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| Re: POLL: What will you be building with GEF? [message #2109 is a reply to message #1908] |
Thu, 16 May 2002 21:17   |
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I don't (yet) have a work application for GEF, although somebody
mentioned visual workflow modelling, which would be useful.
However, in my spare time I write games, and I will probably use GEF for
that. An example would be a tool to create and edit maps (that's what my
bezier curve tool was for).
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| Re: What will you be building with GEF? [message #3921 is a reply to message #3903] |
Thu, 23 May 2002 11:03 |
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Originally posted by: crivet.rational.com
One problem is that there is no way to determine if or where Eclipse is
installed...short of asking the user. This is not a nice installation
process and does not provide for a nice user experience. With WSAD, we can
actually determine that it is installed and where, so we can install XDE in
that environment. Obviously, if XDE is installed standalone, we also have
control over where we install the IBM WebSphere Studio Workbench platform...
By the way, if you install WSAD today, you will still have the same issue
with Eclipse 2.0, i.e., two development environments, so this is not
isolated to XDE. This would also be the case for other commercial tool
providers who prefer to use released and stable platforms for their
products. You will therefore have to wait for Eclipse 2.0 to be released,
and then for the IBM WebSphere Studio Workbench and Application Developer to
be released before you see a version of XDE for those platform.
And yes, XDE does provide an integrated environment, just not with the
version of the tool platform you want right now.
/Charles
"Mark" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message news:ach0t6$lni$1@rogue.oti.com...
> and in this case you end up having to versions of the same
> ide (WSAD based on eclipse 1.0 AND a new eclipse 2.0 build)
> installed on your machine. as far as i understand this is exactly what
> you not want. or is it not the big sales argument for xde to have
> only one integrated environment?
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> working with XDE would be much more fun, if you could directly
> install into eclipse.
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> -- mark
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> "Charles Rivet" <crivet@rational.com> wrote in message
> news:acgv10$ksj$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > "Werner Keil" <keil@surveycom.com> wrote in message
> > news:acad3q$s8o$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > [...Snip...]
> > > Plus I hate the fact that XDE only works for WSAD so
> > > a really OPEN tool (based on GEF) is one I would like
> > > to see (and use or even take part in) a LOT.
> > [...Snip...]
> >
> > Actually, XDE will also install on its own, without WSAD. In that case,
> it
> > installs the IBM WebSphere Studio Workbench and rebrands that.
> >
> > /Charles
> >
> >
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| Re: What will you be building with GEF? [message #3942 is a reply to message #3921] |
Thu, 23 May 2002 15:15 |
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hi charles!
"Charles Rivet" <crivet@rational.com> wrote in message
news:acivg7$e8r$1@rogue.oti.com...
> One problem is that there is no way to determine if or where Eclipse is
> installed...short of asking the user. This is not a nice installation
> process and does not provide for a nice user experience. With WSAD, we
can
> actually determine that it is installed and where, so we can install XDE
in
> that environment. Obviously, if XDE is installed standalone, we also have
> control over where we install the IBM WebSphere Studio Workbench
platform...
well, eclipse doesn't even have a *simple* installer and people are able to
run it anyway. ;-)
unzipping an archive is not that bad actually and much better than a
installer polluting and messing
up your registry.
also the XDE installer could ask the user to point it to the eclipse install
directory. after
that the installer could even check if the plugin's directory exists or not.
it might even do some
more elaborate checks to make sure it is likely that XDE will run on the
given code base.
even if the installer finds a version of eclipse which is newer than
expected it could
display a warning and ask the user *really* wants to continue. would you
consider this
as "not a nice installation process"?
all in all if you are smart enough to do some UML design you should be smart
enough
to figure out how to install a plug-in. if not you better not start thinking
about
software architecture at all. ;-))
> By the way, if you install WSAD today, you will still have the same issue
> with Eclipse 2.0, i.e., two development environments, so this is not
> isolated to XDE.
what makes you think that i would want to install both, eclipse and WSAD?
they are both IDE's for developing java code. so why both of them? the case
of XDE is
a little different in my opinion. when i install XDE i need a UML design
tool as
just another plugin in addition to the many other plugin's i have installed.
> This would also be the case for other commercial tool
> providers who prefer to use released and stable platforms for their
> products.
hmm, i guess this is not really the point here. let's take eclipse v1.0 e.g.
i assume this is a stable platform by your definition. could i install XDE
on top of this on?
well, at least not today. why? it's a stable platform!
however it's ok to define minimum requirements (a.k.a. "stable" platform).
but XDE excludes *all* eclipse users without a good reason.
> You will therefore have to wait for Eclipse 2.0 to be released,
> and then for the IBM WebSphere Studio Workbench and Application Developer
to
> be released before you see a version of XDE for those platform.
this is exactly what i don't like on the deployment concept of XDE. i need
to wait one
cycle too long (the release of the WSAD platform) before i can use XDE with
the new
eclipse 2.0 code. this is not necessary because i will probably *never ever*
use WSAD.
