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| Re: Eclipse represents the worst of Java [message #173773 is a reply to message #173746] |
Thu, 25 December 2003 03:34   |
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Originally posted by: kk.dev.null
Karthik V wrote:
> http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=38096&DE=1
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I have to say that I was very disappointed after reading
the articles. I was looking for some insights to show that
maybe I've overlooked certain aspects of Eclipse when we chose
it to be our default development platform and most important
of all, our application deployment platform.
And what do I get in that article? The author said Eclipse is ugly, and
without
even at least stating which OS, which toolkit. I would assume
he refers to Eclipse-Motif on Unix. That, I would agree, it's
way ugly.
Besides that, there's nothing else. Absolutely nothing. In what way
does Eclipse represent the worst of Java?
The reason he does not like that Eclipse seems to look a bit different
on different platforms. But that's exactly what we like. We use
Eclipse on WinXP, W2K, Linux (GTK), and Eclipse fits nicely into
the environment, picking up any theme we have in that environment,
looks just like any other "native" apps, and supports anti-alias
fonts just like any other "native" apps. That's exactly the reason
why we chose Eclipse, not only for development, but for our
application deployment (as RCP). In fact, we have previously
development a GUI framework in Swing, and we just threw it
away after we review the Eclipse license.
We made that decision when Eclipse was in 2.0, and 2.1 beta
just came out. As soon as Eclipse 3.0 milestone releases are out,
we started porting to 3.0, even though there are a lot of changes
that broke our app, and we have to keep it up, but given the
momentum lately, I think we have made the right choice.
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| Re: Eclipse represents the worst of Java [message #173797 is a reply to message #173773] |
Thu, 25 December 2003 01:47 |
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Originally posted by: davidoii.hotmail.com
I agree with you also, that article was merely an opinion paper that was
not backed by anything. It seemed what he wanted most was a consistent
look and feel across platforms; um, why? I prefer my linux applications
to look like a linux app and my windows applications to look like
windows applications. That's how it's supposed to be.
I've used eclipse for about a year now; it is by far the best IDE I've
used to develop code in. It does lack a few features from Visual Studio,
which I used to use heavily (when I wasn't programming in Java), but
Eclipse is great. Plus the fact that it is open-source just makes it
that much more awesome. If I wanted to (had time), I would add the
features that I thought were missing.
Keep up the great work!
David
kk wrote:
> Karthik V wrote:
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>> http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=38096&DE=1
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> I have to say that I was very disappointed after reading
> the articles. I was looking for some insights to show that
> maybe I've overlooked certain aspects of Eclipse when we chose
> it to be our default development platform and most important
> of all, our application deployment platform.
>
> And what do I get in that article? The author said Eclipse is ugly, and
> without
> even at least stating which OS, which toolkit. I would assume
> he refers to Eclipse-Motif on Unix. That, I would agree, it's
> way ugly.
>
> Besides that, there's nothing else. Absolutely nothing. In what way
> does Eclipse represent the worst of Java?
>
> The reason he does not like that Eclipse seems to look a bit different
> on different platforms. But that's exactly what we like. We use
> Eclipse on WinXP, W2K, Linux (GTK), and Eclipse fits nicely into
> the environment, picking up any theme we have in that environment,
> looks just like any other "native" apps, and supports anti-alias
> fonts just like any other "native" apps. That's exactly the reason
> why we chose Eclipse, not only for development, but for our
> application deployment (as RCP). In fact, we have previously
> development a GUI framework in Swing, and we just threw it
> away after we review the Eclipse license.
>
> We made that decision when Eclipse was in 2.0, and 2.1 beta
> just came out. As soon as Eclipse 3.0 milestone releases are out,
> we started porting to 3.0, even though there are a lot of changes
> that broke our app, and we have to keep it up, but given the
> momentum lately, I think we have made the right choice.
>
>
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| Re: Eclipse represents the worst of Java [message #174112 is a reply to message #173797] |
Sat, 27 December 2003 08:58 |
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Originally posted by: crscca.bol.net.in
Hey eclipse is great.
Its got so much going on in it.
It definitely has a better easy on the eye intuitive gui.
It is faster than netbeans uses a smaller screen area which does not look
like the control panel of a rocket.
But it could use some improvements:-
1. Even though it consumes less memory than netbeans it still consumes a
lot of it. Someone ought to do something about it.
Maybe plugins can and should be made as per a plugin framework which has a
thread running in the background monitoring the plugins. This thread
should be able to deactivate the plugins when the plugins have been
inactive. Inactive plugins should be restored with their state intact or
therwise when needed.
David Owens II wrote:
> I agree with you also, that article was merely an opinion paper that was
> not backed by anything. It seemed what he wanted most was a consistent
> look and feel across platforms; um, why? I prefer my linux applications
> to look like a linux app and my windows applications to look like
> windows applications. That's how it's supposed to be.
> I've used eclipse for about a year now; it is by far the best IDE I've
> used to develop code in. It does lack a few features from Visual Studio,
> which I used to use heavily (when I wasn't programming in Java), but
> Eclipse is great. Plus the fact that it is open-source just makes it
> that much more awesome. If I wanted to (had time), I would add the
> features that I thought were missing.
> Keep up the great work!
> David
> kk wrote:
> > Karthik V wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=38096&DE=1
> >>
> >
> > I have to say that I was very disappointed after reading
> > the articles. I was looking for some insights to show that
> > maybe I've overlooked certain aspects of Eclipse when we chose
> > it to be our default development platform and most important
> > of all, our application deployment platform.
> >
> > And what do I get in that article? The author said Eclipse is ugly, and
> > without
> > even at least stating which OS, which toolkit. I would assume
> > he refers to Eclipse-Motif on Unix. That, I would agree, it's
> > way ugly.
> >
> > Besides that, there's nothing else. Absolutely nothing. In what way
> > does Eclipse represent the worst of Java?
> >
> > The reason he does not like that Eclipse seems to look a bit different
> > on different platforms. But that's exactly what we like. We use
> > Eclipse on WinXP, W2K, Linux (GTK), and Eclipse fits nicely into
> > the environment, picking up any theme we have in that environment,
> > looks just like any other "native" apps, and supports anti-alias
> > fonts just like any other "native" apps. That's exactly the reason
> > why we chose Eclipse, not only for development, but for our
> > application deployment (as RCP). In fact, we have previously
> > development a GUI framework in Swing, and we just threw it
> > away after we review the Eclipse license.
> >
> > We made that decision when Eclipse was in 2.0, and 2.1 beta
> > just came out. As soon as Eclipse 3.0 milestone releases are out,
> > we started porting to 3.0, even though there are a lot of changes
> > that broke our app, and we have to keep it up, but given the
> > momentum lately, I think we have made the right choice.
> >
> >
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| Re: Eclipse represents the worst of Java [message #174542 is a reply to message #174233] |
Tue, 30 December 2003 03:16 |
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Henk de Boer wrote:
> (2.1.2 on Windows 2000 and Atlon 1800/256MB) is that once in
> a while the entire IDE freezes and I have to wait a couple of
> seconds.
You probably need more RAM. I was having the same problem running on a
slow machine at my old job, and more RAM made it quite a bit better.
(The P4 2.8Ghz/1Gb I eventually talked them into buying was an even
bigger help. :-) Right now my home machine is an Athlon 1800/1Gb
running XP, and Eclipse rarely if ever freezes. At work I now have a P4
2.8Ghz/2Gb and eclipse almost never freezes, but the UI is sluggish (and
ugly) because it's running the Linux/gtk version of Eclipse. Linux is
just not there yet as a desktop environment.
-- Laura
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