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| Rich text (HTML) editor [message #42990] |
Fri, 09 November 2007 11:52  |
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Originally posted by: eclipse6.rizzoweb.com
I looked for any previous discussion on this topic; please point me to
it if it exists and I missed it somehow.
I've been using the RichText and RichTextEditor controls from the EPF
project (http://www.eclipse.org/epf/). It is a very nice implementation
of an editor for marked-up text. I could not find any screen shots or
documentation about it, but you can download the EPF Composer to see it
in action; see also http://mea-bloga.blogspot.com/2007/09/epf-interview.html
In use in my current project it has worked very well with only a few
minor issues.
However, being under the EPF project limits it visibility and makes it
harder to re-distribute with other apps/plugins. Worse, the EPF team
have expressed that they have no intention of supporting its use outside
of the EPF Composer RCP app (see
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=205927)
That is unfortunate, because it fills a need that is not met well by any
Eclipse or third-party components that I could find). My question is,
would it be something that would be a good candidate for moving into Nebula?
Eric
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| Re: Rich text (HTML) editor [message #43119 is a reply to message #42990] |
Sat, 10 November 2007 18:49  |
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Eric Rizzo wrote:
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> However, being under the EPF project limits it visibility and makes it
> harder to re-distribute with other apps/plugins.
Support issues aside, I think this is a key point.
It can be painful to pull in general-purpose widgets from a project that
otherwise has no relevance to your application. On a smaller scale, I've
run into this issue with the hyperlink widget from the
org.eclipse.ui.forms plug-in. An application may have no need for forms,
but it pulls in the plug-in/jar simply to use the widget.
(Yes, SWT also has a link widget, but the forms widget is more
fully-featured.)
In general this can really mess with an application's dependencies and
footprint by adding more plug-ins/jars. Of course, you can always copy
the widget code to your own project, but then there are maintenance costs.
I don't know if Nebula is the right place, but it would be very nice if
there was a process for "pushing down" useful widgets from specific
projects to a more general, official repository. Does anyone know of
existing examples of such repositories in open source projects?
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| Re: Rich text (HTML) editor [message #43343 is a reply to message #43295] |
Tue, 13 November 2007 21:04 |
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If the existing EPF committers aren't interested, someone from the
community can step up and submit patches to EPF with the necessary changes.
-Chris
Eric Rizzo wrote:
> Chris Gross wrote:
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> We had a similar discussion before with Zest. Personally I am happy
>> for Nebula to get bigger and to pull in more reusable components but
>> we do have a resource issue. Nebula does not have any full-time
>> committers. We all have other jobs and Nebula is done in our free
>> time. Any components that join Nebula need to be accompanied by a new
>> committer who will develop and support the component. EPF would have
>> to make a conscious effort to make the RTE more reusable and devote
>> resources to that goal. And then they could make the subsequent
>> decision to push it to Nebula. What Nebula ultimately provides is a
>> more obvious place for developers to look for Eclipse/SWT custom
>> components. But the first step is to convince the EPF guys that it
>> should be reusable period. I think Chris's bug report is the right
>> avenue.
>
> Thanks for the insight, Chris. The good news is that the EPF RTE is
> already very close to ready for general consumption; the bad news is
> that the EPF team seem to be uninterested in going that last mile to
> make it so. We'll see what the new bug report does to motivate them, but
> I wonder if there is any other avenue if that fails...
>
> Eric
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>> Eric Rizzo wrote:
>>> I looked for any previous discussion on this topic; please point me
>>> to it if it exists and I missed it somehow.
>>> I've been using the RichText and RichTextEditor controls from the EPF
>>> project (http://www.eclipse.org/epf/). It is a very nice
>>> implementation of an editor for marked-up text. I could not find any
>>> screen shots or documentation about it, but you can download the EPF
>>> Composer to see it in action; see also
>>> http://mea-bloga.blogspot.com/2007/09/epf-interview.html
>>> In use in my current project it has worked very well with only a few
>>> minor issues.
