| WTP vs MyEclipse [message #129702] |
Thu, 04 August 2005 09:44  |
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Hi!
My project is currently using MyEclipse, but since WTP is open source (and
free of charge) it might be more interesting.
I have some questions that I haven't been able to find answers on (fully):
- the current status of WTP? (is it ready for use in production
environments?)
- WTP vs MyEclipse - how do they compare feature-wise? which one is to
prefer for this time being?
- what structure does WTP require for its "J2EE project" - exploded war as
MyEclipse or?
From what I've seen WTP can not be installed using Eclipse Update Manager.
Will this be possible and if so, when is it estimated to be so?
Regards,
Jimisola
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| Re: WTP vs MyEclipse [message #129843 is a reply to message #129717] |
Thu, 04 August 2005 14:54  |
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I'm not on the WebTools project, but I do have a few opinions on this topic
:-)
Eclipse is not about competing with commercial products. It is about
enabling them.
Many developers are perfectly happy to construct their toolset on top of
Eclipse and open source plug-ins. In the case of JDT, for example, the
adoption rate is impressive. But IMHO, most enterprise development shops are
going to be looking for commercially supported and tested tool chains.
The thread on the MyEclipse forum captures, I think, the essence of what is
going on here. Don't forget that the "P" in "WTP" stands for "Platform".
WTP is really focused on building a platform for products to be built upon.
I don't speak for Genuitech, but my guess is that they will be basing their
product releases on WTP in the future and will then be free to focus their
own resources to the task of creating value add on top. I expect that this
will be true of other vendors as well.
And developers win because they get better tools from their vendors.
Mike Milinkovich
Executive Director,
Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
"Jimisola Laursen" <public@jimisola.com> wrote in message
news:dct6bj$cri$1@news.eclipse.org...
>I found this thread on MyEclipse:
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> http://www.myeclipseide.com/PNphpBB2+file-viewtopic-t-5781.h tml
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> But an answer from WTP people is still of interest.
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> Kind regards,
> Jimisola
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> "Jimisola Laursen" <public@jimisola.com> wrote in message
> news:dct62u$cge$1@news.eclipse.org...
>> Hi!
>>
>> My project is currently using MyEclipse, but since WTP is open source
>> (and free of charge) it might be more interesting.
>>
>> I have some questions that I haven't been able to find answers on
>> (fully):
>>
>> - the current status of WTP? (is it ready for use in production
>> environments?)
>> - WTP vs MyEclipse - how do they compare feature-wise? which one is to
>> prefer for this time being?
>> - what structure does WTP require for its "J2EE project" - exploded war
>> as MyEclipse or?
>>
>> From what I've seen WTP can not be installed using Eclipse Update
>> Manager. Will this be possible and if so, when is it estimated to be so?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jimisola
>>
>>
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| Re: WTP vs MyEclipse [message #131186 is a reply to message #129702] |
Tue, 09 August 2005 09:44 |
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Originally posted by: brian.bonner.nospam.paraware.com
Jimisola Laursen wrote:
> Hi!
>
> My project is currently using MyEclipse, but since WTP is open source (and
> free of charge) it might be more interesting.
>
> I have some questions that I haven't been able to find answers on (fully):
>
> - the current status of WTP? (is it ready for use in production
> environments?)
> - WTP vs MyEclipse - how do they compare feature-wise? which one is to
> prefer for this time being?
> - what structure does WTP require for its "J2EE project" - exploded war as
> MyEclipse or?
>
> From what I've seen WTP can not be installed using Eclipse Update Manager.
> Will this be possible and if so, when is it estimated to be so?
>
> Regards,
> Jimisola
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>
Jimisola,
WTP (0.7) is pretty reliable. You can see some screencasts of it here:
http://www.eclipse.org/org/june05release/projects.html.
If you want a visual JSF editor, WTP doesn't have it, but there are a
lot of nice things it does have.
If you mean by an exploded WAR, a directory with WEB-INF and META-INF,
in it, then yes, it uses this approach.
I can't speak to the timeframe on the Update mgr since I'm just a user
of it.
Brian
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| Re: WTP vs MyEclipse [message #131198 is a reply to message #129843] |
Tue, 09 August 2005 09:58 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: ns_dkerber.ns_WarrenRogersAssociates.com
In article <dcto9r$58v$1@news.eclipse.org>, mike.milinkovich@eclipse.org
says...
>
> I'm not on the WebTools project, but I do have a few opinions on this topic
> :-)
>
> Eclipse is not about competing with commercial products. It is about
> enabling them.
> Many developers are perfectly happy to construct their toolset on top of
> Eclipse and open source plug-ins. In the case of JDT, for example, the
> adoption rate is impressive. But IMHO, most enterprise development shops are
> going to be looking for commercially supported and tested tool chains.
The small shops like ours, OTOH get some major benefit out of no-charge
tools like WTP, when we couldn't afford enterprise-level tools. A
couple of days of fooling around, and I'm already productive on it.
> The thread on the MyEclipse forum captures, I think, the essence of what is
> going on here. Don't forget that the "P" in "WTP" stands for "Platform".
> WTP is really focused on building a platform for products to be built upon.
> I don't speak for Genuitech, but my guess is that they will be basing their
> product releases on WTP in the future and will then be free to focus their
> own resources to the task of creating value add on top. I expect that this
> will be true of other vendors as well.
>
> And developers win because they get better tools from their vendors.
My understanding is that Borland is migrating their tools to use Eclipse
in the near future.
.....
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