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RE: [stp-newsgroup] from IRD today [message #571316] Fri, 13 January 2006 00:00
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Dan, I am new to eclipse process. If Eclipse has a standard build system =
that every project is mandatory to use then it totally makes sense to =
use the same system for STP as well. But if individual projects can =
adopt different ones then worth looking into Maven.
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- Adi
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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Berg [mailto:danberg@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:17 PM
To: Gateway between eclipse.stp and stp-newsgroup
Subject: RE: [stp-newsgroup] from IRD today



I am against using maven for the build system. Maven is a wise choice =
for these runtime projects. For eclipse projects there is no reason we =
should not be using the eclipsed based builds which read the manifest =
information. I don't know of any eclipse project that isn't using the =
eclipse build process.=20

Regards,
Dan





"Sakala, Adinarayana" <ASAKALA@iona.com>=20
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> 1. get a concrete proposal for our build system before the=20
> IRC next weeks IRC
I would like to strongly recommend using Maven 2 for build system.
Both Tuscany and Celtix projects are using maven and i assume it will be =
a good logical thing to use.

thanks,
Adi=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trieloff, Carl=20
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:50 PM
> To: Gateway between eclipse.stp and stp-newsgroup
> Subject: [stp-newsgroup] from IRD today
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> Two actions from IRC today.
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> 1. get a concrete proposal for our build system before the=20
> IRC next weeks IRC
> 2. Get the basic pages up for STP project on eclipse.org
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> Regards
> Carl.
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> [12:03] cctrieloff: It does not seem that everyone got the=20
> details for the IRC today.
> [12:04] cctrieloff: We will wait a few minutes and then get started
> [12:05] cctrieloff: did you get it from the list?
> [12:05] rmarins: I'm fine. yes, I got from the newsgroup
> [12:05] cctrieloff: great, I have 4 guys on the phone, that=20
> could get onto IRC, so I will act as the bridge
> [12:06] rmarins: it'll hard for you, but let's see how works
> [12:07] cctrieloff: have you got your committer setup back=20
> from the eclipse EMO for STP yet?
> [12:08] rmarins: yep, i sent agreements by fax yesterday=20
> morning, and filled up the questionary by today
> [12:09] rmarins: i mean, on my side it's almost done. I'm=20
> waiting for my account
> [12:09] cctrieloff: Seems to be the common state that we are=20
> all still waiting for accounts.
> [12:10] cctrieloff: I have been testing the dev lists and=20
> they have not yet come live, however I expect that CVS might be up
> [12:12] cctrieloff: For the build system we have 3 options
> [12:13] cctrieloff: we have the option form ObjectWeb, from=20
> Adrian and then a maven setup for build
> [12:14] cctrieloff: what we want to do is have all options=20
> for the build system discussed by the end of next week, and=20
> the we will set a team up to get a hello world building,=20
> build the tests, run the test and the coverage
> [12:15] cctrieloff: that sound reasonable?
> [12:15] DavidBosschaert: Sounds great!
> [12:16] cctrieloff: As an action we ask for all those that=20
> want to be involved in buildset to self identify and pitch in=20
> over the next week in working that out
> [12:16] rmarins: looks good, however I miss the point=20
> regarding the ObjectWeb option and from Adrian
> [12:17] cctrieloff: Someone form ObjectWeb has said that they=20
> would like to be involved and had some ideas around this area
> [12:17] cctrieloff: The goal will be to have a proposal to=20
> implement for the IRC next week
> [12:18] cctrieloff: Talking about the creation of the Website
> [12:19] cctrieloff: What I was thinking was to copy the basic=20
> structure from WTP for home, about , committer page and CVS=20
> questions etc
> [12:20] cctrieloff: I will then place our charter
> [12:21] cctrieloff: and then we will build the STP specific=20
> content form there, all ok with that?
> [12:21] DavidBosschaert: Sounds like a good starting point.
> [12:22] rmarins: yep. just remember: including subprojects sections
> [12:23] cctrieloff: are you saying we should include the=20
> subprojects in the initial setup of the page?
> [12:25] rmarins: yes, subprojects description. thus, we setup=20
> each subproject specific pages=20
> [12:25] cctrieloff: I think that we might want get the=20
> project text reviewed by a larger group.
> [12:25] cctrieloff: ok just the subprojects and a basic=20
> description, then add the pages behind that with group review?
> [12:25] rmarins: yes, that's right!
> [12:27] cctrieloff: we have closed the audio. We will action=20
> these two items for next week while we wait out lists and CVS=20
> from the EMO
> [12:28] rmarins: good. until there, discussions go under the=20
> current newsgroups, right?
> [12:29] cctrieloff: correct
> [12:29] cctrieloff: I will post this to the news list
> [12:29] rmarins: great
> _______________________________________________
> stp-newsgroup mailing list
> stp-newsgroup@eclipse.org
> https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/stp-newsgroup
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size=3D2>Dan, I am new to=20
eclipse process. If Eclipse has a standard build system that every =
project is=20
mandatory to use then it totally makes sense to use the same system for =
STP as=20
well. But if individual projects can adopt different ones then worth =
looking=20
into Maven.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Adi</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Daniel Berg=20
[mailto:danberg@us.ibm.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 12, 2006 =
4:17=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Gateway between eclipse.stp and=20
stp-newsgroup<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [stp-newsgroup] from IRD=20
today<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR><FONT face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2>I am =
against using=20
maven for the build system. &nbsp;Maven is a wise choice for these =
runtime=20
projects. &nbsp;For eclipse projects there is no reason we should not =
be using=20
the eclipsed based builds which read the manifest information. &nbsp;I =
don't=20
know of any eclipse project that isn't using the eclipse build =
process.</FONT>=20
<BR><BR><FONT face=3Dsans-serif=20
size=3D2>Regards,<BR>Dan<BR><BR></FONT><BR><BR><BR>
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size=3D2><TT>&gt; 1. get a concrete proposal for our build system =
before the=20
<BR>&gt; IRC next weeks IRC<BR>I would like to strongly recommend =
using Maven=20
2 for build system.<BR>Both Tuscany and Celtix projects are using =
maven and i=20
assume it will be a good logical thing to use.<BR><BR>thanks,<BR>Adi=20
<BR><BR>&gt; -----Original Message-----<BR>&gt; From: Trieloff, Carl =
<BR>&gt;=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:50 PM<BR>&gt; To: Gateway between =

