| RAP ecosystem [message #58391] |
Wed, 07 November 2007 10:40  |
Eclipse User |
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Hello,
I'm very interested in the RAP approach for designing webapps (ajapps),
but I have still some questions in mind , not about the technology itself,
but about the ecosystem which will have to be built in the near future to
garantee the success of the technology, as it was made for Eclipse 6 years
ago, and for GWT one year ago.
I think it is very important to make a good promotion of RAP around us. So
the question is how? I would like to hear the different ideas we could
have...
The second point is , how could we lower the learning curve for RAP which
ihnerits of the one of Eclipse plugin development... We are all dived into
Eclipse for many years and we don't see maybe clearly what are the pbs
Eclipse pluggin development could cause to beginners... Up to now I think
that developping simple applications with GWT or silverlight is quite
simpler than developping with RAP if we don't have the Eclipse
background... So , if we stay there, the RAP application perimeter risks
to be restrained to only quite big applications where modularity,
extensibility, .., is mandatory... alittle bit like J2EE for making a
comparison with PHP.
So the question is how could we simplify the developement of RAP
applications, especially for beginners? any ideas?
best regards
Xavier
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| Re: RAP ecosystem [message #58537 is a reply to message #58391] |
Thu, 08 November 2007 02:14  |
| Eclipse User |
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Hello Xavier,
to your 2nd point: You're absolutely right when emphasizing the hard
learning curve for people without eclipse RCP experience. I have two
ideas on this:
First you can do what the Eclipse IDE does to help beginners: Provide
some wizards which allow you to create new RAP applications based on
templates from scratch. With these templates you can cover some of the
often asked questions in the newsgroup (how to modify the applications
titlebar/cool bar, writing custom widgets, etc.). In general a better
eclipse integration would be fine (the rap.ui.launch package is a good
step into that direction).
Secondly, it would help if the source of more running RAP applications
was available somewhere. The sandbox in the CVS is quite empty but
hopefully more sample applications can be found there in the future and
will help new users to learn from others.
Regards,
Stefan.
xavier mehaut schrieb:
> Hello,
> I'm very interested in the RAP approach for designing webapps (ajapps),
> but I have still some questions in mind , not about the technology
> itself, but about the ecosystem which will have to be built in the near
> future to garantee the success of the technology, as it was made for
> Eclipse 6 years ago, and for GWT one year ago.
> I think it is very important to make a good promotion of RAP around us.
> So the question is how? I would like to hear the different ideas we
> could have...
>
> The second point is , how could we lower the learning curve for RAP
> which ihnerits of the one of Eclipse plugin development... We are all
> dived into Eclipse for many years and we don't see maybe clearly what
> are the pbs Eclipse pluggin development could cause to beginners... Up
> to now I think that developping simple applications with GWT or
> silverlight is quite simpler than developping with RAP if we don't have
> the Eclipse background... So , if we stay there, the RAP application
> perimeter risks to be restrained to only quite big applications where
> modularity, extensibility, .., is mandatory... alittle bit like J2EE for
> making a comparison with PHP.
> So the question is how could we simplify the developement of RAP
> applications, especially for beginners? any ideas?
> best regards
> Xavier
>
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| Re: RAP ecosystem [message #58861 is a reply to message #58634] |
Fri, 09 November 2007 03:15 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: benjamin.wolff.web.de
hellas!
i'd like to add some words to point 2 =).
i'm using rap for about 3 weeks now, and i'm really thrilled and impressed
by the possibilities and capabilities. but due to the fact that i'm also
completely new to eclipse and especially rcp (java also, but that's ok
because my domain is c++ ;P) i had quite a hard and frustrating time
getting into it. by now i'm starting to feel quite comfortable in this
environment because i'm getting the 'twist' =)). i think the major problem
for me was the rather poor documentation of rap. the online docu, e.g. the
rap developer guide, gives a good introduction but i miss things like
class, widget, method overview etc. i don't know to what extend this is a
problem for experienced rcp developers, but if the classes/methods are
kind of identical then it could be linked, for example. i also noticed the
lack of available examples and tutorials. ok, i might blame this to the
'freshness' of the project :P. but it's all about examples and tutorials,
baby ;P. for beginners, the examples that are provided are also poorly
commented.
i think rap is such a powerful and comfortable tool for building webapps
that it is interesting for a much bigger group than eclipse/rcp users and
it should be presented/provided in this way =).
i really started to love rap, you're doing a great job!! rap definitely
has a tremendous potential.
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| Re: RAP ecosystem [message #58885 is a reply to message #58861] |
Fri, 09 November 2007 04:15 |
| Eclipse User |
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I agree with you totally... RAP has a tremendous potential, so it was the
purpose of one proposal in a previous post to build a community around RAP
by creating a RAP web site in RAP to be a portal for everything about
RAP... Eclipse success started so some times ago (there were at the
begiining quite few documention too)...We could reiterate this success
story with RAP :)
Xavier
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