>>>
>>> However, being under the EPF project limits it visibility and makes
>>> it harder to re-distribute with other apps/plugins. Worse, the EPF
>>> team have expressed that they have no intention of supporting its use
>>> outside of the EPF Composer RCP app (see
>>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=205927)
>>> That is unfortunate, because it fills a need that is not met well by
>>> any Eclipse or third-party components that I could find). My question
>>> is, would it be something that would be a good candidate for moving
>>> into Nebula?
>>>
>>> Eric
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| Re: Rich text (HTML) editor [message #43776 is a reply to message #43343] |
Wed, 21 November 2007 09:22 |
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Originally posted by: eclipse-news.rizzoweb.com
Chris Gross wrote:
> If the existing EPF committers aren't interested, someone from the
> community can step up and submit patches to EPF with the necessary changes.
I understand, but (ignoring for a moment the bigger issue that this
component is buried inside a project that VERY few people even know
exists) the problem here is that this particular component uses some
very unusual techniques to accomplish its functionality. Specifically,
it is a blending of Java, HTML DOM, and Javascript. The one specific
issue I found (placing the control in a dialog causes IE errors because
of focus problems) is not easily debugged because it lives in the JS
world. I'd love to submit a patch but don't understand the code at that
level and would take significant time & effort to get there.
Furthermore, it is not clear from the apparent attitude of the EPF
committers (based on terse or absent response to Bugzilla filings), that
the significant effort a non-EPFer would spend to really fix the issue
would pay off - the EPF team don't seem interested in publishing this
thing, so all the learning and any patch might just get piped to /dev/null.
Evidence: the latest bug report
(https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=209373) has received nil
response from the EPF team, despite comments from such Eclipse
heavy-hitters as ZX, Tom Schindl, and Ed Merks. It appears to an
outsider that they are just ignoring this request, which is why I asked
if there were any other course of action. For example, Nebula copying
the code, or request transfer of it, etc. I guess I don't have high
expectations for a positive answer to that, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
I wish I could take the initiative myself and contribute something to
Nebula, but the I can't afford the necessary time investment at this point.
Thanks for listening to my rant,
Eric
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> -Chris
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> Eric Rizzo wrote:
>> Chris Gross wrote:
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> We had a similar discussion before with Zest. Personally I am happy
>>> for Nebula to get bigger and to pull in more reusable components but
>>> we do have a resource issue. Nebula does not have any full-time
>>> committers. We all have other jobs and Nebula is done in our free
>>> time. Any components that join Nebula need to be accompanied by a
>>> new committer who will develop and support the component. EPF would
>>> have to make a conscious effort to make the RTE more reusable and
>>> devote resources to that goal. And then they could make the
>>> subsequent decision to push it to Nebula. What Nebula ultimately
>>> provides is a more obvious place for developers to look for
>>> Eclipse/SWT custom components. But the first step is to convince the
>>> EPF guys that it should be reusable period. I think Chris's bug
>>> report is the right avenue.
>>
>> Thanks for the insight, Chris. The good news is that the EPF RTE is
>> already very close to ready for general consumption; the bad news is
>> that the EPF team seem to be uninterested in going that last mile to
>> make it so. We'll see what the new bug report does to motivate them,
>> but I wonder if there is any other avenue if that fails...
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Eric Rizzo wrote:
>>>> I looked for any previous discussion on this topic; please point me
>>>> to it if it exists and I missed it somehow.
>>>> I've been using the RichText and RichTextEditor controls from the
>>>> EPF project (http://www.eclipse.org/epf/). It is a very nice
>>>> implementation of an editor for marked-up text. I could not find any
>>>> screen shots or documentation about it, but you can download the EPF
>>>> Composer to see it in action; see also
>>>> http://mea-bloga.blogspot.com/2007/09/epf-interview.html
>>>> In use in my current project it has worked very well with only a few
>>>> minor issues.
