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| Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #85707] |
Tue, 05 April 2005 19:17  |
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Originally posted by: arstrube.web.de
I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k). I get
VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such as Open
With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
Arnd
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #85752 is a reply to message #85737] |
Tue, 05 April 2005 20:45  |
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Originally posted by: arstrube.web.de
Okay--I got it. I had mistakenly thought that emf was installed when
actually it wasn't. What gets me with all this is that there seems to be no
mechanism to tell me what's amiss. The plugin just wont work, that's all. I
wish it would say something like "Error loading VE: EMF missing." (hey, even
Windows apps can do that ;-)
Arnd
"Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote in message
news:d2ur23$3un$1@news.eclipse.org...
> I did--to no avail. I also (before that) installed GEF because it wasn't
in
> the VE installation.
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> "Rich Kulp" <richkulp@us.NO_SPAM.ibm.com> wrote in message
> news:d2uqh6$30u$1@news.eclipse.org...
> > Did you run once with -clean option on the Eclipse command line?
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> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Rich Kulp
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #86073 is a reply to message #85707] |
Fri, 08 April 2005 07:48 |
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Originally posted by: Petern61.yahoo.com
I have the same problem.Seriously? I gave up! Too hard really. That's
the problem with open source. It always wants to be different to
commercial Software. Why not taking the good things i.e. from Windows
or Linux aboard? Why can't an open source app not just work? You
always have to download another library, another package or something
else. And you never get the information what is missing. You have to
read through man pages, websites and newsgroup. Inever came across an
Open Source Software which just worked.
Sorry guys about my whinging and whineing but I am frustrated. I work
with VS 2003 at the office and it just works. But I love Java and
wanted to do more Java work. But my time is too precious (too
expensive?) to waste it on set up problems etc. If I need days to get
an IDE set up, I loose money. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to
look for a commercial product.
Honestly, if Linux and other Open Source Apps would be as easy to
install and run as MS Software, Microsoft would be in real deep sh**!
Cheers
Peter
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:17:51 +0200, "Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote:
>I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k). I get
>VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such as Open
>With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
>
>Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
>Arnd
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #86104 is a reply to message #86073] |
Fri, 08 April 2005 14:50 |
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Originally posted by: myersj.gmail.com
Peter,
If you install VE through the Update Manager, it notifies you of missing
required plug-ins. The download pages of every build of the VE has a
very large, very explicit list of required plug-ins, with links provided
to the required versions (see the download page for 1.0.2.1 as an
example:
http://download.eclipse.org/tools/ve/downloads/drops/R-1.0.2 .1-200503171200/index.html)
If you have any suggestions on how to improve how to convey the
requirements for VE, it'd be most helpful. Unfortunately Arnd's
suggestion of adding a dialog saying "Error loading VE: EMF missing." is
tricky, because Eclipse will not load plug-ins that do not have their
prerequisites available (but you should be able to see warnings to that
effect from the Eclipse Manage Configuration dialog.)
Perhaps the VE should look into distributing a bundled install with all
of the prereqs included as the WTP project has taken to doing:
http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/S-1.0M3 -200502260707/index.html
Thanks,
- Jeff
PeterNZ wrote:
> I have the same problem.Seriously? I gave up! Too hard really. That's
> the problem with open source. It always wants to be different to
> commercial Software. Why not taking the good things i.e. from Windows
> or Linux aboard? Why can't an open source app not just work? You
> always have to download another library, another package or something
> else. And you never get the information what is missing. You have to
> read through man pages, websites and newsgroup. Inever came across an
> Open Source Software which just worked.
>
> Sorry guys about my whinging and whineing but I am frustrated. I work
> with VS 2003 at the office and it just works. But I love Java and
> wanted to do more Java work. But my time is too precious (too
> expensive?) to waste it on set up problems etc. If I need days to get
> an IDE set up, I loose money. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to
> look for a commercial product.
>
> Honestly, if Linux and other Open Source Apps would be as easy to
> install and run as MS Software, Microsoft would be in real deep sh**!
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:17:51 +0200, "Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote:
>
>
>>I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k). I get
>>VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such as Open
>>With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
>>
>>Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
>>Arnd
>>
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #86193 is a reply to message #86178] |
Fri, 08 April 2005 18:23 |
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Originally posted by: myersj.gmail.com
Tinh,
Help->Software Updates->Find and Install. "Select Search for new
features to install", the Eclipse Update site, and then the VE, EMF and GEF.
Hope this helps,
- Jeff
Tnguyen wrote:
> How do I installed the VE plugins using Update Manager? What's is Update
> Manager? I simple unziped the plugins into eclipse directory.
> Thanks.
> Tinh.
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #86208 is a reply to message #86104] |
Fri, 08 April 2005 23:15 |
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Originally posted by: Petern61.yahoo.com
Thank you Jeff for your reply. As previously posted in "No new Visual
Class Menu Item" I had (and still have) some problems with setup. I
then used Update Manager which told me that EMF was missing (but it
was installed). So I re-installed EMF which fixed the problem the
Download manager raised. I re-installed VE using Download manager and
I still have the same problem. The download manager meanwhile doesn't
find any updates for the relevant plug-ins. So I assume everything is
there.
