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How could an anxious developer get involved with this project? [message #3254] Thu, 29 November 2007 10:40 Go to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: donnie.mcneal.gmail.com

I have been waiting for a "promising" eclipse maven integration. I have
been playing with netbeans alot recently because of their maven support,
but I really like eclipse and use it the majority of the time.

This seems like the most promising maven eclipse integration project and
I would love to see it succeed and provide a high quality integration
with eclipse. How would an ambitious developer (like myself :) ) go
about poking in the code, testing, submitting defects and actually get
my voice heard?

I guess the real question is if I grab the source code and start poking
around is there an avenue where I can submit fixes and/or a list of
things that need testing, etc...?

Hopefully I am making sense :).

Cheers,
Donnie
Re: How could an anxious developer get involved with this project? [message #3289 is a reply to message #3254] Thu, 29 November 2007 16:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
Messages: 505
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Donnie McNeal wrote:
> This seems like the most promising maven eclipse integration project
Donnie, out of curiosity, can you please elaborate on "most promising"
part? What is your criteria for that?

regards,
Eugene
Re: How could an anxious developer get involved with this project? [message #3322 is a reply to message #3289] Thu, 29 November 2007 20:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: donnie.mcneal.gmail.com

Eugene,

If I am not mistaken I think you are the main developer for the m2eclipse
project. For the most part I was very pleased with the m2eclipse plugin
for resovling dependencies and setting up my maven projects in eclipse. My
"most promising" comment had more to do with the endorsement by the
Eclipse Foundation rather than what plugin is better than the other. I am
thinking since Eclipse is considering IAM as an Eclipse Project it might
become a more polished product the quickest. I do not know if those are
the correct assumptions to make.

I have used the m2eclipse plugin, but after using the maven plugin for
NetBeans I almost switched environments. One of the main things that I
thought the m2eclipse plugin was missing was support for web projects.
Another, feature that I was missing was the ability to run unit test with
the resources defined in my test folder (i.e. test/resouces/db.properties)
through the eclipse junit mechanism. Since the classpath entry had the
main/resources/db.properties it would not read my test stuff. Little
things like that. Lastly, it seemed like the development cycle dragged a
bit. I know open source projects (are on a voluntary basis for the most
part) so some lagging can be expected, but it seemed a little long IMO.


All I really want is a good maven eclipse integration. I don't have any
preference as long as it works. I finally have some free time that I
could spend here and there with an open source project. I have never
really been involved with one, but I am looking to start.

Hopefully I cleared some stuff up. If any of the issues I stated are on
your roadmap I am more than willing to see if I can be of assistance. :)

Thanks,
Donnie
Re: How could an anxious developer get involved with this project? [message #3354 is a reply to message #3322] Thu, 29 November 2007 20:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
Messages: 505
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Donnie wrote:
> If I am not mistaken I think you are the main developer for the
> m2eclipse project.
That is correct.
> My "most promising" comment had more to do with the endorsement by the
> Eclipse Foundation rather than what plugin is better than the other. I
> am thinking since Eclipse is considering IAM as an Eclipse Project it
> might become a more polished product the quickest. I do not know if
> those are the correct assumptions to make.
It depends. The Eclipse foundation don't really make any product
decisions neither polish any components, not it provide any development
resources to any project. Though Foundation does provide help with the
infrastructure, marketing and legal/ip issues as well as some
cross-project coordination. It also put certain policy on the product
releases (can be good and bad at the same time, but certainly can reduce
some flexibility for the project).

So, at the end of the day it is the project's team responsibility to
deliver and polish their stuff. Community can help a little (as long as
it comply with Eclipse IP process), but general project direction and
project maintenance is a heavy duty job of the project team and all in
all it completely depends on their commitment and dedication to the
project, usually it require team to work on the project nearly
full-time. In other words there is a commercial vendor who is sponsoring
that work, so there is a risk that project can be used to muscle in
vendor's own interests (that is why it is a good idea to have more then
one vendor leading project).

regards,
Eugene
Re: How could an anxious developer get involved with this project? [message #3388 is a reply to message #3254] Thu, 29 November 2007 23:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Abel Mui is currently offline Abel Mui
Messages: 247
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hello Donnie,

Donnie McNeal wrote:
> I have been playing with netbeans alot recently because of their maven
> support
[...]
> How would an ambitious developer (like myself :) ) go
> about poking in the code, testing, submitting defects and actually get
> my voice heard?