>>>>
>>>> However, being under the EPF project limits it visibility and makes
>>>> it harder to re-distribute with other apps/plugins. Worse, the EPF
>>>> team have expressed that they have no intention of supporting its
>>>> use outside of the EPF Composer RCP app (see
>>>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=205927)
>>>> That is unfortunate, because it fills a need that is not met well by
>>>> any Eclipse or third-party components that I could find). My
>>>> question is, would it be something that would be a good candidate
>>>> for moving into Nebula?
>>>>
>>>> Eric
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| Re: Rich text (HTML) editor --> Contribution from onpositive?! [message #64482 is a reply to message #42990] |
Fri, 12 June 2009 10:33 |
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I just stumbled acoross this bug which is interesting for all
Richtext-Editor seekers:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=255340
Regards
Kris
Eric Rizzo schrieb:
> I looked for any previous discussion on this topic; please point me to
> it if it exists and I missed it somehow.
> I've been using the RichText and RichTextEditor controls from the EPF
> project (http://www.eclipse.org/epf/). It is a very nice implementation
> of an editor for marked-up text. I could not find any screen shots or
> documentation about it, but you can download the EPF Composer to see it
> in action; see also
> http://mea-bloga.blogspot.com/2007/09/epf-interview.html
> In use in my current project it has worked very well with only a few
> minor issues.
>
> However, being under the EPF project limits it visibility and makes it
> harder to re-distribute with other apps/plugins. Worse, the EPF team
> have expressed that they have no intention of supporting its use outside
> of the EPF Composer RCP app (see
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=205927)
> That is unfortunate, because it fills a need that is not met well by any
> Eclipse or third-party components that I could find). My question is,
> would it be something that would be a good candidate for moving into
> Nebula?
>
> Eric
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| Re: Rich text (HTML) editor [message #586300 is a reply to message #42990] |
Sat, 10 November 2007 18:49 |
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Eric Rizzo wrote:
>
> However, being under the EPF project limits it visibility and makes it
> harder to re-distribute with other apps/plugins.
Support issues aside, I think this is a key point.
It can be painful to pull in general-purpose widgets from a project that
otherwise has no relevance to your application. On a smaller scale, I've
run into this issue with the hyperlink widget from the
org.eclipse.ui.forms plug-in. An application may have no need for forms,
but it pulls in the plug-in/jar simply to use the widget.
(Yes, SWT also has a link widget, but the forms widget is more
fully-featured.)
In general this can really mess with an application's dependencies and
footprint by adding more plug-ins/jars. Of course, you can always copy
the widget code to your own project, but then there are maintenance costs.
I don't know if Nebula is the right place, but it would be very nice if
there was a process for "pushing down" useful widgets from specific
projects to a more general, official repository. Does anyone know of
existing examples of such repositories in open source projects?
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| Re: Rich text (HTML) editor [message #586347 is a reply to message #42990] |
Mon, 12 November 2007 10:59 |
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Hi Eric,
We had a similar discussion before with Zest. Personally I am happy for
Nebula to get bigger and to pull in more reusable components but we do
have a resource issue. Nebula does not have any full-time committers.
We all have other jobs and Nebula is done in our free time. Any
components that join Nebula need to be accompanied by a new committer
who will develop and support the component. EPF would have to make a
conscious effort to make the RTE more reusable and devote resources to
that goal. And then they could make the subsequent decision to push it
to Nebula. What Nebula ultimately provides is a more obvious place for
developers to look for Eclipse/SWT custom components. But the first
step is to convince the EPF guys that it should be reusable period. I
think Chris's bug report is the right avenue.
Regards,
-Chris
Eric Rizzo wrote:
> I looked for any previous discussion on this topic; please point me to
> it if it exists and I missed it somehow.
