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| Support for JBuilder XY Layout [message #78801] |
Wed, 02 February 2005 15:38  |
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Originally posted by: nospam.nospam.org
Hello, I want to convert an existing JBuilder GUI project to Eclipse/VE but
I have read in other posts that there is not currently support for XYLayout
in VE. Will this always be the case, or will support be added later. This
seems to be a big obstacle for JBuilder users who want to move to VE. If I
have to, I'll go through the pain of converting all of my project's forms to
GridBagLayout before importing into VE, but a converter would be nice.
Thanks!
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| Re: Support for JBuilder XY Layout [message #79032 is a reply to message #78985] |
Thu, 03 February 2005 16:15  |
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Originally posted by: nospam.nospam.org
Hi, it's just JBuilder's flavor of an absolute XY positioning layout. It is
intended for prototyping only, but somehow seems to find its way into
production screens :-), which may not be an issue if you only deploy to a
single platform. Yes, JBuilder lets you convert an XYLayout to a
GridBagLayout and sometimes they get it right, and sometimes the conversion
results in a screen that's FUBAR, and for an application with 200+ screens
to convert, you can see my apprehension in going that route. Thanks
"Joe Winchester" <winchest@uk.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:cttj4l$561$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Hi BJ,
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> Out of curiosity, what does XYLayout do ? Does it place components at
> rigid rectangles or does it do something more involved ?
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> As for the conversion, I believe JBuilder does that for you. If you
> switch layout manager from XYLayout to GridBagLayout for example it should
> re-generate the correct new constraints.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Joe Winchester
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| Re: Support for JBuilder XY Layout [message #79072 is a reply to message #79032] |
Fri, 04 February 2005 13:41 |
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Hi BJ,
> Hi, it's just JBuilder's flavor of an absolute XY positioning layout. It is
> intended for prototyping only, but somehow seems to find its way into
> production screens :-), which may not be an issue if you only deploy to a
> single platform. Yes, JBuilder lets you convert an XYLayout to a
> GridBagLayout and sometimes they get it right, and sometimes the conversion
> results in a screen that's FUBAR, and for an application with 200+ screens
> to convert, you can see my apprehension in going that route. Thanks
Why not conver XYLayout to null layout. If the container has no layout
manager then everything is positioned with its bounds. I don't quite
understand the need for a layout manager that does absolute positioning
for you when this is the default no-op behavior.
If you converted to use null layout then surely this is going to be an
exact match against what you currently have ?
Best regards,
Joe
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| Re: Support for JBuilder XY Layout [message #79087 is a reply to message #79072] |
Fri, 04 February 2005 09:44 |
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Joe Winchester wrote:
> Hi BJ,
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>> Hi, it's just JBuilder's flavor of an absolute XY positioning layout.
>> It is intended for prototyping only, but somehow seems to find its way
>> into production screens :-), which may not be an issue if you only
>> deploy to a single platform. Yes, JBuilder lets you convert an
>> XYLayout to a GridBagLayout and sometimes they get it right, and
>> sometimes the conversion results in a screen that's FUBAR, and for an
>> application with 200+ screens to convert, you can see my apprehension
>> in going that route. Thanks
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> Why not conver XYLayout to null layout. If the container has no layout
> manager then everything is positioned with its bounds. I don't quite
> understand the need for a layout manager that does absolute positioning
> for you when this is the default no-op behavior.
>
> If you converted to use null layout then surely this is going to be an
> exact match against what you currently have ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Joe
XYLayout is null layout + automatic preferred size set (vs. explicit in
null).
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| Re: Support for JBuilder XY Layout [message #79826 is a reply to message #79218] |
Wed, 09 February 2005 17:05 |
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Originally posted by: nospam.nospam.org
Hi Eric, I will give it a try. Can VE and Swing designer coexist as plug-ins
in Eclipse or must I install one to run the other. Thanks
"Eric Clayberg" <clayberg@instantiations.com> wrote in message
news:cu6j7q$fq4$1@www.eclipse.org...
