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Are Subclipse still involved? [message #8473]

Mon, 06 August 2007 13:06

h1055071

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Registered: July 2009

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I'm investigating this Eclipse SVN integration project... According to
earlier posts in this newgroups it was supposed to be a collaboration
between the Subclipse and Subversive teams. Why is it called
"Subversive project"? What happened to Subclipse? Did they pull out?

PB

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Re: Are Subclipse still involved? [message #8503 is a reply to message #8473]

Mon, 06 August 2007 13:09

Thomas Hallgren

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They decided to withdraw their proposal. You can read the reasons behind
the decision here:

http://subclipse.tigris.org/eclipse-proposal.html

Regards,
Thomas Hallgren

Phillip Beauvoir wrote:
> I'm investigating this Eclipse SVN integration project... According to
> earlier posts in this newgroups it was supposed to be a collaboration
> between the Subclipse and Subversive teams. Why is it called
> "Subversive project"? What happened to Subclipse? Did they pull out?
>
> PB
>

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Re: Are Subclipse still involved? [message #8534 is a reply to message #8503]

Mon, 06 August 2007 14:07

h1055071

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Registered: July 2009

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Thomas Hallgren wrote:
> They decided to withdraw their proposal. You can read the reasons behind
> the decision here:
>
> http://subclipse.tigris.org/eclipse-proposal.html
>
> Regards,
> Thomas Hallgren
>
> Phillip Beauvoir wrote:
>> I'm investigating this Eclipse SVN integration project... According
>> to earlier posts in this newgroups it was supposed to be a
>> collaboration between the Subclipse and Subversive teams. Why is it
>> called "Subversive project"? What happened to Subclipse? Did they
>> pull out?
>>
>> PB
>>

Hmmm, that's a pity they seem like honest guys...

So, the current Eclipse proposal is based on *one* commercial company's
contribution who obviously have an interest in promoting their business?

Isn't that an unfair advantage?

"There's something rotten in the state of Denmark..."

PB

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Re: Are Subclipse still involved? [message #8830 is a reply to message #8534]

Fri, 10 August 2007 04:27

Paul Glezen

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I don't hold against Subversive the fact that it originated from a
single commercial company. After all, Eclipse itself came from a single
commercial company.

- Paul

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Re: Are Subclipse still involved? [message #8841 is a reply to message #8830]

Fri, 10 August 2007 08:57

Eclipse User

Originally posted by: paul.mcconkey.net

"Paul Glezen" <pglezen@us.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:f9gpcg$f9k$1@build.eclipse.org...
>I don't hold against Subversive the fact that it originated from a single
>commercial company. After all, Eclipse itself came from a single
>commercial company.

Of course it should not be a problem that a single commercial company is
promoting an Eclipse plugin. What is a little more serious is that Polarion
did not manage to create a version compatible with Eclipse 3.3 and Mylin 2.0
until some time after the Europa release date. Presumably they did not have
resources available to track the milestone releases although the Subclipse
project did manage to keep up.

This single fact meant that I returned to Subclipse, having intended to use
the 'official' SVN client. As Subclipse works for me, I'm unlikely to change
back.

Paul.

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Re: Are Subclipse still involved? [message #8861 is a reply to message #8841]

Sun, 12 August 2007 10:43

Werner Keil

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Well both have their advantages and weaknesses.
While Subclipse seems a lot more stable in its foundations (including
some special situations like Firewalls, Proxy usage, etc. where
Subversive previously just failed) Subversive has some rather nice, but
to this point still a little proprietary-looking features like Tagging
on SVN repositories.

It also works and feels a bit better with the common behavior of using
SVN TRUNK structures which has been adopted by many companies and
communities, but so far Subclibse seems to have less or no support for this.

I see no problem choosing between each of those for projects and teams,
but companies like Borland/CodeGear, IBM/Rational or BEA among others
who offer Eclipse based IDEs may usually not confuse their users by
shipping 2 almost identical looking SVN clients (at least their
perspective is hard to tell apart ;-)

Werner

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Re: Are Subclipse still involved? [message #9074 is a reply to message #8830]

Fri, 28 September 2007 23:08

Philippe Ombredanne

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"Paul Glezen" <pglezen@us.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:f9gpcg$f9k$1@build.eclipse.org...
> I don't hold against Subversive the fact that it originated from a
> single commercial company. After all, Eclipse itself came from a single
> commercial company.
> - Paul
Unfortunately the situation seem no rosier with Subclipse going forward.
The devs have been hired by Collabnet and newer cool features like merge
tracking will NOT be part of Subclipse anymore, but commercial addons.
At least Subversive is an Eclipse project.
--
Cheers, Philippe
http://www.nexb.com - http://eclipse.org/ve - http://eclipse.org/atf -
http://easyeclipse.org - http://phpeclipse.net

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