> I've been using the RichText and RichTextEditor controls from the EPF
> project (http://www.eclipse.org/epf/). It is a very nice implementation
> of an editor for marked-up text. I could not find any screen shots or
> documentation about it, but you can download the EPF Composer to see it
> in action; see also
> http://mea-bloga.blogspot.com/2007/09/epf-interview.html
> In use in my current project it has worked very well with only a few
> minor issues.
>
> However, being under the EPF project limits it visibility and makes it
> harder to re-distribute with other apps/plugins. Worse, the EPF team
> have expressed that they have no intention of supporting its use outside
> of the EPF Composer RCP app (see
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=205927)
> That is unfortunate, because it fills a need that is not met well by any
> Eclipse or third-party components that I could find). My question is,
> would it be something that would be a good candidate for moving into
> Nebula?
>
> Eric
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| Re: Rich text (HTML) editor [message #586365 is a reply to message #43234] |
Tue, 13 November 2007 09:55 |
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Chris Gross wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> We had a similar discussion before with Zest. Personally I am happy for
> Nebula to get bigger and to pull in more reusable components but we do
> have a resource issue. Nebula does not have any full-time committers.
> We all have other jobs and Nebula is done in our free time. Any
> components that join Nebula need to be accompanied by a new committer
> who will develop and support the component. EPF would have to make a
> conscious effort to make the RTE more reusable and devote resources to
> that goal. And then they could make the subsequent decision to push it
> to Nebula. What Nebula ultimately provides is a more obvious place for
> developers to look for Eclipse/SWT custom components. But the first
> step is to convince the EPF guys that it should be reusable period. I
> think Chris's bug report is the right avenue.
Thanks for the insight, Chris. The good news is that the EPF RTE is
already very close to ready for general consumption; the bad news is
that the EPF team seem to be uninterested in going that last mile to
make it so. We'll see what the new bug report does to motivate them, but
I wonder if there is any other avenue if that fails...
Eric
> Eric Rizzo wrote:
>> I looked for any previous discussion on this topic; please point me to
>> it if it exists and I missed it somehow.
>> I've been using the RichText and RichTextEditor controls from the EPF
>> project (http://www.eclipse.org/epf/). It is a very nice
>> implementation of an editor for marked-up text. I could not find any
>> screen shots or documentation about it, but you can download the EPF
>> Composer to see it in action; see also
>> http://mea-bloga.blogspot.com/2007/09/epf-interview.html
>> In use in my current project it has worked very well with only a few
>> minor issues.
>>
>> However, being under the EPF project limits it visibility and makes it
>> harder to re-distribute with other apps/plugins. Worse, the EPF team
>> have expressed that they have no intention of supporting its use
>> outside of the EPF Composer RCP app (see
>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=205927)
>> That is unfortunate, because it fills a need that is not met well by
>> any Eclipse or third-party components that I could find). My question
>> is, would it be something that would be a good candidate for moving
>> into Nebula?
>>
>> Eric
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| Re: Rich text (HTML) editor [message #586376 is a reply to message #43295] |
Tue, 13 November 2007 21:04 |
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If the existing EPF committers aren't interested, someone from the
community can step up and submit patches to EPF with the necessary changes.
-Chris
Eric Rizzo wrote:
> Chris Gross wrote:
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> We had a similar discussion before with Zest. Personally I am happy
>> for Nebula to get bigger and to pull in more reusable components but
>> we do have a resource issue. Nebula does not have any full-time
>> committers. We all have other jobs and Nebula is done in our free
>> time. Any components that join Nebula need to be accompanied by a new
>> committer who will develop and support the component. EPF would have
>> to make a conscious effort to make the RTE more reusable and devote
>> resources to that goal. And then they could make the subsequent
>> decision to push it to Nebula. What Nebula ultimately provides is a
>> more obvious place for developers to look for Eclipse/SWT custom
>> components. But the first step is to convince the EPF guys that it
>> should be reusable period. I think Chris's bug report is the right
>> avenue.