I am a software developer as most of us here. Honestly, if I would
deliver a product which is as complicated to get working as Eclipse, I
would be without a job. You can say what you want about other
platforms or apps, but the approach of having an install bundle is
proofen to be the easiest way to get an app running. Easiest for the
user I should say. And in the case of Eclipse, I am the user.
I wouldn't mind having to download multiple packages. But at least if
I install a plug-in which is dependent of another module it should
tell me what is missing. Just think about it, if VS 2003 would install
without any error messages or warnings and you couldn't then get i.e.
the XSD editor running and would then have to go through newsgroups to
find out what's missing, how successful would this app be? Yes, I know
Open Source is different. But why not use the good things of
commercial apps as an example? And on the other side, I can always put
pressure on a vendor if his app isn't working. And Open Source? I am
on my own. That's what prevents businesses to use more open source.
But sorry, we are getting here into a Discussion about Open Source
which is Off Topic.
Cheers
Peter
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:50:43 -0400, Jeff Myers <myersj@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Peter,
>
>If you install VE through the Update Manager, it notifies you of missing
>required plug-ins. The download pages of every build of the VE has a
>very large, very explicit list of required plug-ins, with links provided
>to the required versions (see the download page for 1.0.2.1 as an
>example:
> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/ve/downloads/drops/R-1.0.2 .1-200503171200/index.html)
>
>If you have any suggestions on how to improve how to convey the
>requirements for VE, it'd be most helpful. Unfortunately Arnd's
>suggestion of adding a dialog saying "Error loading VE: EMF missing." is
>tricky, because Eclipse will not load plug-ins that do not have their
>prerequisites available (but you should be able to see warnings to that
>effect from the Eclipse Manage Configuration dialog.)
>
>Perhaps the VE should look into distributing a bundled install with all
>of the prereqs included as the WTP project has taken to doing:
> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/S-1.0M3 -200502260707/index.html
>
>Thanks,
> - Jeff
>
>PeterNZ wrote:
>> I have the same problem.Seriously? I gave up! Too hard really. That's
>> the problem with open source. It always wants to be different to
>> commercial Software. Why not taking the good things i.e. from Windows
>> or Linux aboard? Why can't an open source app not just work? You
>> always have to download another library, another package or something
>> else. And you never get the information what is missing. You have to
>> read through man pages, websites and newsgroup. Inever came across an
>> Open Source Software which just worked.
>>
>> Sorry guys about my whinging and whineing but I am frustrated. I work
>> with VS 2003 at the office and it just works. But I love Java and
>> wanted to do more Java work. But my time is too precious (too
>> expensive?) to waste it on set up problems etc. If I need days to get
>> an IDE set up, I loose money. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to
>> look for a commercial product.
>>
>> Honestly, if Linux and other Open Source Apps would be as easy to
>> install and run as MS Software, Microsoft would be in real deep sh**!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:17:51 +0200, "Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k). I get
>>>VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such as Open
>>>With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
>>>
>>>Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
>>>Arnd
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #86253 is a reply to message #86104] |
Sat, 09 April 2005 13:28 |
 Steven Buroff
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"Jeff Myers" <myersj@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d36608$2lm$1@news.eclipse.org...
> Peter,
>
> If you install VE through the Update Manager, it notifies you of missing
> required plug-ins. The download pages of every build of the VE has a very
> large, very explicit list of required plug-ins, with links provided to the
> required versions (see the download page for 1.0.2.1 as an example:
> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/ve/downloads/drops/R-1.0.2 .1-200503171200/index.html)
>
> If you have any suggestions on how to improve how to convey the
> requirements for VE, it'd be most helpful. Unfortunately Arnd's
> suggestion of adding a dialog saying "Error loading VE: EMF missing." is
> tricky, because Eclipse will not load plug-ins that do not have their
> prerequisites available (but you should be able to see warnings to that
> effect from the Eclipse Manage Configuration dialog.)
>
> Perhaps the VE should look into distributing a bundled install with all of
> the prereqs included as the WTP project has taken to doing:
> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/S-1.0M3 -200502260707/index.html
Please do! That would make installing VE much easier. I know it would have
saved me a
few problems on several occasions.
Right now you'd need 2 bundled install files though, one for 3.0.xx and one
for 3.1 M6 and
later. Thanks much.
Steve Buroff
>
> Thanks,
> - Jeff
>
> PeterNZ wrote:
>> I have the same problem.Seriously? I gave up! Too hard really. That's
>> the problem with open source. It always wants to be different to
>> commercial Software. Why not taking the good things i.e. from Windows
>> or Linux aboard? Why can't an open source app not just work? You
>> always have to download another library, another package or something
>> else. And you never get the information what is missing. You have to
>> read through man pages, websites and newsgroup. Inever came across an
>> Open Source Software which just worked.
>>
>> Sorry guys about my whinging and whineing but I am frustrated. I work
>> with VS 2003 at the office and it just works. But I love Java and
>> wanted to do more Java work. But my time is too precious (too
>> expensive?) to waste it on set up problems etc. If I need days to get
>> an IDE set up, I loose money. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to
>> look for a commercial product.
