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Eclipse performance on Pentium M under Linux/GTK? [message #119880] Mon, 24 November 2003 03:48 Go to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: thatEclipseUser.yahoo.com

As an long-time Smalltalk hacker I really enjoy Eclipse. However, the 3M4
Eclipse I'm using under Linux/GTK is barely fast enough to be acceptable
on my 2.4G P4 machine (admittedly it's running in a 512M VMWare
partition). I need to get a notebook and I'm wondering if anyone can
report their experience of running Eclipse on a Centrino/Pentium M (e.g.
an IBM X31 or T40) under Linux. Is a P M 1.4G equivalent to a 2.4 P4 (as
some benchmarks would suggest) in this case? Do I need to get the more
expensive 1.6G version?

I don't know anyone who has one of these, otherwise I'd just borrow it and
find out for myself...

I'm trying to keep this already expensive notebook from getting any more
expensive - any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks.



One interesting aside, btw - I did get a chance to install the 3M5 build
on a friend's G4 867 Powerbook (768M RAM) running OSX 10.3. I'd heard that
Eclipse was slow on OSX, but didn't find it bad at all (definitely faster
than the GTK version on my 2.4 P4, but slower than the windows version.)
Re: Eclipse performance on Pentium M under Linux/GTK? [message #121559 is a reply to message #119880] Tue, 25 November 2003 05:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: anders_biehl.yahoo.com

Hi,

I have a Pentium M 1.4 (512mb ram)

I just installed 3.0M5 under Gentoo linux (with suns 1.4.2_02) and it
definitely feels faster than M3. The subjective feel is that it is somewhat
comparable to M2 on my 1.6Ghz (1GB ram) P4 running Windows (startup faster -
everything else slower).

I find it acceptable, but not impressive. I dont think that going to a PM
1.6 will help you much (if you run Linux).

-Anders



"Greg" <thatEclipseUser@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bpsglb$nr6$1@eclipse.org...
> As an long-time Smalltalk hacker I really enjoy Eclipse. However, the 3M4
> Eclipse I'm using under Linux/GTK is barely fast enough to be acceptable
> on my 2.4G P4 machine (admittedly it's running in a 512M VMWare
> partition). I need to get a notebook and I'm wondering if anyone can
> report their experience of running Eclipse on a Centrino/Pentium M (e.g.
> an IBM X31 or T40) under Linux. Is a P M 1.4G equivalent to a 2.4 P4 (as
> some benchmarks would suggest) in this case? Do I need to get the more
> expensive 1.6G version?
>
> I don't know anyone who has one of these, otherwise I'd just borrow it and
> find out for myself...
>
> I'm trying to keep this already expensive notebook from getting any more
> expensive - any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks.
>
>
>
> One interesting aside, btw - I did get a chance to install the 3M5 build
> on a friend's G4 867 Powerbook (768M RAM) running OSX 10.3. I'd heard that
> Eclipse was slow on OSX, but didn't find it bad at all (definitely faster
> than the GTK version on my 2.4 P4, but slower than the windows version.)
>
Re: Eclipse performance on Pentium M under Linux/GTK? [message #121594 is a reply to message #119880] Tue, 25 November 2003 06:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: sanjaymadhavan.netscape.net

Greg wrote:

> As an long-time Smalltalk hacker I really enjoy Eclipse. However, the 3M4
> Eclipse I'm using under Linux/GTK is barely fast enough to be acceptable

I would suggest sticking with the R2.1.2 release of eclipse at the moment.
In my experience the recent 3.x builds are slower than the 2.1.2 builds.
Re: Eclipse performance on Pentium M under Linux/GTK? [message #122738 is a reply to message #121559] Thu, 27 November 2003 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: anders_biehl.yahoo.com

However I think there is some hack to turn off antialiased fonts - that
should speed up eclipse on linux....some property one could set

