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Welcome to the Eclipse EGit Project. The folks who requested this newsgroup will post a welcome message shortly, explaining what this exciting new group is all about. In the meanwhile, here is some more information about the Eclipse newsgroups:

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http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1344 is a reply to message #1335] Thu, 02 April 2009 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The EGit project is a proposed open source project under the Eclipse
Technology Project. The current proposal can be found online:

http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/egit/

Please send all feedback to this newsgroup.


EGit is an Eclipse Team provider for Git. Git is the version control
system originally developed for the Linux kernel by Linus Torvalds. One
of Git's strength is its ability to support distributed version tracking
as well as more centralized schemes, in contrast with traditional SCM
tools that offer only a centralized model (such as CVS and Subversion) .
Git is also very fast. Git usage has evolved beyond the Linux kernel
team and is now used by many other projects -- both for open source and
commercial development -- as a fast and distributed general purpose
Source Code Management (SCM) tool.

Git is a distributed SCM, which means every developer has a full copy of
all history of every revision of the code, making queries against the
history very fast and versatile. The storage model also means most
operations are ten to a hundred times faster than with traditional
centralized SCM such as CVS or Subversion. The integrity of the code is
guaranteed through the use of secure hashes on the content and history,
plus optional GPG/PGP key signing of tags.


To learn more, please see the project proposal, and these other related
links:

http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/egit/
http://git-scm.com/

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1347 is a reply to message #1335] Sat, 04 April 2009 17:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe you know an answer to this, too?

Why is a team provider project like Subversive under "technology" and
another one like Egit isn't ?

Thanks,
Werner

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1352 is a reply to message #1347] Sat, 04 April 2009 18:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: alex_blewitt.yahoo.com

Isn't the plan for EGit to be part of technology? After all, it's a
proposal.

BTW Shawn et al - there's a missing 'e' in Ganymede on the EGit page:
http://code.google.com/p/egit/

"The plugin only works on Eclipse 3.4 (Ganymed) or newer"

Is there a web-based Git viewer, like viewcvs/viewsvn? I couldn't see an
easy way to browse the source from the current google project page.

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1364 is a reply to message #1347] Sat, 04 April 2009 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: alex_blewitt.yahoo.com

(or are you asking why the newsgroup is 'eclipse.git' instead of
'eclipse.technology.git')

Alex

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1369 is a reply to message #1352] Sun, 05 April 2009 04:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Alex Blewitt wrote:

> Isn't the plan for EGit to be part of technology? After all, it's a
> proposal.
>
> BTW Shawn et al - there's a missing 'e' in Ganymede on the EGit page:
> http://code.google.com/p/egit/
>
> "The plugin only works on Eclipse 3.4 (Ganymed) or newer"
fixed.
>
> Is there a web-based Git viewer, like viewcvs/viewsvn? I couldn't see an
> easy way to browse the source from the current google project page.

On the Egit page. Look at the links section to the right and click
on gitweb.

-- robin

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1380 is a reply to message #1364] Sun, 05 April 2009 17:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Alex Blewitt" <alex_blewitt@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:73e709d0196172b8a59dc40b7d46e4cd$1@www.eclipse.org...
> (or are you asking why the newsgroup is 'eclipse.git' instead of
> 'eclipse.technology.git')
>
> Alex
>

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1385 is a reply to message #1380] Sun, 05 April 2009 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Werner Keil wrote:
> Both
>
> "Alex Blewitt" <alex_blewitt@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:73e709d0196172b8a59dc40b7d46e4cd$1@www.eclipse.org...
>> (or are you asking why the newsgroup is 'eclipse.git' instead of
>> 'eclipse.technology.git')

If you read the EGit project proposal, yes, EGit is proposed to be under
the Technology project.

I asked EMO why this group is "eclipse.egit" and not
"eclipse.technology.egit", and the answer was they were starting to drop
the "technology" part out of the names of the newsgroups. So... I don't
know why that is, or what lead to that decision, but "eclipse.egit" is
what was assigned by the foundation staff, despite EGit being under the
Technology project.

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1389 is a reply to message #1385] Mon, 06 April 2009 22:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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IC, well thanks a lot for the update.
I guess they may still keep it in package naming if I'm not wrong?

Does this project or any committed code already work with GIT projects out
there?
As a Grails developer keen on collaborating with some JSRs I work with has
projects already on a free shared Git portal...

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1395 is a reply to message #1389] Mon, 06 April 2009 22:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Werner Keil wrote:
> IC, well thanks a lot for the update.
> I guess they may still keep it in package naming if I'm not wrong?

I would assume they would, yes.

> Does this project or any committed code already work with GIT projects
> out there?