It's nice to meet ambitious developers :).

IAM is a proposal to the Eclipse Foundation that will incorporate the
code from q4e (http://code.google.com/p/q4e/), so that's probably where
you need to look. The wiki contains information about getting the code and
setting up your development environment. Don't forget to join the user's
list.

Your experience with maven support in Netbeans will be very welcome to
suggest enhancements and future work.

> I guess the real question is if I grab the source code and start poking
> around is there an avenue where I can submit fixes and/or a list of
> things that need testing, etc...?

Sure, there's an issue tracker for q4e. Depending on the size of your
contributions, you will be need to sign a committer agreement (I did, it's
not painful :) ) in order to comply with Eclipse's IP process.

Thanks for your interest!
Re: How could an anxious developer get involved with this project? [message #3555 is a reply to message #3322] Fri, 30 November 2007 13:25 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: dserodio.gmail.com

Donnie wrote:

[snip]

> One of the main things that I
> thought the m2eclipse plugin was missing was support for web projects.
> Another, feature that I was missing was the ability to run unit test
> with the resources defined in my test folder (i.e.
> test/resouces/db.properties) through the eclipse junit mechanism. Since
> the classpath entry had the main/resources/db.properties it would not
> read my test stuff.

I'm a m2eclipse user, and those are my main complaints about it too. I'm
almost giving up on using Maven for Eclipse projects because of these.

> Little things like that. Lastly, it seemed like the
> development cycle dragged a bit. I know open source projects (are on a
> voluntary basis for the most part) so some lagging can be expected, but
> it seemed a little long IMO.

I have to agree here. There was a huge void between 0.10 and 0.11. IMHO,
more frequent releases (even if they have fewer improvements or
features) is better.

Just my R$ 0,02 :-)

Regards,
Daniel Serodio
Re: How could an anxious developer get involved with this project? [message #564436 is a reply to message #3254] Thu, 29 November 2007 16:10 Go to previous message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
Messages: 505
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Donnie McNeal wrote:
> This seems like the most promising maven eclipse integration project
Donnie, out of curiosity, can you please elaborate on "most promising"
part? What is your criteria for that?

regards,
Eugene
Re: How could an anxious developer get involved with this project? [message #564459 is a reply to message #3289] Thu, 29 November 2007 20:24 Go to previous message
Eclipse User
Originally posted by: donnie.mcneal.gmail.com

Eugene,

If I am not mistaken I think you are the main developer for the m2eclipse
project. For the most part I was very pleased with the m2eclipse plugin
for resovling dependencies and setting up my maven projects in eclipse. My
"most promising" comment had more to do with the endorsement by the
Eclipse Foundation rather than what plugin is better than the other. I am
thinking since Eclipse is considering IAM as an Eclipse Project it might
become a more polished product the quickest. I do not know if those are
the correct assumptions to make.

I have used the m2eclipse plugin, but after using the maven plugin for
NetBeans I almost switched environments. One of the main things that I
thought the m2eclipse plugin was missing was support for web projects.
Another, feature that I was missing was the ability to run unit test with
the resources defined in my test folder (i.e. test/resouces/db.properties)
through the eclipse junit mechanism. Since the classpath entry had the
main/resources/db.properties it would not read my test stuff. Little
things like that. Lastly, it seemed like the development cycle dragged a
bit. I know open source projects (are on a voluntary basis for the most
part) so some lagging can be expected, but it seemed a little long IMO.


All I really want is a good maven eclipse integration. I don't have any
preference as long as it works. I finally have some free time that I
could spend here and there with an open source project. I have never
really been involved with one, but I am looking to start.