-Anders


anders biehl wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a Pentium M 1.4 (512mb ram)
>
> I just installed 3.0M5 under Gentoo linux (with suns 1.4.2_02) and it
> definitely feels faster than M3. The subjective feel is that it is somewhat
> comparable to M2 on my 1.6Ghz (1GB ram) P4 running Windows (startup faster -
> everything else slower).
>
> I find it acceptable, but not impressive. I dont think that going to a PM
> 1.6 will help you much (if you run Linux).
>
> -Anders
>
>
>
> "Greg" <thatEclipseUser@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bpsglb$nr6$1@eclipse.org...
>
>>As an long-time Smalltalk hacker I really enjoy Eclipse. However, the 3M4
>>Eclipse I'm using under Linux/GTK is barely fast enough to be acceptable
>>on my 2.4G P4 machine (admittedly it's running in a 512M VMWare
>>partition). I need to get a notebook and I'm wondering if anyone can
>>report their experience of running Eclipse on a Centrino/Pentium M (e.g.
>>an IBM X31 or T40) under Linux. Is a P M 1.4G equivalent to a 2.4 P4 (as
>>some benchmarks would suggest) in this case? Do I need to get the more
>>expensive 1.6G version?
>>
>>I don't know anyone who has one of these, otherwise I'd just borrow it and
>>find out for myself...
>>
>>I'm trying to keep this already expensive notebook from getting any more
>>expensive - any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>One interesting aside, btw - I did get a chance to install the 3M5 build
>>on a friend's G4 867 Powerbook (768M RAM) running OSX 10.3. I'd heard that
>>Eclipse was slow on OSX, but didn't find it bad at all (definitely faster
>>than the GTK version on my 2.4 P4, but slower than the windows version.)
>>
>
>
>
Re: Eclipse performance on Pentium M under Linux/GTK? [message #122876 is a reply to message #121594] Fri, 28 November 2003 10:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
> I would suggest sticking with the R2.1.2 release of eclipse at the moment.
> In my experience the recent 3.x builds are slower than the 2.1.2 builds.

I have used Eclipse for almost a year now starting of with 2.x, 3.0Mx (x
currentlty being 4).
We have discussed Eclipse in our project group and there are two things that
always come up: performance and stability.

Eclipse 3.x feels runs and feels slower under Linux than under Windows for
example.
It makes me wonder how is due to Eclipse itself and how is because of the
(Sun's) JVM?

For stability, maybe one should have used 2.1.2 release, but doing that you also
missed out on some pretty nice 3.x build features.
It almost feels as if M4 should have been Stable release, i.e. 3.1. And then
work continued with 3.2 (i.e. today's M5).

Regards,
Jimisola
Error of running eclipse on AIX 5.1 [message #128773 is a reply to message #122738] Fri, 19 December 2003 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: stephanie_shen.timeinc.com

Hi,
I downloaded eclipse 2.1.2 for 5.1 aix, and got the following error
when I first tried to run eclipse on aix5.1. It would be greatly
appreciated if anybody can let me know what's wrong here?

Thanks in advance,
Stephanie

shens:/home/shens/utilities/eclipse$ ./eclipse
java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError:
/home/shens/utilities/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.swt.motif_ 2.1.2/os/aix/ppc/libswt-motif-2135.a:
load ENOEXEC on shared library(s)
/home/shens/utilities/eclipse/plugins/org.eclipse.swt.motif_ 2.1.2/os/aix/ppc/libswt-motif-2135.a
at java.lang.ClassLoader$NativeLibrary.load(Native Method)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary0(ClassLoader.java:1996)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadLibrary(ClassLoader.java:1852)
at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary0(Runtime.java:823)
at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(System.java:884)
at org.eclipse.swt.internal.Library.loadLibrary(Library.java:10 8)
at at
org.eclipse.swt.internal.motif.OS.<clinit>(OS.java:20).null(Unknown Source)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.createDisplay(Display.java:5 90)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.create(Display.java:576)
at org.eclipse.swt.graphics.Device.<init>(Device.java:126)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.<init>(Display.java:339)
at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.<init>(Display.java:336)
at org.eclipse.ui.internal.Workbench.run(Workbench.java:1361)
at
org.eclipse.core.internal.boot.InternalBootLoader.run(Intern alBootLoader.java:858)
at org.eclipse.core.boot.BootLoader.run(BootLoader.java:461)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at
sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAcce ssorImpl.java:79)
at
sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMe thodAccessorImpl.java:41)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:371)
at org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main.basicRun(Main.java:291)
at org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main.run(Main.java:747)
at org.eclipse.core.launcher.Main.main(Main.java:583)
Re: Error of running eclipse on AIX 5.1 [message #129145 is a reply to message #128773] Mon, 22 December 2003 11:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: info.oti.com

stephanie wrote:
> I downloaded eclipse 2.1.2 for 5.1 aix, and got the following error
> when I first tried to run eclipse on aix5.1. It would be greatly
> appreciated if anybody can let me know what's wrong here?

It looks as if this is described in:

http://dbforums.com/t690041.html

"So ENOEXEC meant in this case 'wrong IBM Java SDK download'"

Hope that helps!

Andrew Jr.