Of course. A primary concern of EGit is to be 100% compatible with
existing Git repositories, and the git-core command line tools. To the
extent that a repository created with either tool can be transparently
used by the other one.

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1400 is a reply to message #1369] Tue, 07 April 2009 05:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: alex_blewitt.yahoo.com

Obvious now, when I see it, but a one-word link, particularly with
unfamiliar technology, is easy to miss. Could you add a sentence in the
main blurb of the page with "you can browse the source with 'gitweb'" and
provide the link in there as well?

I ask because there's a reference on the main page to see
SUBMITTING_PATCHES which would also be good to provide a hyperlink too.

Alex

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1411 is a reply to message #1400] Tue, 07 April 2009 18:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Alex Blewitt wrote:
> Obvious now, when I see it, but a one-word link, particularly with
> unfamiliar technology, is easy to miss. Could you add a sentence in the
> main blurb of the page with "you can browse the source with 'gitweb'"
> and provide the link in there as well?
>
> I ask because there's a reference on the main page to see
> SUBMITTING_PATCHES which would also be good to provide a hyperlink too.
> Alex

Thanks, great ideas. Links added.

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1419 is a reply to message #1385] Mon, 13 April 2009 20:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Shawn Pearce wrote:
> So... I don't
> know why that is, or what lead to that decision, but "eclipse.egit" is
> what was assigned by the foundation staff, despite EGit being under the
> Technology project.

Because projects now tend to move across top-level projects, we are
flattening many of our namespaces that make moving projects problematic.
The same applies to download directories (download.eclipse.org/egit
instead of download.eclipse.org/technology/egit). Also, mailing lists
always ignored the parent project, as did the website URL
(www.eclipse.org/projectname) so we're also becoming more consistent.

Denis

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #1425 is a reply to message #1419] Wed, 15 April 2009 10:48 Go to previous message
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Originally posted by: alex_blewitt.yahoo.com

That's great news. A lot of the perceived problems with Eclipse is that
the 'Eclipse' project itself somewhat overshadows everything else, and
that having found a technology (e.g. Equinox) it's not always clear what
project it belongs to. By moving all the URLs to be independent of their
container, it will help people find the projects. This isn't the right
forum to continue the discussion, but I hope that there's a long-term plan
to migrate the existing news groups to use the new format and project page
as well ... if there's a bug, can you CC me on it?

Alex

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570095 is a reply to message #1335] Thu, 02 April 2009 17:34 Go to previous message
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The EGit project is a proposed open source project under the Eclipse
Technology Project. The current proposal can be found online:

http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/egit/

Please send all feedback to this newsgroup.


EGit is an Eclipse Team provider for Git. Git is the version control
system originally developed for the Linux kernel by Linus Torvalds. One
of Git's strength is its ability to support distributed version tracking
as well as more centralized schemes, in contrast with traditional SCM
tools that offer only a centralized model (such as CVS and Subversion) .
Git is also very fast. Git usage has evolved beyond the Linux kernel
team and is now used by many other projects -- both for open source and
commercial development -- as a fast and distributed general purpose
Source Code Management (SCM) tool.

Git is a distributed SCM, which means every developer has a full copy of
all history of every revision of the code, making queries against the
history very fast and versatile. The storage model also means most
operations are ten to a hundred times faster than with traditional
centralized SCM such as CVS or Subversion. The integrity of the code is
guaranteed through the use of secure hashes on the content and history,
plus optional GPG/PGP key signing of tags.


To learn more, please see the project proposal, and these other related
links:

http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/egit/
http://git-scm.com/

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570111 is a reply to message #1335] Sat, 04 April 2009 17:27 Go to previous message
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Maybe you know an answer to this, too?

Why is a team provider project like Subversive under "technology" and
another one like Egit isn't ?

Thanks,
Werner

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570201 is a reply to message #1347] Sat, 04 April 2009 18:57 Go to previous message
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Isn't the plan for EGit to be part of technology? After all, it's a
proposal.

BTW Shawn et al - there's a missing 'e' in Ganymede on the EGit page:
http://code.google.com/p/egit/

"The plugin only works on Eclipse 3.4 (Ganymed) or newer"

Is there a web-based Git viewer, like viewcvs/viewsvn? I couldn't see an
easy way to browse the source from the current google project page.

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570357 is a reply to message #1347] Sat, 04 April 2009 20:11 Go to previous message
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(or are you asking why the newsgroup is 'eclipse.git' instead of
'eclipse.technology.git')

Alex

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570369 is a reply to message #1352] Sun, 05 April 2009 04:10 Go to previous message
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Alex Blewitt wrote:

> Isn't the plan for EGit to be part of technology? After all, it's a
> proposal.
>
> BTW Shawn et al - there's a missing 'e' in Ganymede on the EGit page:
> http://code.google.com/p/egit/
>
> "The plugin only works on Eclipse 3.4 (Ganymed) or newer"
fixed.
>
> Is there a web-based Git viewer, like viewcvs/viewsvn? I couldn't see an
> easy way to browse the source from the current google project page.

