems a shame. CVS evolved from RCS .. why can't we
incrementally improve CVS to CVS-ng w/ a core set of operations that
people really need :)

Thanks.

Robert Klemme wrote:
> "Robert Simmons" <derisor@arcor.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:bmsate$8ec$1@eclipse.org...
>
>>Lets face it, CVS is an OLD product. Furthermore, the development of CVS
>
> is
>
>>almost dead having few releases in recent years. At least this is my
>
> opinion.
>
>>What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to
>
> what
>
>>they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace CVS
>
> using
>
>>Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a
>
> build
>
>>utility (for good reason).
>>
>>I am curious about the following questions:
>>
>>1) What do you think about the idea?
>>
>>2) What lessons do you think can be learned from CVS? Things done badly,
>
> not
>
>>done at all, etc.
>>
>>3) What features in CVS do you believe should be deprecated and why?
>>
>>4) What features would you like to see in a replacement to CVS that
>
> currently
>
>>are not available in CVS?
>>
>>And for the Apache Folk:
>>
>>5) Would you consider this an interesting project for ASF?
>>
>>I look forward to your answers and comments.
>
>
> You're not the first one to notice certain shortcomings... See
> http://subversion.tigris.org/
>
> robert
>
Re: New CVS? [message #59940 is a reply to message #59357] Thu, 04 December 2003 23:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gregg Wonderly is currently offline Gregg WonderlyFriend
Messages: 12
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
"Robert Simmons" <derisor@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:bmsate$8ec$1@eclipse.org...
> Lets face it, CVS is an OLD product. Furthermore, the development of CVS
is
> almost dead having few releases in recent years. At least this is my
opinion.
>
> What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to
what
> they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace CVS
using
> Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a build
> utility (for good reason).

The easiest thing to do for yourself is to go download perforce from
www.perforce.com and use it. It's fast, safe, and works flawlessly from my
perspective. If you want a bigger group to use it, then buy some licenses,
support the developers there, and you'll have a win-win situation.

It's "Free, as in beer", until you have a company that is making money, and
then they can "Pay, as in money" for some licenses and then the perforce
crowd can go have some beer!
Re: New CVS? [message #62362 is a reply to message #59357] Sun, 04 April 2004 03:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: nedim.codemonkeys.org

> What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to
> what they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace
> CVS using Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make
> as a build utility (for good reason).
>
> I am curious about the following questions:
>
> 1) What do you think about the idea?

Getting to stable production ready SCM system is going to take several years
of hard work. Nobody wants to use buggy system. I guess thats why most
people prefere (in many ways inadequate) CVS.

Why reinvent the wheel and spread reasorces thin? Join the Subversion
project, they seem to be on the right track.

> 4) What features would you like to see in a replacement to CVS that
> currently are not available in CVS?

Support for rename and move. Directory versioning. Real locking support.
Re: New CVS? [message #62409 is a reply to message #62362] Sun, 04 April 2004 17:14 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: hdq.nospamat.adinet.com.uy

Nedim Cholich wrote:

>> What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to
>> what they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace
>> CVS using Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make
>> as a build utility (for good reason).
>
> Why reinvent the wheel and spread reasorces thin? Join the Subversion
> project, they seem to be on the right track.

The URL for it is:

http://subversion.tigris.org

You may also find this interesting:

Eclipse client for Subversion:

http://subclipse.tigris.org

Linux GUI client for Subversion:

http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/

Windows GUI client for Subversion:

http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/

Greetings,

Héctor
Re: New CVS? [message #595836 is a reply to message #59357] Sun, 19 October 2003 17:46 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: daniel.megert.gmx.net

Robert Simmons wrote:

>Lets face it, CVS is an OLD product. Furthermore, the development of CVS is
>almost dead having few releases in recent years. At least this is my opinion.
>
>What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to what
>they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace CVS using
>Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a build
>utility (for good reason).
>
>
I suggest to take a look at the existing Eclipse technology project
"Stellation"

http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/indextech.cgi/%7Echeckout%7E/ org.eclipse.stellation/main.html

Dani

>I am curious about the following questions:
>
>1) What do you think about the idea?
>
>2) What lessons do you think can be learned from CVS? Things done badly, not
>done at all, etc.
>
>3) What features in CVS do you believe should be deprecated and why?
>
>4) What features would you like to see in a replacement to CVS that currently
>are not available in CVS?
>
>And for the Apache Folk:
>
>5) Would you consider this an interesting project for ASF?
>
>I look forward to your answers and comments.
>
>-- Kraythe
>
>
>
>
Re: New CVS? [message #595854 is a reply to message #59357] Mon, 20 October 2003 13:36 Go to previous message
Robert Klemme is currently offline Robert KlemmeFriend
Messages: 14
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
"Robert Simmons" <derisor@arcor.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:bmsate$8ec$1@eclipse.org...
> Lets face it, CVS is an OLD product. Furthermore, the development of CVS
is
> almost dead having few releases in recent years. At least this is my
opinion.
>
> What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to
what
> they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace CVS
using
> Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a
build
> utility (for good reason).
>
> I am curious about the following questions:
>
> 1) What do you think about the idea?
>
> 2) What lessons do you think can be learned from CVS? Things done badly,
not
> done at all, etc.
>
> 3) What features in CVS do you believe should be deprecated and why?
>
> 4) What features would you like to see in a replacement to CVS that
currently
> are not available in CVS?
>
> And for the Apache Folk:
>
> 5) Would you consider this an interesting project for ASF?
>
> I look forward to your answers and comments.