Hopefully I cleared some stuff up. If any of the issues I stated are on
your roadmap I am more than willing to see if I can be of assistance. :)

Thanks,
Donnie
Re: How could an anxious developer get involved with this project? [message #564479 is a reply to message #3322] Thu, 29 November 2007 20:58 Go to previous message
Eugene Kuleshov is currently offline Eugene Kuleshov
Messages: 505
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Donnie wrote:
> If I am not mistaken I think you are the main developer for the
> m2eclipse project.
That is correct.
> My "most promising" comment had more to do with the endorsement by the
> Eclipse Foundation rather than what plugin is better than the other. I
> am thinking since Eclipse is considering IAM as an Eclipse Project it
> might become a more polished product the quickest. I do not know if
> those are the correct assumptions to make.
It depends. The Eclipse foundation don't really make any product
decisions neither polish any components, not it provide any development
resources to any project. Though Foundation does provide help with the
infrastructure, marketing and legal/ip issues as well as some
cross-project coordination. It also put certain policy on the product
releases (can be good and bad at the same time, but certainly can reduce
some flexibility for the project).

So, at the end of the day it is the project's team responsibility to
deliver and polish their stuff. Community can help a little (as long as
it comply with Eclipse IP process), but general project direction and
project maintenance is a heavy duty job of the project team and all in
all it completely depends on their commitment and dedication to the
project, usually it require team to work on the project nearly
full-time. In other words there is a commercial vendor who is sponsoring
that work, so there is a risk that project can be used to muscle in
vendor's own interests (that is why it is a good idea to have more then
one vendor leading project).

regards,
Eugene
Re: How could an anxious developer get involved with this project? [message #564498 is a reply to message #3254] Thu, 29 November 2007 23:14 Go to previous message
Abel Mui is currently offline Abel Mui
Messages: 247
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hello Donnie,

Donnie McNeal wrote:
> I have been playing with netbeans alot recently because of their maven
> support
[...]
> How would an ambitious developer (like myself :) ) go
> about poking in the code, testing, submitting defects and actually get
> my voice heard?

It's nice to meet ambitious developers :).

IAM is a proposal to the Eclipse Foundation that will incorporate the
code from q4e (http://code.google.com/p/q4e/), so that's probably where
you need to look. The wiki contains information about getting the code and
setting up your development environment. Don't forget to join the user's
list.

Your experience with maven support in Netbeans will be very welcome to
suggest enhancements and future work.

> I guess the real question is if I grab the source code and start poking
> around is there an avenue where I can submit fixes and/or a list of
> things that need testing, etc...?

Sure, there's an issue tracker for q4e. Depending on the size of your
contributions, you will be need to sign a committer agreement (I did, it's
not painful :) ) in order to comply with Eclipse's IP process.

Thanks for your interest!
Re: How could an anxious developer get involved with this project? [message #564621 is a reply to message #3322] Fri, 30 November 2007 13:25 Go to previous message
Daniel Serodio is currently offline Daniel Serodio
Messages: 14
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Donnie wrote:

[snip]

> One of the main things that I
> thought the m2eclipse plugin was missing was support for web projects.
> Another, feature that I was missing was the ability to run unit test
> with the resources defined in my test folder (i.e.
> test/resouces/db.properties) through the eclipse junit mechanism. Since
> the classpath entry had the main/resources/db.properties it would not
> read my test stuff.

I'm a m2eclipse user, and those are my main complaints about it too. I'm
almost giving up on using Maven for Eclipse projects because of these.

> Little things like that. Lastly, it seemed like the
> development cycle dragged a bit. I know open source projects (are on a
> voluntary basis for the most part) so some lagging can be expected, but
> it seemed a little long IMO.

I have to agree here. There was a huge void between 0.10 and 0.11. IMHO,
more frequent releases (even if they have fewer improvements or
features) is better.

Just my R$ 0,02 :-)

Regards,
Daniel Serodio
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