>>
>> Honestly, if Linux and other Open Source Apps would be as easy to
>> install and run as MS Software, Microsoft would be in real deep sh**!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:17:51 +0200, "Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k). I
>>>get
>>>VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such as
>>>Open
>>>With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
>>>
>>>Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
>>>Arnd
>>>
>>
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #89883 is a reply to message #86208] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 17:49 |
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Originally posted by: arstrube.web.de
While I agree to all that has been said here (especially the need to improve
management of plug-ins and dependencies)-- in all fairness, I feel it is not
Eclipse that's complicated to get to work, but certain plug-ins.
The problem is not new. I am reminded of Windoze and the ever-growing maze
of .dll's and registry entries. Of course, Windoze has come a long way and
most installers (and de-installers) do a pretty good job of keeping things
manageable--most of the time. Note that the experts (e.g. sys admins in
large corporations) won't even attempt to debug interdependency problems.
They will work out a certain order of installation that 'works' and then
rigorously wipe clean and re-install any machine that got messed up for some
reason.
The problem comes in as soon as resources (like .dll's or whatever) are
SHARED. Then we should have a way of tracking who is sharing what and when a
certain resource is no longer needed by anyone: Time for the "Flat Share"
Design Pattern? ;-)
I think that problem is, at leat to some extend, inherent to a very
extensible, open interface. I do maintain that the plug-in loader should,
when a plug-in lacks some prerequisite, be able to notify the user of the
missing (or outdated) prerequisite.
I ended up installing a lot of plug-ins in the course of working through an
Eclipse tutorial. I feel I'd actually like to get rid of most of them and
keep only those I really work with...
Arnd
"PeterNZ" <Petern61@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qm1e5110eengekqqu4f7epkep0pcs68c4o@4ax.com...
> Thank you Jeff for your reply. As previously posted in "No new Visual
> Class Menu Item" I had (and still have) some problems with setup. I
> then used Update Manager which told me that EMF was missing (but it
> was installed). So I re-installed EMF which fixed the problem the
> Download manager raised. I re-installed VE using Download manager and
> I still have the same problem. The download manager meanwhile doesn't
> find any updates for the relevant plug-ins. So I assume everything is
> there.
>
> I am a software developer as most of us here. Honestly, if I would
> deliver a product which is as complicated to get working as Eclipse, I
> would be without a job. You can say what you want about other
> platforms or apps, but the approach of having an install bundle is
> proofen to be the easiest way to get an app running. Easiest for the
> user I should say. And in the case of Eclipse, I am the user.
>
> I wouldn't mind having to download multiple packages. But at least if
> I install a plug-in which is dependent of another module it should
> tell me what is missing. Just think about it, if VS 2003 would install
> without any error messages or warnings and you couldn't then get i.e.
> the XSD editor running and would then have to go through newsgroups to
> find out what's missing, how successful would this app be? Yes, I know
> Open Source is different. But why not use the good things of
> commercial apps as an example? And on the other side, I can always put
> pressure on a vendor if his app isn't working. And Open Source? I am
> on my own. That's what prevents businesses to use more open source.
>
> But sorry, we are getting here into a Discussion about Open Source
> which is Off Topic.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:50:43 -0400, Jeff Myers <myersj@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Peter,
> >
> >If you install VE through the Update Manager, it notifies you of missing
> >required plug-ins. The download pages of every build of the VE has a
> >very large, very explicit list of required plug-ins, with links provided
> >to the required versions (see the download page for 1.0.2.1 as an
> >example:
>
> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/ve/downloads/drops/R-1.0.2 .1-200503171200
/index.html)
> >
> >If you have any suggestions on how to improve how to convey the
> >requirements for VE, it'd be most helpful. Unfortunately Arnd's
> >suggestion of adding a dialog saying "Error loading VE: EMF missing." is
> >tricky, because Eclipse will not load plug-ins that do not have their
> >prerequisites available (but you should be able to see warnings to that
> >effect from the Eclipse Manage Configuration dialog.)
> >
> >Perhaps the VE should look into distributing a bundled install with all
> >of the prereqs included as the WTP project has taken to doing:
>
> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/S-1.0M3 -200502260707/i
ndex.html
> >
> >Thanks,
> > - Jeff
> >
> >PeterNZ wrote:
> >> I have the same problem.Seriously? I gave up! Too hard really. That's
> >> the problem with open source. It always wants to be different to
> >> commercial Software. Why not taking the good things i.e. from Windows
> >> or Linux aboard? Why can't an open source app not just work? You
> >> always have to download another library, another package or something
> >> else. And you never get the information what is missing. You have to
> >> read through man pages, websites and newsgroup. Inever came across an
> >> Open Source Software which just worked.
> >>
> >> Sorry guys about my whinging and whineing but I am frustrated. I work
> >> with VS 2003 at the office and it just works. But I love Java and
> >> wanted to do more Java work. But my time is too precious (too
> >> expensive?) to waste it on set up problems etc. If I need days to get
> >> an IDE set up, I loose money. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to
> >> look for a commercial product.
> >>
> >> Honestly, if Linux and other Open Source Apps would be as easy to
> >> install and run as MS Software, Microsoft would be in real deep sh**!
