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| HTML WYSIWYG tool [message #41944] |
Wed, 08 September 2004 15:40  |
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Originally posted by: bandrews.bphnx.com
Is there an HTML/JSP WYSIWYG tool in the web tools project?
thanks,
B
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| Re: HTML WYSIWYG tool [message #42361 is a reply to message #42129] |
Thu, 09 September 2004 15:33  |
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Originally posted by: wayne.foo.bar.com
Hi Ed,
It's clear where you're going with this thread and your previous comments of
frustration re: Genuitec's advancement of MyEclipse Enterprise Workbench. So
let me include a few details that you omitted.
Genuitec like the majority of the Eclipse Foundation
members is not a large corporate entity with near boundless resources.
Therefore rather than concentrate on the traditional developer concerns
that you raise such as bugzilla and code contribution metrics for which
there
is a large population of potential influencers, Genuitec's strategic
interests
and contributions are specifically towards Eclipse as an industry movement
and healthy industry adoption. A top corporate priority is the continued
investment of a significant portion of our energies, financial resources,
and influence towards that objective. As a principle, Genuitec strives for
win-win opportunities. Thus our motivation to facilitate the growth of an
Eclipse economy. Genuitec wins as well as many other corporations and
individuals such as yourself that have an interest in Eclipse technology and
spin-off opportunities.
<side-note>
Let's see haven't you capitalized from a book deal off of Eclipse? How about
contributing the manuscript to the OSS? "I'm sure your contribution and
expertise would be welcomed by all." ;-)
</side-note>
Toward that end we've supported Eclipse and acted as active evangelists of
Eclipse technology since its inception. We pay the fees to be active
members of the foundation, write numerous articles technical articles
(including the first on using Eclipse as a rich client over 2.5 years ago),
speak at industry conferences, educate companies on using the RCP for
desktop applications, solicit corporations to join the foundation, host the
free Eclipse Plugin Central website, and serve on the foundation's board of
directors. Our contributions already dwarf most of the foundation members,
when adjusted for the size of corporation.
Jochen - I just saw your comments. Thanks for seeing the big picture.
Wayne
"Ed Burnette" <ed.burnette@sas.com> wrote in message
news:chojib$mm2$1@eclipse.org...
> How about contributing some of that MyEclipseIDE goodness back to Eclipse?
I
> know it's not required by the license, but I only counted 12 bug reports
> ever entered by genuitec on all of Eclipse. I'm sure your contributions
and
> expertise would be welcomed by all.
>
> --Ed
> (opinions are my own, as usual)
>
> "Wayne" <wayne@foo.bar.com> wrote in message
> news:chnvu0$uju$1@eclipse.org...
> The current MyEclipse Enterprise Workbench release (www.myeclipseide.com)
> includes an HTML WYSIWYG editor. An upcoming release will extend this
> capability to support JSP, Struts, and JSF WYSIWYG design. MyEclipse is
> priced at $30/year subscription.
>
>
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| Re: HTML WYSIWYG tool [message #42420 is a reply to message #42361] |
Thu, 09 September 2004 23:11 |
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Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com
Wayne wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> It's clear where you're going with this thread and your previous comments of
> frustration re: Genuitec's advancement of MyEclipse Enterprise Workbench. So
> let me include a few details that you omitted.
[some marketing stuff, justifications, a (faulty) comparison to
book-authoring, acknowledgements (to businesspartners)]
> Wayne
-
First of all, an interesting quote:
"...Let's all (myself included) try to keep this group focused on the
Web Tools Project."
Ted Williams - Genuitec [makers of MyEclipse]
source:
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.webtools/msg00 023.html
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My first impression about MyEclipse (company) was a very positive one,
mostly due to the professional impression of the website
(http://www.myeclipseide.com/).
I loosed this impression more and more, whilst getting in real life
contact with MyEclipse. A mini evaluation with a HelloWorld demo.
http://www.myeclipseide.com/PNphpBB2+file-viewtopic-t-2835.h tml
[note: the most important summary is on page2]
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During my "read-in" into the webtools (including review of some
newsgroups archives) i became more and more annoyed by the anouncements
of MyEclipse, which were made many times in parallel to frustrated
(webools project) status-request from community members (some of them
willing to contribute).
The feeling I have with Genuitec & MyEclipse becomes more and more negative.
I don't know exactly why. Some pointer:
http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.webtools/msg00 014.html
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MyEclipse is a _competition_ to eclipse, in the whole line. See yourself:
One idea of eclipse is, that companies use the eclipse codebase (free)
to build their products.
One idea of MyEclipse is, that companies use the MyEclipse codebase
(with a licence) to build their products.
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-18.h tml
Genuitec's MyEclipse - the silent parasite?
I don't know.
What I know is, that if I invest time to give my feedback to the
project, i would like to see that companies which use (indirectly or
directly) my feedback will contribute themselves to the _eclipse_
codebase back.
If a company builds "a framework to assimilate open source work" and
makes the codeflow oneway - that's legal by licence but not by (at least
my) ethics.
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Is it ok to permanently post anouncements and links to a commercial
product?
Possibly no, possibly yes.
Primarily, this is an open-source project, where users expect free
software and most of them are willing to 'pay' with contribution
(source, patches, evaluation, bug reports and feature requests...).
The community should point people to open-source solutions, until the
'native' eclipse webtools become available.
e.g.
J2EE - http://lomboz.objectweb.org
???? - ????
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Never forget: the community is _always_ stronger!
