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some negative comments about Mylyn on InfoQ [message #33655]

Fri, 19 October 2007 18:55

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: beatmik.acm.org

We've had three bad comments about Mylyn on the following InfoQ post:

http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/10/mylyn

As per my comments there, as far as we know these problems are being
wrongly attributed to Mylyn. One issue is a bad interaction between an
unrefreshed workspace and Subclipse, and we'll deal with that one by
timing out extensions:

200220: Eclipse stops responding due to bad interaction between
Subclipse and task hyperlink detection
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=200220

The other appears to be other problems with Eclipse being attributed to
Mylyn due to innocuous warnings that Mylyn can put in the Error Log in
some startup scenarios. We'll be able to fix that for 2.2, but have
never had any indication of bad behavior that results.

188524: warnings on startup in Europa
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=188524

If others are seeing any of these sorts of problems, or has related
experiences to share, please let us know.

Mik

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Mik Kersten
Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylyn

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Re: some negative comments about Mylyn on InfoQ [message #33854 is a reply to message #33655]

Fri, 19 October 2007 21:45

Dave Syer

Messages: 95
Registered: July 2009

Member

I don't know if all those "freezes" comments are really attributable to
Mylyn, but I noticed the same thing when I started using it. If it isn't
Mylyn directly, I wouldn't be surprised to hear it was something that
integrates with Mylyn but badly (e.g. Subclipse).

People I know have given up in frustration with Mylyn when they were behind
a fascist firewall. Probably they could have got it working by just
tweaking a proxy or something. I'm not in that position so I can't say I
noticed.

Two observations:

* There is often a user operation that has to wait for a *long* time. E.g.
saving a source file will trigger a workspace build but instead of taking
half a second it takes 2 minutes. If you look at the progress indicator it
always looks like it's Mylyn "Synchronizing Tasks". If I am not on a fast
network (they do still exist you know) it is really very bad sometimes.

* The Eclipse status bar often says "Synchronizing Tasks" even when there is
nothing going on (as far as the progress view tells me). This I just
interprested as a stale message, but if anything else is slowing things down
it might just look like Mylyn in responsible when it isn't.

"Mik Kersten" <beatmik@acm.org> wrote in message
news:ffauio$uk5$1@build.eclipse.org...
>
> We've had three bad comments about Mylyn on the following InfoQ post:
>
> http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/10/mylyn
>

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Re: some negative comments about Mylyn on InfoQ [message #33995 is a reply to message #33854]

Sat, 20 October 2007 18:57

Willian Mitsuda

Messages: 27
Registered: July 2009

Junior Member

Hi Dave,

Dave Syer wrote:
> I don't know if all those "freezes" comments are really attributable to
> Mylyn, but I noticed the same thing when I started using it. If it isn't
> Mylyn directly, I wouldn't be surprised to hear it was something that
> integrates with Mylyn but badly (e.g. Subclipse).

I tried Subclipse some time ago, but I gave up because some operations
freeze the interface. I suppose (but I may be wrong) these are
operations that Subclipse would be doing in background, but are not.

I didn't do a more specific investigation, so I can't say if it is due
to some Subclipse + Mylyn combination.

> * There is often a user operation that has to wait for a *long* time. E.g.
> saving a source file will trigger a workspace build but instead of taking
> half a second it takes 2 minutes. If you look at the progress indicator it
> always looks like it's Mylyn "Synchronizing Tasks". If I am not on a fast
> network (they do still exist you know) it is really very bad sometimes.
>
> * The Eclipse status bar often says "Synchronizing Tasks" even when there is
> nothing going on (as far as the progress view tells me). This I just
> interprested as a stale message, but if anything else is slowing things down
> it might just look like Mylyn in responsible when it isn't.

Are you talking about "Synchronizing Queries"? I don't remember having
"Synchronizing Tasks".

*** BUT *** note that if you are talking about "Scanning for Tasks", it
is in fact a WTP bug
(https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=189276) commonly
mistakenly attributed to Mylyn
(https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=191621).