On the Egit page. Look at the links section to the right and click
on gitweb.

-- robin

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570401 is a reply to message #1364] Sun, 05 April 2009 17:50 Go to previous message
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"Alex Blewitt" <alex_blewitt@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:73e709d0196172b8a59dc40b7d46e4cd$1@www.eclipse.org...
> (or are you asking why the newsgroup is 'eclipse.git' instead of
> 'eclipse.technology.git')
>
> Alex
>

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570419 is a reply to message #1380] Sun, 05 April 2009 18:34 Go to previous message
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Werner Keil wrote:
> Both
>
> "Alex Blewitt" <alex_blewitt@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:73e709d0196172b8a59dc40b7d46e4cd$1@www.eclipse.org...
>> (or are you asking why the newsgroup is 'eclipse.git' instead of
>> 'eclipse.technology.git')

If you read the EGit project proposal, yes, EGit is proposed to be under
the Technology project.

I asked EMO why this group is "eclipse.egit" and not
"eclipse.technology.egit", and the answer was they were starting to drop
the "technology" part out of the names of the newsgroups. So... I don't
know why that is, or what lead to that decision, but "eclipse.egit" is
what was assigned by the foundation staff, despite EGit being under the
Technology project.

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570433 is a reply to message #1385] Mon, 06 April 2009 22:04 Go to previous message
Werner Keil is currently offline Werner KeilFriend
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IC, well thanks a lot for the update.
I guess they may still keep it in package naming if I'm not wrong?

Does this project or any committed code already work with GIT projects out
there?
As a Grails developer keen on collaborating with some JSRs I work with has
projects already on a free shared Git portal...

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570448 is a reply to message #1389] Mon, 06 April 2009 22:39 Go to previous message
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Werner Keil wrote:
> IC, well thanks a lot for the update.
> I guess they may still keep it in package naming if I'm not wrong?

I would assume they would, yes.

> Does this project or any committed code already work with GIT projects
> out there?

Of course. A primary concern of EGit is to be 100% compatible with
existing Git repositories, and the git-core command line tools. To the
extent that a repository created with either tool can be transparently
used by the other one.

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570519 is a reply to message #1369] Tue, 07 April 2009 05:31 Go to previous message
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Obvious now, when I see it, but a one-word link, particularly with
unfamiliar technology, is easy to miss. Could you add a sentence in the
main blurb of the page with "you can browse the source with 'gitweb'" and
provide the link in there as well?

I ask because there's a reference on the main page to see
SUBMITTING_PATCHES which would also be good to provide a hyperlink too.

Alex

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570603 is a reply to message #1400] Tue, 07 April 2009 18:15 Go to previous message
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Alex Blewitt wrote:
> Obvious now, when I see it, but a one-word link, particularly with
> unfamiliar technology, is easy to miss. Could you add a sentence in the
> main blurb of the page with "you can browse the source with 'gitweb'"
> and provide the link in there as well?
>
> I ask because there's a reference on the main page to see
> SUBMITTING_PATCHES which would also be good to provide a hyperlink too.
> Alex

Thanks, great ideas. Links added.

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570646 is a reply to message #1385] Mon, 13 April 2009 20:19 Go to previous message
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Shawn Pearce wrote:
> So... I don't
> know why that is, or what lead to that decision, but "eclipse.egit" is
> what was assigned by the foundation staff, despite EGit being under the
> Technology project.

Because projects now tend to move across top-level projects, we are
flattening many of our namespaces that make moving projects problematic.
The same applies to download directories (download.eclipse.org/egit
instead of download.eclipse.org/technology/egit). Also, mailing lists
always ignored the parent project, as did the website URL
(www.eclipse.org/projectname) so we're also becoming more consistent.

Denis

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Re: Welcome to eclipse.egit [message #570731 is a reply to message #1419] Wed, 15 April 2009 10:48 Go to previous message
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That's great news. A lot of the perceived problems with Eclipse is that
the 'Eclipse' project itself somewhat overshadows everything else, and
that having found a technology (e.g. Equinox) it's not always clear what
project it belongs to. By moving all the URLs to be independent of their
container, it will help people find the projects. This isn't the right
forum to continue the discussion, but I hope that there's a long-term plan
to migrate the existing news groups to use the new format and project page
as well ... if there's a bug, can you CC me on it?

Alex

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