| Eclipse evaluation - some questions [message #52028] |
Fri, 06 June 2003 16:02  |
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Originally posted by: russ.sdsusa.com
I'm trying to evaluate Eclipse and I'm racing the clock. We're finally
stepping off Visual Age, and looking at a few products. Right now, IDEA
is in the lead as far as our group is concerned because it was easy to
set up, but I have to say, there's a lot of features in Eclipse that I
like, and you only have to make the transition once. I think the
editing is great and moving from Visual Age, it seems to have the
features that I used to like and doesn't have the problems that drove me
nuts.....for instance, it seems a lot easier to jump between editing
multiple classes, cutting and pasting common code between them, etc. I
love the fact that it points out unused imports and such and the Quick
Fix is impressive.
Our use will be largely for developing servlets and JSP's with some
applet development.
Are there features you like about Eclipse that IDEA doesn't do as well?
I like the file editing under Eclipse much better, myself. I don't like
the auto save that IDEA does.
Are there any deficiences in Eclipse that keep you from doing something
you'd like to be able to do? A GUI builder is of no concern to me, so
that's not a problem. Is there anything that's been a show-stopper for
you or been a real nuisance to work around?
How satisfied are you with the remote debugging capability of Eclipse?
Are you able to debug servlets easily using Tomcat? (I haven't tried
this out yet and fear a decision will be made in the next couple days.)
One of the concerns we have is with going Open Source....if we pay for
software we expect a certain level of support, but with Open Source???
From what I've seen, the help is much better than what I found under
VisualAge, and the newsgroups seem to be helpful and there's a lot of
participation.
I'd appreciate any insight or feedback.
My gratitude to you,
Russ Hammond
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| Re: Eclipse evaluation - some questions [message #53222 is a reply to message #52028] |
Mon, 09 June 2003 10:05  |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: eric.rizzo.jibeinc.com
Russ Hammond wrote:
> Are there any deficiences in Eclipse that keep you from doing something
> you'd like to be able to do? A GUI builder is of no concern to me, so
> that's not a problem. Is there anything that's been a show-stopper for
> you or been a real nuisance to work around?
I'm a former VAJ proponent (one of the more outspoken ones) who is now
an Eclipse user for the past 18 months. I and my team have yet to find
anything that even suggests we switch to another tool. Bottom line, I
would rather have seen VAJ continue its evolution, but Eclipse is now
the best offering around - only IDEA is even close and it is a long way
back simply because of cost.
> How satisfied are you with the remote debugging capability of Eclipse?
> Are you able to debug servlets easily using Tomcat? (I haven't tried
> this out yet and fear a decision will be made in the next couple days.)
Eclipse is excellent at debugging. In fact, with plugins that let me
easily deploy to and launch Tomcat, JBoss, etc. I rarely use remote
debugging - I just launch apps from within Eclipse in debug mode.
If you're using JDK 1.4, the hot code replace is awesome, especially
when you're talking about an app server where re-deploying and bouncing
the server is time consuming.
> One of the concerns we have is with going Open Source....if we pay for
> software we expect a certain level of support, but with Open Source???
> From what I've seen, the help is much better than what I found under
> VisualAge, and the newsgroups seem to be helpful and there's a lot of
> participation.
I think the myth that open-source = no support has been pretty well
addressed by many writers/organizations. I'm sure a quick Google would
turn up plenty of articles on the topic.
For example, remember VAJ? How much did a good support contract cost
there? And how more responsive than the user community was the IBM
support? And keep in mind that IBM is generally better about support
than most big software companies.
If you absolutely must pay for your software, go with one of IBM's
commercial products based on Eclipse - WebSphere Application Developer,
WebSpehere Site Developer, etc.
Eric
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Eric Rizzo
Software Architect
Jibe, Inc.
http://www.jibeinc.com
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