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:17:51 +0200, "Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k). I
get
> >>>VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such as
Open
> >>>With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
> >>>
> >>>Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
> >>>Arnd
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #89897 is a reply to message #89883] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 17:51 |
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Originally posted by: arstrube.web.de
n.b. for the Americans: flat share == appartment share (sorry guys, that's
just such a mouthful...)
--
Arnd
"Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote in message
news:d5dmrm$mfd$1@news.eclipse.org...
> While I agree to all that has been said here (especially the need to
improve
> management of plug-ins and dependencies)-- in all fairness, I feel it is
not
> Eclipse that's complicated to get to work, but certain plug-ins.
>
> The problem is not new. I am reminded of Windoze and the ever-growing maze
> of .dll's and registry entries. Of course, Windoze has come a long way and
> most installers (and de-installers) do a pretty good job of keeping things
> manageable--most of the time. Note that the experts (e.g. sys admins in
> large corporations) won't even attempt to debug interdependency problems.
> They will work out a certain order of installation that 'works' and then
> rigorously wipe clean and re-install any machine that got messed up for
some
> reason.
>
> The problem comes in as soon as resources (like .dll's or whatever) are
> SHARED. Then we should have a way of tracking who is sharing what and when
a
> certain resource is no longer needed by anyone: Time for the "Flat Share"
> Design Pattern? ;-)
>
> I think that problem is, at leat to some extend, inherent to a very
> extensible, open interface. I do maintain that the plug-in loader should,
> when a plug-in lacks some prerequisite, be able to notify the user of the
> missing (or outdated) prerequisite.
>
> I ended up installing a lot of plug-ins in the course of working through
an
> Eclipse tutorial. I feel I'd actually like to get rid of most of them and
> keep only those I really work with...
>
> Arnd
>
> "PeterNZ" <Petern61@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:qm1e5110eengekqqu4f7epkep0pcs68c4o@4ax.com...
> > Thank you Jeff for your reply. As previously posted in "No new Visual
> > Class Menu Item" I had (and still have) some problems with setup. I
> > then used Update Manager which told me that EMF was missing (but it
> > was installed). So I re-installed EMF which fixed the problem the
> > Download manager raised. I re-installed VE using Download manager and
> > I still have the same problem. The download manager meanwhile doesn't
> > find any updates for the relevant plug-ins. So I assume everything is
> > there.
> >
> > I am a software developer as most of us here. Honestly, if I would
> > deliver a product which is as complicated to get working as Eclipse, I
> > would be without a job. You can say what you want about other
> > platforms or apps, but the approach of having an install bundle is
> > proofen to be the easiest way to get an app running. Easiest for the
> > user I should say. And in the case of Eclipse, I am the user.
> >
> > I wouldn't mind having to download multiple packages. But at least if
> > I install a plug-in which is dependent of another module it should
> > tell me what is missing. Just think about it, if VS 2003 would install
> > without any error messages or warnings and you couldn't then get i.e.
> > the XSD editor running and would then have to go through newsgroups to
> > find out what's missing, how successful would this app be? Yes, I know
> > Open Source is different. But why not use the good things of
> > commercial apps as an example? And on the other side, I can always put
> > pressure on a vendor if his app isn't working. And Open Source? I am
> > on my own. That's what prevents businesses to use more open source.
> >
> > But sorry, we are getting here into a Discussion about Open Source
> > which is Off Topic.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:50:43 -0400, Jeff Myers <myersj@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Peter,
> > >
> > >If you install VE through the Update Manager, it notifies you of
missing
> > >required plug-ins. The download pages of every build of the VE has a
> > >very large, very explicit list of required plug-ins, with links
provided
> > >to the required versions (see the download page for 1.0.2.1 as an
> > >example:
> >
>
> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/ve/downloads/drops/R-1.0.2 .1-200503171200
> /index.html)
> > >
> > >If you have any suggestions on how to improve how to convey the
> > >requirements for VE, it'd be most helpful. Unfortunately Arnd's
> > >suggestion of adding a dialog saying "Error loading VE: EMF missing."
is
> > >tricky, because Eclipse will not load plug-ins that do not have their
> > >prerequisites available (but you should be able to see warnings to that
> > >effect from the Eclipse Manage Configuration dialog.)
> > >
> > >Perhaps the VE should look into distributing a bundled install with all
> > >of the prereqs included as the WTP project has taken to doing:
> >
>
> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/S-1.0M3 -200502260707/i
> ndex.html
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > > - Jeff
> > >
> > >PeterNZ wrote:
> > >> I have the same problem.Seriously? I gave up! Too hard really. That's
> > >> the problem with open source. It always wants to be different to
> > >> commercial Software. Why not taking the good things i.e. from Windows
> > >> or Linux aboard? Why can't an open source app not just work? You
> > >> always have to download another library, another package or
something
> > >> else. And you never get the information what is missing. You have to
> > >> read through man pages, websites and newsgroup. Inever came across an
> > >> Open Source Software which just worked.
> > >>
> > >> Sorry guys about my whinging and whineing but I am frustrated. I work
> > >> with VS 2003 at the office and it just works. But I love Java and
> > >> wanted to do more Java work. But my time is too precious (too
> > >> expensive?) to waste it on set up problems etc. If I need days to
get
> > >> an IDE set up, I loose money. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to
> > >> look for a commercial product.