eclipse.stp and stp-newsgroup<BR>&gt; Subject: [stp-newsgroup] from =
IRD=20
today<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Two actions from IRC =

today.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 1. get a concrete proposal for our build =
system before=20
the <BR>&gt; IRC next weeks IRC<BR>&gt; 2. Get the basic pages up for =
STP=20
project on eclipse.org<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Regards<BR>&gt; Carl.<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; [12:03] cctrieloff: It does not seem that =
everyone=20
got the <BR>&gt; details for the IRC today.<BR>&gt; [12:04] =
cctrieloff: We=20
will wait a few minutes and then get started<BR>&gt; [12:05] =
cctrieloff: did=20
you get it from the list?<BR>&gt; [12:05] rmarins: I'm fine. yes, I =
got from=20
the newsgroup<BR>&gt; [12:05] cctrieloff: great, I have 4 guys on the =
phone,=20
that <BR>&gt; could get onto IRC, so I will act as the bridge<BR>&gt; =
[12:06]=20
rmarins: it'll hard for you, but let's see how works<BR>&gt; [12:07]=20
cctrieloff: have you got your committer setup back <BR>&gt; from the =
eclipse=20
EMO for STP yet?<BR>&gt; [12:08] rmarins: yep, i sent agreements by =
fax=20
yesterday <BR>&gt; morning, and filled up the questionary by =
today<BR>&gt;=20
[12:09] rmarins: i mean, on my side it's almost done. I'm <BR>&gt; =
waiting for=20
my account<BR>&gt; [12:09] cctrieloff: Seems to be the common state =
that we=20
are <BR>&gt; all still waiting for accounts.<BR>&gt; [12:10] =
cctrieloff: I=20
have been testing the dev lists and <BR>&gt; they have not yet come =
live,=20
however I expect that CVS might be up<BR>&gt; [12:12] cctrieloff: For =
the=20
build system we have 3 options<BR>&gt; [12:13] cctrieloff: we have the =
option=20
form ObjectWeb, from <BR>&gt; Adrian and then a maven setup for =
build<BR>&gt;=20
[12:14] cctrieloff: what we want to do is have all options <BR>&gt; =
for the=20
build system discussed by the end of next week, and <BR>&gt; the we =
will set a=20
team up to get a hello world building, <BR>&gt; build the tests, run =
the test=20
and the coverage<BR>&gt; [12:15] cctrieloff: that sound =
reasonable?<BR>&gt;=20
[12:15] DavidBosschaert: Sounds great!<BR>&gt; [12:16] cctrieloff: As =
an=20
action we ask for all those that <BR>&gt; want to be involved in =
buildset to=20
self identify and pitch in <BR>&gt; over the next week in working that =

