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[RESOLVED]I think GEF is dead!(Some life is Left) [message #508789]

Wed, 20 January 2010 05:44

Eclipse User

I think GEF development has been stopped or kept on back burner so that GMF development can take place.

I see lots of new features in terms of draw2d in GMF but not in GEF.

There are bugs in bugzilla for GEF which are in new status since 2006 or before,
no body even writes a comment there, forget about resolving them...

Pls Confirm so that developers could atleast start the process of migrating to GMF..

[Updated on: Thu, 11 February 2010 04:36] by Moderator

Re: I think GEF is dead! [message #510585 is a reply to message #508789]

Wed, 27 January 2010 16:43

Eclipse User

On 20/01/2010 10:44, vijay wrote:
> I think GEF development has been stopped or kept on back burner so that
> GMF development can take place.
>
> I see lots of new features in terms of draw2d in GMF but not in GEF.
>
> There are bugs in bugzilla for GEF which are in new status since 2006 or
> before,
> no body even writes a comment there, forget about resolving them...
>
> Pls Confirm so that developers could atleast start the process of
> migrating to GMF..

Is GEF dead? It would seem so...unless anyone wishes to confirm otherwise?

Re: I think GEF is dead! [message #510758 is a reply to message #510585]

Thu, 28 January 2010 09:53

Eclipse User

Hello,

Pre-Scriptum: What is coming are only personal opinion, I am speaking as a GEF/GMF user. What I think may be totally wrong ;)

I agree with vijay that GEF does not look very active, whereas GMF gets more and more interest over and over again...
But I don't think that "dead" is the word. GEF is still the base of GMF and will never be dead while GMF keeps on being so used. The upcoming Gemini project will also rely on GEF. GEF is a mature and necessary base, but less and less people use it directly since GMF has a better productivity. That's it.

But I also think it is true that there are several features in GMF that could be part of GEF, since they only rely on draw2d and not on IGraphicalEditParts... I hope that once Gemini get accepted, it will encourage both projects (GMF and Gemini) to share their extensions of GEF, putting them back into GEF, giving it more activity.

As I said before, these are only thoughts. I'd love too to get the opinion from projects contributors!

Regards,
--
Mickael Istria - BonitaSoft S.A.
http://www.bonitasoft.com/products/downloads.php

Re: I think GEF is dead! [message #510815 is a reply to message #510758]

Thu, 28 January 2010 12:20

Eclipse User

On 28/01/2010 14:53, Mickael Istria wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Pre-Scriptum: What is coming are only personal opinion, I am speaking as
> a GEF/GMF user. What I think may be totally wrong ;)
>
> I agree with vijay that GEF does not look very active, whereas GMF gets
> more and more interest over and over again...
> But I don't think that "dead" is the word. GEF is still the base of GMF
> and will never be dead while GMF keeps on being so used. The upcoming
> Gemini project will also rely on GEF. GEF is a mature and necessary
> base, but less and less people use it directly since GMF has a better
> productivity. That's it.
>
> But I also think it is true that there are several features in GMF that
> could be part of GEF, since they only rely on draw2d and not on
> IGraphicalEditParts... I hope that once Gemini get accepted, it will
> encourage both projects (GMF and Gemini) to share their extensions of
> GEF, putting them back into GEF, giving it more activity.
>
>
> As I said before, these are only thoughts. I'd love too to get the
> opinion from projects contributors!
>
> Regards,
> --
> Mickael Istria - BonitaSoft S.A.
> http://www.bonitasoft.com/products/downloads.php

Good points. I think maybe the original poster was probably highlighting
the lack of traffic on this forum and the seeming lack of attention to
fixing GEF bugs. I admit this does worry me somewhat. Unless I'm wrong?

Frank Zappa once said, "Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny."

Re: I think GEF is dead! [message #510902 is a reply to message #510815]

Thu, 28 January 2010 23:48

Eclipse User

Finally some opinion.....

Thanks....

The reson for this post was as Phillip Beauvoir stated

Quote:

I think maybe the original poster was probably highlighting
the lack of traffic on this forum and the seeming lack of attention to
fixing GEF bugs. I admit this does worry me somewhat. Unless I'm wrong?

Eclipse is in existence because of these forums only without which it would be difficult to study and understand...

As you can see on the first page of GEF forum, all the posts have limited responce,infact many have zero responce...

In a forum this type of behavior is expected but in GEF bugzilla also the same response rate is there,
bugs are in new status for about 6 years without even a comment...

Every thing is okay till you notify the user that GMF should be used instead of GEF,
Like it has been notified that Draw2d is not recomended to be used without GEF,

I think moving to GMF would be safer option...

Re: I think GEF is dead! [message #511273 is a reply to message #510902]

Sun, 31 January 2010 17:12

Eclipse User

> Every thing is okay till you notify the user that GMF should be used
> instead of GEF,
> Like it has been notified that Draw2d is not recomended to be used without
> GEF,
>
> I think moving to GMF would be safer option...

I could be wrong, but I thought GMF is just a layer of extension points over
GEF to make it easier to use. If I am right, the death of GEF would kill GMF
as well. But you are right, it seems key people (Randy Hudson etc) don't
spend much time in the forums.

Re: I think GEF is dead! [message #511283 is a reply to message #511273]

Mon, 01 February 2010 00:31

Eclipse User

Quote:

I could be wrong, but I thought GMF is just a layer of extension points over
GEF to make it easier to use. If I am right, the death of GEF would kill GMF
as well. But you are right, it seems key people (Randy Hudson etc) don't
spend much time in the forums.

There is no dependency of GEF in GMF hence GMF does not use it,
Even draw2d it has its own plugin which has many modified layouts,routers etc

Hence you can say that GMF is a independent module,which is dependent on draw2d but not dependent on GEF,

Re: I think GEF is dead! [message #511316 is a reply to message #511283]

Mon, 01 February 2010 04:20

Eclipse User

Hi,

Comments below

vijay a écrit :
> Quote:
>> I could be wrong, but I thought GMF is just a layer of extension
>> points over GEF to make it easier to use. If I am right, the death of
>> GEF would kill GMF as well. But you are right, it seems key people
>> (Randy Hudson etc) don't spend much time in the forums.
>
>
> There is no dependency of GEF in GMF hence GMF does not use it,
> Even draw2d it has its own plugin which has many modified
> layouts,routers etc
>
> Hence you can say that GMF is a independent module,which is dependent on
> draw2d but not dependent on GEF,
>
>

Please have a look to dependencies on this page, GMF depends on GEF :

http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/gmf/downloads/?project=

Thanks,

Mariot

Re: I think GEF is dead! [message #511337 is a reply to message #511316]

Mon, 01 February 2010 05:34

Eclipse User

Thanks for bringing that to my notice(i missed that)...

but the thing is in GMF direct usage of GEF classes is minimal...

The GEF classes are being subclassed and new classes have been created which are then used in GMF,

These are the exact classes which i am requesting to be moved to GEF so that those new features can be used by GEF or draw2d

example would be PolyLineConnection and PolyLineConnectionEx

Thumbnail and
ThumbnailEx

many of which have been rewriten or overriden for bug fixes/new features...

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