> > >>
> > >> Honestly, if Linux and other Open Source Apps would be as easy to
> > >> install and run as MS Software, Microsoft would be in real deep
sh**!
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >>
> > >> Peter
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:17:51 +0200, "Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k).
I
> get
> > >>>VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such
as
> Open
> > >>>With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
> > >>>
> > >>>Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
> > >>>Arnd
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
>
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #606268 is a reply to message #85737] |
Tue, 05 April 2005 20:45 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: arstrube.web.de
Okay--I got it. I had mistakenly thought that emf was installed when
actually it wasn't. What gets me with all this is that there seems to be no
mechanism to tell me what's amiss. The plugin just wont work, that's all. I
wish it would say something like "Error loading VE: EMF missing." (hey, even
Windows apps can do that ;-)
Arnd
"Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote in message
news:d2ur23$3un$1@news.eclipse.org...
> I did--to no avail. I also (before that) installed GEF because it wasn't
in
> the VE installation.
>
> "Rich Kulp" <richkulp@us.NO_SPAM.ibm.com> wrote in message
> news:d2uqh6$30u$1@news.eclipse.org...
> > Did you run once with -clean option on the Eclipse command line?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Rich Kulp
>
>
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #607067 is a reply to message #85707] |
Fri, 08 April 2005 07:48 |
| Eclipse User |
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|
Originally posted by: Petern61.yahoo.com
I have the same problem.Seriously? I gave up! Too hard really. That's
the problem with open source. It always wants to be different to
commercial Software. Why not taking the good things i.e. from Windows
or Linux aboard? Why can't an open source app not just work? You
always have to download another library, another package or something
else. And you never get the information what is missing. You have to
read through man pages, websites and newsgroup. Inever came across an
Open Source Software which just worked.
Sorry guys about my whinging and whineing but I am frustrated. I work
with VS 2003 at the office and it just works. But I love Java and
wanted to do more Java work. But my time is too precious (too
expensive?) to waste it on set up problems etc. If I need days to get
an IDE set up, I loose money. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to
look for a commercial product.
Honestly, if Linux and other Open Source Apps would be as easy to
install and run as MS Software, Microsoft would be in real deep sh**!
Cheers
Peter
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:17:51 +0200, "Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote:
>I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k). I get
>VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such as Open
>With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
>
>Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
>Arnd
>
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #607071 is a reply to message #86073] |
Fri, 08 April 2005 14:50 |
Jeff Myers
Messages: 396
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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|
Peter,
If you install VE through the Update Manager, it notifies you of missing
required plug-ins. The download pages of every build of the VE has a
very large, very explicit list of required plug-ins, with links provided
to the required versions (see the download page for 1.0.2.1 as an
example:
http://download.eclipse.org/tools/ve/downloads/drops/R-1.0.2 .1-200503171200/index.html)
If you have any suggestions on how to improve how to convey the
requirements for VE, it'd be most helpful. Unfortunately Arnd's
suggestion of adding a dialog saying "Error loading VE: EMF missing." is
tricky, because Eclipse will not load plug-ins that do not have their
prerequisites available (but you should be able to see warnings to that
effect from the Eclipse Manage Configuration dialog.)
Perhaps the VE should look into distributing a bundled install with all
of the prereqs included as the WTP project has taken to doing:
http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/S-1.0M3 -200502260707/index.html
Thanks,
- Jeff
PeterNZ wrote:
> I have the same problem.Seriously? I gave up! Too hard really. That's
> the problem with open source. It always wants to be different to
> commercial Software. Why not taking the good things i.e. from Windows
> or Linux aboard? Why can't an open source app not just work? You
> always have to download another library, another package or something
> else. And you never get the information what is missing. You have to
> read through man pages, websites and newsgroup. Inever came across an
> Open Source Software which just worked.
>
> Sorry guys about my whinging and whineing but I am frustrated. I work
> with VS 2003 at the office and it just works. But I love Java and
> wanted to do more Java work. But my time is too precious (too
> expensive?) to waste it on set up problems etc. If I need days to get
> an IDE set up, I loose money. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to
> look for a commercial product.
>
> Honestly, if Linux and other Open Source Apps would be as easy to
> install and run as MS Software, Microsoft would be in real deep sh**!
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:17:51 +0200, "Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote:
>
>
>>I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k). I get
>>VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such as Open
>>With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
>>
>>Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
>>Arnd
>>
>
>
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #607080 is a reply to message #86104] |
Fri, 08 April 2005 23:15 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: Petern61.yahoo.com
Thank you Jeff for your reply. As previously posted in "No new Visual
Class Menu Item" I had (and still have) some problems with setup. I
then used Update Manager which told me that EMF was missing (but it
was installed). So I re-installed EMF which fixed the problem the
Download manager raised. I re-installed VE using Download manager and
I still have the same problem. The download manager meanwhile doesn't
find any updates for the relevant plug-ins. So I assume everything is
there.
I am a software developer as most of us here. Honestly, if I would
deliver a product which is as complicated to get working as Eclipse, I
would be without a job. You can say what you want about other
platforms or apps, but the approach of having an install bundle is
proofen to be the easiest way to get an app running. Easiest for the
user I should say. And in the case of Eclipse, I am the user.