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Re: some negative comments about Mylyn on InfoQ [message #34955 is a reply to message #33854]

Sat, 03 November 2007 02:02

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: beatmik.acm.org

Thanks for this feedback Dave, that's very useful. We're making
performance and feedback problems, including the two that you mention, a
priority for Mylyn 2.2. There have already been fixes made in the
upcoming Weekly build and they will continue through the upcoming weekly
builds.

Mik

Dave Syer wrote:
> I don't know if all those "freezes" comments are really attributable to
> Mylyn, but I noticed the same thing when I started using it. If it isn't
> Mylyn directly, I wouldn't be surprised to hear it was something that
> integrates with Mylyn but badly (e.g. Subclipse).
>
> People I know have given up in frustration with Mylyn when they were behind
> a fascist firewall. Probably they could have got it working by just
> tweaking a proxy or something. I'm not in that position so I can't say I
> noticed.
>
> Two observations:
>
> * There is often a user operation that has to wait for a *long* time. E.g.
> saving a source file will trigger a workspace build but instead of taking
> half a second it takes 2 minutes. If you look at the progress indicator it
> always looks like it's Mylyn "Synchronizing Tasks". If I am not on a fast
> network (they do still exist you know) it is really very bad sometimes.
>
> * The Eclipse status bar often says "Synchronizing Tasks" even when there is
> nothing going on (as far as the progress view tells me). This I just
> interprested as a stale message, but if anything else is slowing things down
> it might just look like Mylyn in responsible when it isn't.
>
> "Mik Kersten" <beatmik@acm.org> wrote in message
> news:ffauio$uk5$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> We've had three bad comments about Mylyn on the following InfoQ post:
>>
>> http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/10/mylyn

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Re: some negative comments about Mylyn on InfoQ [message #583725 is a reply to message #33655]

Fri, 19 October 2007 21:45

Dave Syer

Messages: 95
Registered: July 2009

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Re: some negative comments about Mylyn on InfoQ [message #583742 is a reply to message #33854]

Sat, 20 October 2007 18:57

Willian Mitsuda

Messages: 27
Registered: July 2009

Junior Member

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Re: some negative comments about Mylyn on InfoQ [message #584191 is a reply to message #33854]

Sat, 03 November 2007 02:02

Mik Kersten

Messages: 287
Registered: July 2009

Senior Member

Thanks for this feedback Dave, that's very useful. We're making
performance and feedback problems, including the two that you mention, a
priority for Mylyn 2.2. There have already been fixes made in the
upcoming Weekly build and they will continue through the upcoming weekly
builds.

Mik

Dave Syer wrote:
> I don't know if all those "freezes" comments are really attributable to
> Mylyn, but I noticed the same thing when I started using it. If it isn't
> Mylyn directly, I wouldn't be surprised to hear it was something that
> integrates with Mylyn but badly (e.g. Subclipse).
>
> People I know have given up in frustration with Mylyn when they were behind
> a fascist firewall. Probably they could have got it working by just
> tweaking a proxy or something. I'm not in that position so I can't say I
> noticed.
>
> Two observations:
>
> * There is often a user operation that has to wait for a *long* time. E.g.
> saving a source file will trigger a workspace build but instead of taking
> half a second it takes 2 minutes. If you look at the progress indicator it
> always looks like it's Mylyn "Synchronizing Tasks". If I am not on a fast
> network (they do still exist you know) it is really very bad sometimes.
>
> * The Eclipse status bar often says "Synchronizing Tasks" even when there is
> nothing going on (as far as the progress view tells me). This I just
> interprested as a stale message, but if anything else is slowing things down
> it might just look like Mylyn in responsible when it isn't.
>
> "Mik Kersten" <beatmik@acm.org> wrote in message
> news:ffauio$uk5$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> We've had three bad comments about Mylyn on the following InfoQ post:
>>
>> http://www.infoq.com/news/2007/10/mylyn

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