============================================================ ==========
IBM Phoenix Labs (OTI)
11811 North Tatum Boulevard, Suite 2400
Phoenix, Arizona, USA 85028-1614
Re: Eclipse performance on Pentium M under Linux/GTK? [message #131897 is a reply to message #119880] Tue, 06 January 2004 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Performance with SWT/GTK seems to be a tough nut to crack.
See this discussion on Eclipse bugzilla:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=37683

--
John Zoetebier
Web site: http://www.transparent.co.nz

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 08:48:43 +0000 (UTC), Greg <thatEclipseUser@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> As an long-time Smalltalk hacker I really enjoy Eclipse. However, the 3M4
> Eclipse I'm using under Linux/GTK is barely fast enough to be acceptable
> on my 2.4G P4 machine (admittedly it's running in a 512M VMWare
> partition). I need to get a notebook and I'm wondering if anyone can
> report their experience of running Eclipse on a Centrino/Pentium M (e.g.
> an IBM X31 or T40) under Linux. Is a P M 1.4G equivalent to a 2.4 P4 (as
> some benchmarks would suggest) in this case? Do I need to get the more
> expensive 1.6G version?
>
> I don't know anyone who has one of these, otherwise I'd just borrow it
> and
> find out for myself...
>
> I'm trying to keep this already expensive notebook from getting any more
> expensive - any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks.
>
>
>
> One interesting aside, btw - I did get a chance to install the 3M5 build
> on a friend's G4 867 Powerbook (768M RAM) running OSX 10.3. I'd heard
> that
> Eclipse was slow on OSX, but didn't find it bad at all (definitely faster
> than the GTK version on my 2.4 P4, but slower than the windows version.)
>
Re: Eclipse performance on Pentium M under Linux/GTK? [message #132076 is a reply to message #131897] Wed, 07 January 2004 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: rsk.email.arizona.edu

Thanks for that link, it was a very interesting read. I have been driven
crazy by the performance of Eclipse-GTK recently and hope that the team is
able to uncover SOMETHING that will help in the future.

John Zoetebier wrote:

> Performance with SWT/GTK seems to be a tough nut to crack.
> See this discussion on Eclipse bugzilla:
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=37683
>

--
Best,
Riyad
Re: Eclipse performance on Pentium M under Linux/GTK? [message #132116 is a reply to message #122876] Wed, 07 January 2004 15:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:47:49 +0100, Jimisola Laursen wrote:

>> I would suggest sticking with the R2.1.2 release of eclipse at the moment.
>> In my experience the recent 3.x builds are slower than the 2.1.2 builds.
>
> I have used Eclipse for almost a year now starting of with 2.x, 3.0Mx (x
> currentlty being 4).
> We have discussed Eclipse in our project group and there are two things
> that always come up: performance and stability.
>
> Eclipse 3.x feels runs and feels slower under Linux than under Windows
> for example.
> It makes me wonder how is due to Eclipse itself and how is because of
> the (Sun's) JVM?
>
> For stability, maybe one should have used 2.1.2 release, but doing that
> you also missed out on some pretty nice 3.x build features. It almost
> feels as if M4 should have been Stable release, i.e. 3.1. And then work
> continued with 3.2 (i.e. today's M5).
>
> Regards,
> Jimisola

I found that m6 was substantially slower than m5, which was modestly
slower than m4. I added some vmargs to my eclipse startup script, and my
performance with m6 is now acceptable.

As was mentioned in another post,
http://performance.netbeans.org/howto/jvmswitches/index.html has hints on
tuning the jvm for a big GUI app.

I also noticed that by bumping the max memory allocation way up, some of
my call hierarchy searches that failed before are now completing. These
settings may not help if you're memory constrained, and I crashed my
machine a few times while tweaking with more advanced settings.

I found documentation on the eclipse command line arguments in the eclipse
help browser. It would be nice if you could do eclipse --help and get the
same info. Vote for http://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=25334 if
you also think so.

#!/bin/bash

/usr/local/eclipse/eclipse -vm /usr/local/j2sdk1.4.2_01/bin/java -vmargs
-Xverify:none -Xmx512m -Xms128m -XX:PermSize=30m -XX:CompileThreshold=10
-XX:+UseParallelGC
Re: Eclipse performance on Pentium M under Linux/GTK? [message #132143 is a reply to message #132076] Wed, 07 January 2004 16:32 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Riyad Kalla wrote:

> Thanks for that link, it was a very interesting read. I have been driven
> crazy by the performance of Eclipse-GTK recently and hope that the team is
> able to uncover SOMETHING that will help in the future.

I'm a Debian user and I've just had an Eclipse meltdown. The latest 2.1.2
release crashes frequently (errors available for the interested) and I
tried recompiling the 3M6 release but that's not much better (again, .log
availble for interested parties). I built 3M6 myself, so as to eliminate
the possibilities of libary issues.

I've had to switch over to 3M6 on Windows, which I'm not too happy about
doing.

Vik :v)
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