-
btw:
small details indicate sometimes many things about the professionality
of a company.
See the very nice design of this page:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-18.h tml
notice the footer:
"Copyright © 2004 by Genuitec L.L.C - Java IDE and Eclipse Plugin
Authority for J2EE, Web tools, and Application Development "
now click on the forum link:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/PNphpBB2+main.html
....the "authority for J2EE, Web tools, and Application Development" uses
a cheap PHP kiddy-forum.
I would expect from an "J2EE Authority" that they use their own tools to
maintain a nice J2EE based forum, which has a similar design as the main
website.
Possibly that's too 'romantic'.
..
--
eclipse.alt.project - Create a dedicated project newsgroup
<https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=73282>
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http://lazaridis.com
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| Re: HTML WYSIWYG tool [message #42439 is a reply to message #42420] |
Fri, 10 September 2004 05:44 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: davegabol.eircom.net
Hmmm, maybe that was a bit strong, but I have to agree the MyEclipse
advertising on this forum is very annoying. If anyone else did it they would
be blacklisted. It seems MyEclipse are abusing their position on the "board"
in order to spam us all. I'd be grateful if they would just stop, without us
having to go into their profesionalism, or start a big argument, or anything
else.
Thanks,
Dave.
"ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
news:chr5q3$q0q$1@eclipse.org...
> Wayne wrote:
>
> > Hi Ed,
> >
> > It's clear where you're going with this thread and your previous
comments of
> > frustration re: Genuitec's advancement of MyEclipse Enterprise
Workbench. So
> > let me include a few details that you omitted.
>
> [some marketing stuff, justifications, a (faulty) comparison to
> book-authoring, acknowledgements (to businesspartners)]
>
> > Wayne
>
> -
>
> First of all, an interesting quote:
>
> "...Let's all (myself included) try to keep this group focused on the
> Web Tools Project."
>
> Ted Williams - Genuitec [makers of MyEclipse]
>
> source:
> http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.webtools/msg00 023.html
>
> -
>
> My first impression about MyEclipse (company) was a very positive one,
> mostly due to the professional impression of the website
> (http://www.myeclipseide.com/).
>
> I loosed this impression more and more, whilst getting in real life
> contact with MyEclipse. A mini evaluation with a HelloWorld demo.
>
> http://www.myeclipseide.com/PNphpBB2+file-viewtopic-t-2835.h tml
> [note: the most important summary is on page2]
>
> -
>
> During my "read-in" into the webtools (including review of some
> newsgroups archives) i became more and more annoyed by the anouncements
> of MyEclipse, which were made many times in parallel to frustrated
> (webools project) status-request from community members (some of them
> willing to contribute).
>
> The feeling I have with Genuitec & MyEclipse becomes more and more
negative.
>
> I don't know exactly why. Some pointer:
>
> http://dev.eclipse.org/newslists/news.eclipse.webtools/msg00 014.html
>
> -
>
> MyEclipse is a _competition_ to eclipse, in the whole line. See yourself:
>
> One idea of eclipse is, that companies use the eclipse codebase (free)
> to build their products.
>
> One idea of MyEclipse is, that companies use the MyEclipse codebase
> (with a licence) to build their products.
>
> http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-18.h tml
>
> Genuitec's MyEclipse - the silent parasite?
>
> I don't know.
>
> What I know is, that if I invest time to give my feedback to the
> project, i would like to see that companies which use (indirectly or
> directly) my feedback will contribute themselves to the _eclipse_
> codebase back.
>
> If a company builds "a framework to assimilate open source work" and
> makes the codeflow oneway - that's legal by licence but not by (at least
> my) ethics.
>
> -
>
> Is it ok to permanently post anouncements and links to a commercial
> product?
>
> Possibly no, possibly yes.
>
> Primarily, this is an open-source project, where users expect free
> software and most of them are willing to 'pay' with contribution
> (source, patches, evaluation, bug reports and feature requests...).
>
> The community should point people to open-source solutions, until the
> 'native' eclipse webtools become available.
>
> e.g.
> J2EE - http://lomboz.objectweb.org
> ???? - ????
>
> -
>
> Never forget: the community is _always_ stronger!
>
> -
>
> btw:
>
> small details indicate sometimes many things about the professionality
> of a company.
>
> See the very nice design of this page:
> http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-18.h tml
>
> notice the footer:
> "Copyright
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| Re: HTML WYSIWYG tool [message #45051 is a reply to message #42439] |
Thu, 23 September 2004 11:06 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com
Dave Gabol wrote:
> Hmmm, maybe that was a bit strong, but I have to agree the MyEclipse
> advertising on this forum is very annoying. If anyone else did it they would
> be blacklisted. It seems MyEclipse are abusing their position on the "board"
> in order to spam us all. I'd be grateful if they would just stop, without us
> having to go into their profesionalism, or start a big argument, or anything
> else.
[...]
>>small details indicate sometimes many things about the professionality
>>of a company.
[...]
>>I would expect from an "J2EE Authority" that they use their own tools to
>>maintain a nice J2EE based forum, which has a similar design as the main
>>website.
Now, where things are silent again, I'd like to clarify one thing, which
you have possibly noted yourself:
The java companies and communites have in general terrible communication
systems. Even much larger companies than Genuitec use bb's and other
non-standardtized solutions.
So, it's nothing special.
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If I remember right, BEA seems to be an exception.
....
yes, it's BEA:
http://forums.bea.com/bea/
(although never practically tried)
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