I wouldn't mind having to download multiple packages. But at least if
I install a plug-in which is dependent of another module it should
tell me what is missing. Just think about it, if VS 2003 would install
without any error messages or warnings and you couldn't then get i.e.
the XSD editor running and would then have to go through newsgroups to
find out what's missing, how successful would this app be? Yes, I know
Open Source is different. But why not use the good things of
commercial apps as an example? And on the other side, I can always put
pressure on a vendor if his app isn't working. And Open Source? I am
on my own. That's what prevents businesses to use more open source.
But sorry, we are getting here into a Discussion about Open Source
which is Off Topic.
Cheers
Peter
On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:50:43 -0400, Jeff Myers <myersj@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Peter,
>
>If you install VE through the Update Manager, it notifies you of missing
>required plug-ins. The download pages of every build of the VE has a
>very large, very explicit list of required plug-ins, with links provided
>to the required versions (see the download page for 1.0.2.1 as an
>example:
> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/ve/downloads/drops/R-1.0.2 .1-200503171200/index.html)
>
>If you have any suggestions on how to improve how to convey the
>requirements for VE, it'd be most helpful. Unfortunately Arnd's
>suggestion of adding a dialog saying "Error loading VE: EMF missing." is
>tricky, because Eclipse will not load plug-ins that do not have their
>prerequisites available (but you should be able to see warnings to that
>effect from the Eclipse Manage Configuration dialog.)
>
>Perhaps the VE should look into distributing a bundled install with all
>of the prereqs included as the WTP project has taken to doing:
> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/S-1.0M3 -200502260707/index.html
>
>Thanks,
> - Jeff
>
>PeterNZ wrote:
>> I have the same problem.Seriously? I gave up! Too hard really. That's
>> the problem with open source. It always wants to be different to
>> commercial Software. Why not taking the good things i.e. from Windows
>> or Linux aboard? Why can't an open source app not just work? You
>> always have to download another library, another package or something
>> else. And you never get the information what is missing. You have to
>> read through man pages, websites and newsgroup. Inever came across an
>> Open Source Software which just worked.
>>
>> Sorry guys about my whinging and whineing but I am frustrated. I work
>> with VS 2003 at the office and it just works. But I love Java and
>> wanted to do more Java work. But my time is too precious (too
>> expensive?) to waste it on set up problems etc. If I need days to get
>> an IDE set up, I loose money. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to
>> look for a commercial product.
>>
>> Honestly, if Linux and other Open Source Apps would be as easy to
>> install and run as MS Software, Microsoft would be in real deep sh**!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:17:51 +0200, "Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k). I get
>>>VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such as Open
>>>With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
>>>
>>>Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
>>>Arnd
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #607083 is a reply to message #86104] |
Sat, 09 April 2005 13:28 |
Steven Buroff
Messages: 119
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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"Jeff Myers" <myersj@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d36608$2lm$1@news.eclipse.org...
> Peter,
>
> If you install VE through the Update Manager, it notifies you of missing
> required plug-ins. The download pages of every build of the VE has a very
> large, very explicit list of required plug-ins, with links provided to the
> required versions (see the download page for 1.0.2.1 as an example:
> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/ve/downloads/drops/R-1.0.2 .1-200503171200/index.html)
>
> If you have any suggestions on how to improve how to convey the
> requirements for VE, it'd be most helpful. Unfortunately Arnd's
> suggestion of adding a dialog saying "Error loading VE: EMF missing." is
> tricky, because Eclipse will not load plug-ins that do not have their
> prerequisites available (but you should be able to see warnings to that
> effect from the Eclipse Manage Configuration dialog.)
>
> Perhaps the VE should look into distributing a bundled install with all of
> the prereqs included as the WTP project has taken to doing:
> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/S-1.0M3 -200502260707/index.html
Please do! That would make installing VE much easier. I know it would have
saved me a
few problems on several occasions.
Right now you'd need 2 bundled install files though, one for 3.0.xx and one
for 3.1 M6 and
later. Thanks much.
Steve Buroff
>
> Thanks,
> - Jeff
>
> PeterNZ wrote:
>> I have the same problem.Seriously? I gave up! Too hard really. That's
>> the problem with open source. It always wants to be different to
>> commercial Software. Why not taking the good things i.e. from Windows
>> or Linux aboard? Why can't an open source app not just work? You
>> always have to download another library, another package or something
>> else. And you never get the information what is missing. You have to
>> read through man pages, websites and newsgroup. Inever came across an
>> Open Source Software which just worked.
>>
>> Sorry guys about my whinging and whineing but I am frustrated. I work
>> with VS 2003 at the office and it just works. But I love Java and
>> wanted to do more Java work. But my time is too precious (too
>> expensive?) to waste it on set up problems etc. If I need days to get
>> an IDE set up, I loose money. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to
>> look for a commercial product.