> And yes, XDE does provide an integrated environment, just not with the
> version of the tool platform you want right now.
well, in this case XDE is no different to any other "integrated environment"
where everything
is integrated as long as you get everything from one vendor. (well, in XDE
case 2 vendor - but
one box)
i guess this conecpt is from the 80's. why do you think the eclipse
architecture is so much concernd about
integrating 3rd party tools as first class components? with this platform
it's possible
to install components from many different vendors and it *still* behaves in
the same consistent way.
in my believe you exclude all eclipse users from using XDE.
i don't see any technical reasons for this.
if this is company policy, i guess its a different story - but in this case
we don't have to
argue here ;-))
> /Charles
-- mark
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> "Mark" <none@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ach0t6$lni$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > and in this case you end up having to versions of the same
> > ide (WSAD based on eclipse 1.0 AND a new eclipse 2.0 build)
> > installed on your machine. as far as i understand this is exactly what
> > you not want. or is it not the big sales argument for xde to have
> > only one integrated environment?
> >
> > working with XDE would be much more fun, if you could directly
> > install into eclipse.
> >
> > -- mark
> >
> > "Charles Rivet" <crivet@rational.com> wrote in message
> > news:acgv10$ksj$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > > "Werner Keil" <keil@surveycom.com> wrote in message
> > > news:acad3q$s8o$1@rogue.oti.com...
> > > [...Snip...]
> > > > Plus I hate the fact that XDE only works for WSAD so
> > > > a really OPEN tool (based on GEF) is one I would like
> > > > to see (and use or even take part in) a LOT.
> > > [...Snip...]
> > >
> > > Actually, XDE will also install on its own, without WSAD. In that
case,
> > it
> > > installs the IBM WebSphere Studio Workbench and rebrands that.
> > >
> > > /Charles
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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| Re: What will you be building with GEF? [message #3955 is a reply to message #3942] |
Thu, 23 May 2002 16:52 |
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Originally posted by: crivet.rational.com
Some comments have been snipped either because I will agree to disagree on
those points and I did not feel anything more could be contributed, or
because company policy prevents me from further dicsussion (a point you
hinted at). If you feel the need to discuss them further, please do not
hesitate to bring them back and I will see what I can do.
"Mark Weyerhaeuser" <m.weyerhaeuser@hookipaa.com> wrote in message
news:acjeca$nfo$1@rogue.oti.com...
> hi charles!
>
> "Charles Rivet" <crivet@rational.com> wrote in message
> news:acivg7$e8r$1@rogue.oti.com...
[...Snip...]
> > By the way, if you install WSAD today, you will still have the same
issue
> > with Eclipse 2.0, i.e., two development environments, so this is not
> > isolated to XDE.
>
> what makes you think that i would want to install both, eclipse and WSAD?
> they are both IDE's for developing java code. so why both of them? the
case
> of XDE is
> a little different in my opinion. when i install XDE i need a UML design
> tool as
> just another plugin in addition to the many other plugin's i have
installed.
Granted, the comparison with WSS AD was off.
> > This would also be the case for other commercial tool
> > providers who prefer to use released and stable platforms for their
> > products.
>
> hmm, i guess this is not really the point here. let's take eclipse v1.0
e.g.
> i assume this is a stable platform by your definition. could i install XDE
> on top of this on?
> well, at least not today. why? it's a stable platform!
You would not need to install XDE on top of Eclipse 1.0. XDE includes _all_
of Eclipse 1.0 either as part of the IBM WebSphere Studio Workbench (when
installed standalone) or as part of IBM WebSphere Studio Application
Developer. It would be very easy to either point XDE to your previous
Eclipse workspace, or to move your existing projects into the XDE workspace,
especially if they are under source control. You can also use any other
Eclipse 1.0 plugins that you desire.
[...Snip...]
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| Re: What will you be building with GEF? [message #230103 is a reply to message #6938] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 11:47 |
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Originally posted by: bgil-nospam.nospam.ca
For tutorial have a look at http://eclipsewiki.editme.com/GefDescription
"Scott Stanchfield" <scott-usenet@javadude.com> wrote in message
news:ade717$7vl$1@rogue.oti.com...
> "Eben Stewart" <estewart@us.ibm.com> wrote in message
> news:ac399j$2c3$1@rogue.oti.com...
>>
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>> > Code Generation views (VCE-like support)
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>> Please, please, please?
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>> This was always a good feature of VAJ, and would be very useful - esp if
> it
>> also supported SWT as well as AWT/Swing.
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>> -- Eben Stewart
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> I'm working on one with GEF right now... Going very slowly, but it looks
> like GEF provides about 40% of the stuff I wanted to do in my visual
> builder, so it seems to make sense to use it.
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> Going slowly (as I read the code to figure out what it's doing -- the
> javadocs aren't helping much).
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> Perhaps, once I figure it all out, I'll write a tutorial.
> -- Scott
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