out<BR>&gt; [12:16] rmarins: looks good, however I miss the point =
<BR>&gt;=20
regarding the ObjectWeb option and from Adrian<BR>&gt; [12:17] =
cctrieloff:=20
Someone form ObjectWeb has said that they <BR>&gt; would like to be =
involved=20
and had some ideas around this area<BR>&gt; [12:17] cctrieloff: The =
goal will=20
be to have a proposal to <BR>&gt; implement for the IRC next =
week<BR>&gt;=20
[12:18] cctrieloff: Talking about the creation of the Website<BR>&gt; =
[12:19]=20
cctrieloff: What I was thinking was to copy the basic <BR>&gt; =
structure from=20
WTP for home, about , committer page and CVS <BR>&gt; questions =
etc<BR>&gt;=20
[12:20] cctrieloff: I will then place our charter<BR>&gt; [12:21] =
cctrieloff:=20
and then we will build the STP specific <BR>&gt; content form there, =
all ok=20
with that?<BR>&gt; [12:21] DavidBosschaert: Sounds like a good =
starting=20
point.<BR>&gt; [12:22] rmarins: yep. just remember: including =
subprojects=20
sections<BR>&gt; [12:23] cctrieloff: are you saying we should include =
the=20
<BR>&gt; subprojects in the initial setup of the page?<BR>&gt; [12:25] =

rmarins: yes, subprojects description. thus, we setup <BR>&gt; each =
subproject=20
specific pages <BR>&gt; [12:25] cctrieloff: I think that we might want =
get the=20
<BR>&gt; project text reviewed by a larger group.<BR>&gt; [12:25] =
cctrieloff:=20
ok just the subprojects and a basic <BR>&gt; description, then add the =
pages=20
behind that with group review?<BR>&gt; [12:25] rmarins: yes, that's=20
right!<BR>&gt; [12:27] cctrieloff: we have closed the audio. We will =
action=20
<BR>&gt; these two items for next week while we wait out lists and CVS =

<BR>&gt; from the EMO<BR>&gt; [12:28] rmarins: good. until there, =
discussions=20
go under the <BR>&gt; current newsgroups, right?<BR>&gt; [12:29] =
cctrieloff:=20
correct<BR>&gt; [12:29] cctrieloff: I will post this to the news =
list<BR>&gt;=20
[12:29] rmarins: great<BR>&gt;=20
_______________________________________________<BR>&gt; stp-newsgroup =
mailing=20
list<BR>&gt; stp-newsgroup@eclipse.org<BR>&gt;=20
https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/stp-newsgroup<BR>&gt;=20
<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>stp-newsgroup =
mailing=20
=
list<BR>stp-newsgroup@eclipse.org<BR>https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/list=
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