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WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for January 27, 2009 Conference Call

WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for January 27, 2009 Conference Call

Call Info

Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030
Alternate: 770-615-1247
Access code: 173098#
Full list of phone numbers

Call Time: 1500 UTC


PMC Members

  • David Williams: Y
  • Naci Dai: N
  • Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y
  • Neil Hauge: Y
  • Tim deBoer: R
  • Kaloyan Raev: Y

Announcements and General Business

  • ATF: we are coming up on 1 year aniversary of "continuation review"

    PMC agreed a termination review was the right thing to do

  • Any interest in an XML Project? (that is a draft, tentative plan, not ready for distribution or submission).
  • Changes in personnel ... discussed.
  • Should we continue weekly PMC meetings? Weekly status meetings? That is, do you find value in them?

    Conclusion was "yes" keep them. Weekly status more important that weekly PMC meetings, but both valuable and should be kept. Provide good heartbeat and opportunity to keep current.

  • Discuss situation with EE 6 not finalizing ... teams are re-evaluating their plans.

Reports, Actions, Issues

Quality: Neil Hauge

  • Focus items in status meetings:

    It is be important for us to do by 'sub-project' to compare within our own WTP projects, as well as to other top level ones

  • Neil investigating a blanket "close old bugs" policy -- to present to the group for review and approval.
  • Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll prepare a table and note to send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like either triage individually and assign a target, or mark with 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still an issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).
  • Reference:

    Architecture: Tim deBoer

    • API Tools. Tim to investigate and make recommendations to teams.
    • Tim investigated API tools. There is a wizard that adds a builder to each plugin you select to add API tools support. There were some minor changes to move up to the tools (e.g. adding @noimplement javadoc tag) and taking a baseline, but it did catch missing @since tags, broken API, plugin versions that should be incremented, etc. Would recommend for 3.1 development.
    • Next step is to try with plugins that have more API issues, non-internal packages that shouldn't be public, etc. to see if the impact to development teams is acceptable.
    • Also need to investigate build impact.


    Education: Naci Dai

    Naci reports web pages for education materials are about ready. He is writing article, as deadline is in December. Raghu was only response he got for being interested in contributing too.

    Please review: Resource Page Proposal

    Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only one I found last published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles for "WTP Uncovered":

    1. web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)
    2. web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)
    3. enterprise application (jpa/ejb)
    4. soa, webservices
    5. adopters/extending (maybe)

    Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online version would be in English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one overview article less than 20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words

    Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week.

    New Bugzilla component created: "Education".

    We will publish education materials under Creative Commons -- Attribution Share Alike but still EPL for sample code, examples and snippets.


    Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan

    Raghu noted we should remind PLs to update plans every milestone.

    Planning Process Document has been started.

    Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a Planning Council message (and elsewhere).

    Discussed options for including milestone dates and common info in project milestone plans vs linking to the overall WTP plan.


    Planning: David Williams

    long term items to track

    • XUL Runner IP petering out?


    WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev


    General business?

    bugs to watch

    Other projects to watch:

    PMC Calendar

    Back to meeting list.

    Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.

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