You're not the first one to notice certain shortcomings... See
http://subversion.tigris.org/

robert
Re: New CVS? [message #595987 is a reply to message #59431] Mon, 17 November 2003 14:25 Go to previous message
Sundar Narasimhan is currently offline Sundar NarasimhanFriend
Messages: 7
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
I agree it might be a good idea. (I especially want directory level
versioning -- ever since I started working with Java -- since w/out such
a thing it becomes hard to version "packages" and "collections of
packages". CVS is antiquated because it only has file level versioning
and it's tagging scheme is not suitable for large scale projects).

Unfortunately, there seem to be fragmentation in the "what's next after
CVS".. too many good people are not all getting together -- instead they
all seem to be branching off and re-inventing (or attempting to
re-invent) the whole problem.

Which to me seems a shame. CVS evolved from RCS .. why can't we
incrementally improve CVS to CVS-ng w/ a core set of operations that
people really need :)

Thanks.

Robert Klemme wrote:
> "Robert Simmons" <derisor@arcor.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:bmsate$8ec$1@eclipse.org...
>
>>Lets face it, CVS is an OLD product. Furthermore, the development of CVS
>
> is
>
>>almost dead having few releases in recent years. At least this is my
>
> opinion.
>
>>What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to
>
> what
>
>>they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace CVS
>
> using
>
>>Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a
>
> build
>
>>utility (for good reason).
>>
>>I am curious about the following questions:
>>
>>1) What do you think about the idea?
>>
>>2) What lessons do you think can be learned from CVS? Things done badly,
>
> not
>
>>done at all, etc.
>>
>>3) What features in CVS do you believe should be deprecated and why?
>>
>>4) What features would you like to see in a replacement to CVS that
>
> currently
>
>>are not available in CVS?
>>
>>And for the Apache Folk:
>>
>>5) Would you consider this an interesting project for ASF?
>>
>>I look forward to your answers and comments.
>
>
> You're not the first one to notice certain shortcomings... See
> http://subversion.tigris.org/
>
> robert
>
Re: New CVS? [message #596046 is a reply to message #59357] Thu, 04 December 2003 23:50 Go to previous message
Gregg Wonderly is currently offline Gregg WonderlyFriend
Messages: 12
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
"Robert Simmons" <derisor@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:bmsate$8ec$1@eclipse.org...
> Lets face it, CVS is an OLD product. Furthermore, the development of CVS
is
> almost dead having few releases in recent years. At least this is my
opinion.
>
> What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to
what
> they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace CVS
using
> Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make as a build
> utility (for good reason).

The easiest thing to do for yourself is to go download perforce from
www.perforce.com and use it. It's fast, safe, and works flawlessly from my
perspective. If you want a bigger group to use it, then buy some licenses,
support the developers there, and you'll have a win-win situation.

It's "Free, as in beer", until you have a company that is making money, and
then they can "Pay, as in money" for some licenses and then the perforce
crowd can go have some beer!
Re: New CVS? [message #596989 is a reply to message #59357] Sun, 04 April 2004 03:53 Go to previous message
Nedim Cholich is currently offline Nedim CholichFriend
Messages: 11
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
> What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to
> what they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace
> CVS using Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make
> as a build utility (for good reason).
>
> I am curious about the following questions:
>
> 1) What do you think about the idea?

Getting to stable production ready SCM system is going to take several years
of hard work. Nobody wants to use buggy system. I guess thats why most
people prefere (in many ways inadequate) CVS.

Why reinvent the wheel and spread reasorces thin? Join the Subversion
project, they seem to be on the right track.

> 4) What features would you like to see in a replacement to CVS that
> currently are not available in CVS?

Support for rename and move. Directory versioning. Real locking support.
Re: New CVS? [message #597020 is a reply to message #62362] Sun, 04 April 2004 17:14 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: hdq.nospamat.adinet.com.uy

Nedim Cholich wrote:

>> What I am doing in polling the community of open source developers as to
>> what they think. I am seriously considering starting a project to replace
>> CVS using Java technology in the way that Ant has virtually replaced make
>> as a build utility (for good reason).
>
> Why reinvent the wheel and spread reasorces thin? Join the Subversion
> project, they seem to be on the right track.

The URL for it is:

http://subversion.tigris.org

You may also find this interesting:

Eclipse client for Subversion:

http://subclipse.tigris.org

Linux GUI client for Subversion:

http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/

Windows GUI client for Subversion:

http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/

Greetings,

Héctor
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