>
> Thanks for the insight, Chris. The good news is that the EPF RTE is
> already very close to ready for general consumption; the bad news is
> that the EPF team seem to be uninterested in going that last mile to
> make it so. We'll see what the new bug report does to motivate them, but
> I wonder if there is any other avenue if that fails...
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>> Eric Rizzo wrote:
>>> I looked for any previous discussion on this topic; please point me
>>> to it if it exists and I missed it somehow.
>>> I've been using the RichText and RichTextEditor controls from the EPF
>>> project (http://www.eclipse.org/epf/). It is a very nice
>>> implementation of an editor for marked-up text. I could not find any
>>> screen shots or documentation about it, but you can download the EPF
>>> Composer to see it in action; see also
>>> http://mea-bloga.blogspot.com/2007/09/epf-interview.html
>>> In use in my current project it has worked very well with only a few
>>> minor issues.
>>>
>>> However, being under the EPF project limits it visibility and makes
>>> it harder to re-distribute with other apps/plugins. Worse, the EPF
>>> team have expressed that they have no intention of supporting its use
>>> outside of the EPF Composer RCP app (see
>>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=205927)
>>> That is unfortunate, because it fills a need that is not met well by
>>> any Eclipse or third-party components that I could find). My question
>>> is, would it be something that would be a good candidate for moving
>>> into Nebula?
>>>
>>> Eric
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| Re: Rich text (HTML) editor [message #586560 is a reply to message #43343] |
Wed, 21 November 2007 09:22 |
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Chris Gross wrote:
> If the existing EPF committers aren't interested, someone from the
> community can step up and submit patches to EPF with the necessary changes.
I understand, but (ignoring for a moment the bigger issue that this
component is buried inside a project that VERY few people even know
exists) the problem here is that this particular component uses some
very unusual techniques to accomplish its functionality. Specifically,
it is a blending of Java, HTML DOM, and Javascript. The one specific
issue I found (placing the control in a dialog causes IE errors because
of focus problems) is not easily debugged because it lives in the JS
world. I'd love to submit a patch but don't understand the code at that
level and would take significant time & effort to get there.
Furthermore, it is not clear from the apparent attitude of the EPF
committers (based on terse or absent response to Bugzilla filings), that
the significant effort a non-EPFer would spend to really fix the issue
would pay off - the EPF team don't seem interested in publishing this
thing, so all the learning and any patch might just get piped to /dev/null.
Evidence: the latest bug report
(https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=209373) has received nil
response from the EPF team, despite comments from such Eclipse
heavy-hitters as ZX, Tom Schindl, and Ed Merks. It appears to an
outsider that they are just ignoring this request, which is why I asked
if there were any other course of action. For example, Nebula copying
the code, or request transfer of it, etc. I guess I don't have high
expectations for a positive answer to that, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
I wish I could take the initiative myself and contribute something to
Nebula, but the I can't afford the necessary time investment at this point.
Thanks for listening to my rant,
Eric
>
> -Chris
>
> Eric Rizzo wrote:
>> Chris Gross wrote:
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> We had a similar discussion before with Zest. Personally I am happy
>>> for Nebula to get bigger and to pull in more reusable components but
>>> we do have a resource issue. Nebula does not have any full-time
>>> committers. We all have other jobs and Nebula is done in our free
>>> time. Any components that join Nebula need to be accompanied by a
>>> new committer who will develop and support the component. EPF would
>>> have to make a conscious effort to make the RTE more reusable and
>>> devote resources to that goal. And then they could make the
>>> subsequent decision to push it to Nebula. What Nebula ultimately
>>> provides is a more obvious place for developers to look for
>>> Eclipse/SWT custom components. But the first step is to convince the
>>> EPF guys that it should be reusable period. I think Chris's bug
>>> report is the right avenue.
>>
>> Thanks for the insight, Chris. The good news is that the EPF RTE is
>> already very close to ready for general consumption; the bad news is
>> that the EPF team seem to be uninterested in going that last mile to
>> make it so. We'll see what the new bug report does to motivate them,
>> but I wonder if there is any other avenue if that fails...