>>
>> Honestly, if Linux and other Open Source Apps would be as easy to
>> install and run as MS Software, Microsoft would be in real deep sh**!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:17:51 +0200, "Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k). I
>>>get
>>>VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such as
>>>Open
>>>With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
>>>
>>>Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
>>>Arnd
>>>
>>
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #607348 is a reply to message #86208] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 17:49 |
| Eclipse User |
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|
Originally posted by: arstrube.web.de
While I agree to all that has been said here (especially the need to improve
management of plug-ins and dependencies)-- in all fairness, I feel it is not
Eclipse that's complicated to get to work, but certain plug-ins.
The problem is not new. I am reminded of Windoze and the ever-growing maze
of .dll's and registry entries. Of course, Windoze has come a long way and
most installers (and de-installers) do a pretty good job of keeping things
manageable--most of the time. Note that the experts (e.g. sys admins in
large corporations) won't even attempt to debug interdependency problems.
They will work out a certain order of installation that 'works' and then
rigorously wipe clean and re-install any machine that got messed up for some
reason.
The problem comes in as soon as resources (like .dll's or whatever) are
SHARED. Then we should have a way of tracking who is sharing what and when a
certain resource is no longer needed by anyone: Time for the "Flat Share"
Design Pattern? ;-)
I think that problem is, at leat to some extend, inherent to a very
extensible, open interface. I do maintain that the plug-in loader should,
when a plug-in lacks some prerequisite, be able to notify the user of the
missing (or outdated) prerequisite.
I ended up installing a lot of plug-ins in the course of working through an
Eclipse tutorial. I feel I'd actually like to get rid of most of them and
keep only those I really work with...
Arnd
"PeterNZ" <Petern61@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qm1e5110eengekqqu4f7epkep0pcs68c4o@4ax.com...
> Thank you Jeff for your reply. As previously posted in "No new Visual
> Class Menu Item" I had (and still have) some problems with setup. I
> then used Update Manager which told me that EMF was missing (but it
> was installed). So I re-installed EMF which fixed the problem the
> Download manager raised. I re-installed VE using Download manager and
> I still have the same problem. The download manager meanwhile doesn't
> find any updates for the relevant plug-ins. So I assume everything is
> there.
>
> I am a software developer as most of us here. Honestly, if I would
> deliver a product which is as complicated to get working as Eclipse, I
> would be without a job. You can say what you want about other
> platforms or apps, but the approach of having an install bundle is
> proofen to be the easiest way to get an app running. Easiest for the
> user I should say. And in the case of Eclipse, I am the user.
>
> I wouldn't mind having to download multiple packages. But at least if
> I install a plug-in which is dependent of another module it should
> tell me what is missing. Just think about it, if VS 2003 would install
> without any error messages or warnings and you couldn't then get i.e.
> the XSD editor running and would then have to go through newsgroups to
> find out what's missing, how successful would this app be? Yes, I know
> Open Source is different. But why not use the good things of
> commercial apps as an example? And on the other side, I can always put
> pressure on a vendor if his app isn't working. And Open Source? I am
> on my own. That's what prevents businesses to use more open source.
>
> But sorry, we are getting here into a Discussion about Open Source
> which is Off Topic.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:50:43 -0400, Jeff Myers <myersj@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Peter,
> >
> >If you install VE through the Update Manager, it notifies you of missing
> >required plug-ins. The download pages of every build of the VE has a
> >very large, very explicit list of required plug-ins, with links provided
> >to the required versions (see the download page for 1.0.2.1 as an
> >example:
>
> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/ve/downloads/drops/R-1.0.2 .1-200503171200
/index.html)
> >
> >If you have any suggestions on how to improve how to convey the
> >requirements for VE, it'd be most helpful. Unfortunately Arnd's
> >suggestion of adding a dialog saying "Error loading VE: EMF missing." is
> >tricky, because Eclipse will not load plug-ins that do not have their
> >prerequisites available (but you should be able to see warnings to that
> >effect from the Eclipse Manage Configuration dialog.)
> >
> >Perhaps the VE should look into distributing a bundled install with all
> >of the prereqs included as the WTP project has taken to doing:
>
> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/S-1.0M3 -200502260707/i
ndex.html
> >
> >Thanks,
> > - Jeff
> >
> >PeterNZ wrote:
> >> I have the same problem.Seriously? I gave up! Too hard really. That's
> >> the problem with open source. It always wants to be different to
> >> commercial Software. Why not taking the good things i.e. from Windows
> >> or Linux aboard? Why can't an open source app not just work? You
> >> always have to download another library, another package or something
> >> else. And you never get the information what is missing. You have to
> >> read through man pages, websites and newsgroup. Inever came across an
> >> Open Source Software which just worked.
> >>
> >> Sorry guys about my whinging and whineing but I am frustrated. I work
> >> with VS 2003 at the office and it just works. But I love Java and
> >> wanted to do more Java work. But my time is too precious (too
> >> expensive?) to waste it on set up problems etc. If I need days to get
> >> an IDE set up, I loose money. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to
> >> look for a commercial product.
> >>
> >> Honestly, if Linux and other Open Source Apps would be as easy to
> >> install and run as MS Software, Microsoft would be in real deep sh**!
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:17:51 +0200, "Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k). I
get
> >>>VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such as
Open
> >>>With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
> >>>
> >>>Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
> >>>Arnd
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
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| Re: Cannot get VE editor menus to show up in 3.0.2 [message #607349 is a reply to message #89883] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 17:51 |
| Eclipse User |
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|
Originally posted by: arstrube.web.de
n.b. for the Americans: flat share == appartment share (sorry guys, that's
just such a mouthful...)