> "BJ" <nospam@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:ctrdo1$ss5$1@www.eclipse.org...
>> Hello, I want to convert an existing JBuilder GUI project to Eclipse/VE
>> but I have read in other posts that there is not currently support for
>> XYLayout in VE. Will this always be the case, or will support be added
>> later. This seems to be a big obstacle for JBuilder users who want to
>> move to VE. If I have to, I'll go through the pain of converting all of
>> my project's forms to GridBagLayout before importing into VE, but a
>> converter would be nice.
>
> Swing Designer (http://www.swing-designer.com) will directly import your
> JBuilder code. It also supports rendering XYLayout and XYConstraints
> (automatically converting them to null layout on edit) and converting them
> to null layout, SpringLayout or GridBagLayout.
>
> Note that Swing Designer is a commercial tool with a $199 list price
> (lower cost NC and academic licenses are available). A free,
> feature-limited edition is also available as is a time-limited eval
> version of the entire product (for Eclipse 2.1, 3.0 or 3.1 M4).
>
> -Eric Clayberg
> Sr. Vice President of Product Development
> Instantiations, Inc.
> http://www.instantiations.com
> http://www.swing-designer.com
>
> Author: "Eclipse: Building Commercial Quality Plug-ins"
> http://www.awprofessional.com/title/0321228472
>
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| Re: Support for JBuilder XY Layout [message #604941 is a reply to message #78801] |
Thu, 03 February 2005 16:22 |
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Hi BJ,
Out of curiosity, what does XYLayout do ? Does it place components at
rigid rectangles or does it do something more involved ?
As for the conversion, I believe JBuilder does that for you. If you
switch layout manager from XYLayout to GridBagLayout for example it
should re-generate the correct new constraints.
Best regards,
Joe Winchester
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| Re: Support for JBuilder XY Layout [message #604965 is a reply to message #78985] |
Thu, 03 February 2005 16:15 |
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Originally posted by: nospam.nospam.org
Hi, it's just JBuilder's flavor of an absolute XY positioning layout. It is
intended for prototyping only, but somehow seems to find its way into
production screens :-), which may not be an issue if you only deploy to a
single platform. Yes, JBuilder lets you convert an XYLayout to a
GridBagLayout and sometimes they get it right, and sometimes the conversion
results in a screen that's FUBAR, and for an application with 200+ screens
to convert, you can see my apprehension in going that route. Thanks
"Joe Winchester" <winchest@uk.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:cttj4l$561$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Hi BJ,
>
> Out of curiosity, what does XYLayout do ? Does it place components at
> rigid rectangles or does it do something more involved ?
>
> As for the conversion, I believe JBuilder does that for you. If you
> switch layout manager from XYLayout to GridBagLayout for example it should
> re-generate the correct new constraints.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Joe Winchester
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| Re: Support for JBuilder XY Layout [message #604976 is a reply to message #79032] |
Fri, 04 February 2005 13:41 |
| Eclipse User |
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Hi BJ,
> Hi, it's just JBuilder's flavor of an absolute XY positioning layout. It is
> intended for prototyping only, but somehow seems to find its way into
> production screens :-), which may not be an issue if you only deploy to a
> single platform. Yes, JBuilder lets you convert an XYLayout to a
> GridBagLayout and sometimes they get it right, and sometimes the conversion
> results in a screen that's FUBAR, and for an application with 200+ screens
> to convert, you can see my apprehension in going that route. Thanks
Why not conver XYLayout to null layout. If the container has no layout
manager then everything is positioned with its bounds. I don't quite
understand the need for a layout manager that does absolute positioning
for you when this is the default no-op behavior.
If you converted to use null layout then surely this is going to be an
exact match against what you currently have ?
Best regards,
Joe
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| Re: Support for JBuilder XY Layout [message #604980 is a reply to message #79072] |
Fri, 04 February 2005 09:44 |
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Joe Winchester wrote:
> Hi BJ,
>
>> Hi, it's just JBuilder's flavor of an absolute XY positioning layout.