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Eric Rizzo wrote:
>>>> I looked for any previous discussion on this topic; please point me
>>>> to it if it exists and I missed it somehow.
>>>> I've been using the RichText and RichTextEditor controls from the
>>>> EPF project (http://www.eclipse.org/epf/). It is a very nice
>>>> implementation of an editor for marked-up text. I could not find any
>>>> screen shots or documentation about it, but you can download the EPF
>>>> Composer to see it in action; see also
>>>> http://mea-bloga.blogspot.com/2007/09/epf-interview.html
>>>> In use in my current project it has worked very well with only a few
>>>> minor issues.
>>>>
>>>> However, being under the EPF project limits it visibility and makes
>>>> it harder to re-distribute with other apps/plugins. Worse, the EPF
>>>> team have expressed that they have no intention of supporting its
>>>> use outside of the EPF Composer RCP app (see
>>>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=205927)
>>>> That is unfortunate, because it fills a need that is not met well by
>>>> any Eclipse or third-party components that I could find). My
>>>> question is, would it be something that would be a good candidate
>>>> for moving into Nebula?
>>>>
>>>> Eric
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| Re: Rich text (HTML) editor [message #589031 is a reply to message #42990] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 18:29 |
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I have been using the RichText and RichTextEditor controls as well. I have
really liked them. The biggest problem I ran into was that they are not
portable to Solaris10 because the Embedded Browser does not work. I think
that it is a good control, but it is limited on where it can run. Just
FYI. - John Bauer
"Eric Rizzo" <eclipse6@rizzoweb.com> wrote in message
news:fh237h$49l$1@build.eclipse.org...
>I looked for any previous discussion on this topic; please point me to it
>if it exists and I missed it somehow.
> I've been using the RichText and RichTextEditor controls from the EPF
> project (http://www.eclipse.org/epf/). It is a very nice implementation of
> an editor for marked-up text. I could not find any screen shots or
> documentation about it, but you can download the EPF Composer to see it in
> action; see also http://mea-bloga.blogspot.com/2007/09/epf-interview.html
> In use in my current project it has worked very well with only a few minor
> issues.
>
> However, being under the EPF project limits it visibility and makes it
> harder to re-distribute with other apps/plugins. Worse, the EPF team have
> expressed that they have no intention of supporting its use outside of the
> EPF Composer RCP app (see
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=205927)
> That is unfortunate, because it fills a need that is not met well by any
> Eclipse or third-party components that I could find). My question is,
> would it be something that would be a good candidate for moving into
> Nebula?
>
> Eric
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| Re: Rich text (HTML) editor --> Contribution from onpositive?! [message #595110 is a reply to message #42990] |
Fri, 12 June 2009 10:33 |
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I just stumbled acoross this bug which is interesting for all
Richtext-Editor seekers:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=255340
Regards
Kris
Eric Rizzo schrieb:
> I looked for any previous discussion on this topic; please point me to
> it if it exists and I missed it somehow.
> I've been using the RichText and RichTextEditor controls from the EPF
> project (http://www.eclipse.org/epf/). It is a very nice implementation
> of an editor for marked-up text. I could not find any screen shots or
> documentation about it, but you can download the EPF Composer to see it
> in action; see also
> http://mea-bloga.blogspot.com/2007/09/epf-interview.html
> In use in my current project it has worked very well with only a few
> minor issues.
>
> However, being under the EPF project limits it visibility and makes it
> harder to re-distribute with other apps/plugins. Worse, the EPF team
> have expressed that they have no intention of supporting its use outside
> of the EPF Composer RCP app (see
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=205927)
> That is unfortunate, because it fills a need that is not met well by any
> Eclipse or third-party components that I could find). My question is,
> would it be something that would be a good candidate for moving into
> Nebula?
>
> Eric
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