>> It is intended for prototyping only, but somehow seems to find its way
>> into production screens :-), which may not be an issue if you only
>> deploy to a single platform. Yes, JBuilder lets you convert an
>> XYLayout to a GridBagLayout and sometimes they get it right, and
>> sometimes the conversion results in a screen that's FUBAR, and for an
>> application with 200+ screens to convert, you can see my apprehension
>> in going that route. Thanks
>
>
> Why not conver XYLayout to null layout. If the container has no layout
> manager then everything is positioned with its bounds. I don't quite
> understand the need for a layout manager that does absolute positioning
> for you when this is the default no-op behavior.
>
> If you converted to use null layout then surely this is going to be an
> exact match against what you currently have ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Joe
XYLayout is null layout + automatic preferred size set (vs. explicit in
null).
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| Re: Support for JBuilder XY Layout [message #605016 is a reply to message #78801] |
Sun, 06 February 2005 21:19 |
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"BJ" <nospam@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:ctrdo1$ss5$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Hello, I want to convert an existing JBuilder GUI project to Eclipse/VE
> but I have read in other posts that there is not currently support for
> XYLayout in VE. Will this always be the case, or will support be added
> later. This seems to be a big obstacle for JBuilder users who want to move
> to VE. If I have to, I'll go through the pain of converting all of my
> project's forms to GridBagLayout before importing into VE, but a converter
> would be nice.
Swing Designer (http://www.swing-designer.com) will directly import your
JBuilder code. It also supports rendering XYLayout and XYConstraints
(automatically converting them to null layout on edit) and converting them
to null layout, SpringLayout or GridBagLayout.
Note that Swing Designer is a commercial tool with a $199 list price (lower
cost NC and academic licenses are available). A free, feature-limited
edition is also available as is a time-limited eval version of the entire
product (for Eclipse 2.1, 3.0 or 3.1 M4).
-Eric Clayberg
Sr. Vice President of Product Development
Instantiations, Inc.
http://www.instantiations.com
http://www.swing-designer.com
Author: "Eclipse: Building Commercial Quality Plug-ins"
http://www.awprofessional.com/title/0321228472
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| Re: Support for JBuilder XY Layout [message #605181 is a reply to message #79218] |
Wed, 09 February 2005 17:05 |
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Originally posted by: nospam.nospam.org
Hi Eric, I will give it a try. Can VE and Swing designer coexist as plug-ins
in Eclipse or must I install one to run the other. Thanks
"Eric Clayberg" <clayberg@instantiations.com> wrote in message
news:cu6j7q$fq4$1@www.eclipse.org...
> "BJ" <nospam@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:ctrdo1$ss5$1@www.eclipse.org...
>> Hello, I want to convert an existing JBuilder GUI project to Eclipse/VE
>> but I have read in other posts that there is not currently support for
>> XYLayout in VE. Will this always be the case, or will support be added
>> later. This seems to be a big obstacle for JBuilder users who want to
>> move to VE. If I have to, I'll go through the pain of converting all of
>> my project's forms to GridBagLayout before importing into VE, but a
>> converter would be nice.
>
> Swing Designer (http://www.swing-designer.com) will directly import your
> JBuilder code. It also supports rendering XYLayout and XYConstraints
> (automatically converting them to null layout on edit) and converting them
> to null layout, SpringLayout or GridBagLayout.
>
> Note that Swing Designer is a commercial tool with a $199 list price
> (lower cost NC and academic licenses are available). A free,
> feature-limited edition is also available as is a time-limited eval
> version of the entire product (for Eclipse 2.1, 3.0 or 3.1 M4).
>
> -Eric Clayberg
> Sr. Vice President of Product Development
> Instantiations, Inc.
> http://www.instantiations.com
> http://www.swing-designer.com
>
> Author: "Eclipse: Building Commercial Quality Plug-ins"
> http://www.awprofessional.com/title/0321228472
>
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