--
Arnd
"Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote in message
news:d5dmrm$mfd$1@news.eclipse.org...
> While I agree to all that has been said here (especially the need to
improve
> management of plug-ins and dependencies)-- in all fairness, I feel it is
not
> Eclipse that's complicated to get to work, but certain plug-ins.
>
> The problem is not new. I am reminded of Windoze and the ever-growing maze
> of .dll's and registry entries. Of course, Windoze has come a long way and
> most installers (and de-installers) do a pretty good job of keeping things
> manageable--most of the time. Note that the experts (e.g. sys admins in
> large corporations) won't even attempt to debug interdependency problems.
> They will work out a certain order of installation that 'works' and then
> rigorously wipe clean and re-install any machine that got messed up for
some
> reason.
>
> The problem comes in as soon as resources (like .dll's or whatever) are
> SHARED. Then we should have a way of tracking who is sharing what and when
a
> certain resource is no longer needed by anyone: Time for the "Flat Share"
> Design Pattern? ;-)
>
> I think that problem is, at leat to some extend, inherent to a very
> extensible, open interface. I do maintain that the plug-in loader should,
> when a plug-in lacks some prerequisite, be able to notify the user of the
> missing (or outdated) prerequisite.
>
> I ended up installing a lot of plug-ins in the course of working through
an
> Eclipse tutorial. I feel I'd actually like to get rid of most of them and
> keep only those I really work with...
>
> Arnd
>
> "PeterNZ" <Petern61@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:qm1e5110eengekqqu4f7epkep0pcs68c4o@4ax.com...
> > Thank you Jeff for your reply. As previously posted in "No new Visual
> > Class Menu Item" I had (and still have) some problems with setup. I
> > then used Update Manager which told me that EMF was missing (but it
> > was installed). So I re-installed EMF which fixed the problem the
> > Download manager raised. I re-installed VE using Download manager and
> > I still have the same problem. The download manager meanwhile doesn't
> > find any updates for the relevant plug-ins. So I assume everything is
> > there.
> >
> > I am a software developer as most of us here. Honestly, if I would
> > deliver a product which is as complicated to get working as Eclipse, I
> > would be without a job. You can say what you want about other
> > platforms or apps, but the approach of having an install bundle is
> > proofen to be the easiest way to get an app running. Easiest for the
> > user I should say. And in the case of Eclipse, I am the user.
> >
> > I wouldn't mind having to download multiple packages. But at least if
> > I install a plug-in which is dependent of another module it should
> > tell me what is missing. Just think about it, if VS 2003 would install
> > without any error messages or warnings and you couldn't then get i.e.
> > the XSD editor running and would then have to go through newsgroups to
> > find out what's missing, how successful would this app be? Yes, I know
> > Open Source is different. But why not use the good things of
> > commercial apps as an example? And on the other side, I can always put
> > pressure on a vendor if his app isn't working. And Open Source? I am
> > on my own. That's what prevents businesses to use more open source.
> >
> > But sorry, we are getting here into a Discussion about Open Source
> > which is Off Topic.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:50:43 -0400, Jeff Myers <myersj@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Peter,
> > >
> > >If you install VE through the Update Manager, it notifies you of
missing
> > >required plug-ins. The download pages of every build of the VE has a
> > >very large, very explicit list of required plug-ins, with links
provided
> > >to the required versions (see the download page for 1.0.2.1 as an
> > >example:
> >
>
> http://download.eclipse.org/tools/ve/downloads/drops/R-1.0.2 .1-200503171200
> /index.html)
> > >
> > >If you have any suggestions on how to improve how to convey the
> > >requirements for VE, it'd be most helpful. Unfortunately Arnd's
> > >suggestion of adding a dialog saying "Error loading VE: EMF missing."
is
> > >tricky, because Eclipse will not load plug-ins that do not have their
> > >prerequisites available (but you should be able to see warnings to that
> > >effect from the Eclipse Manage Configuration dialog.)
> > >
> > >Perhaps the VE should look into distributing a bundled install with all
> > >of the prereqs included as the WTP project has taken to doing:
> >
>
> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/S-1.0M3 -200502260707/i
> ndex.html
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > > - Jeff
> > >
> > >PeterNZ wrote:
> > >> I have the same problem.Seriously? I gave up! Too hard really. That's
> > >> the problem with open source. It always wants to be different to
> > >> commercial Software. Why not taking the good things i.e. from Windows
> > >> or Linux aboard? Why can't an open source app not just work? You
> > >> always have to download another library, another package or
something
> > >> else. And you never get the information what is missing. You have to
> > >> read through man pages, websites and newsgroup. Inever came across an
> > >> Open Source Software which just worked.
> > >>
> > >> Sorry guys about my whinging and whineing but I am frustrated. I work
> > >> with VS 2003 at the office and it just works. But I love Java and
> > >> wanted to do more Java work. But my time is too precious (too
> > >> expensive?) to waste it on set up problems etc. If I need days to
get
> > >> an IDE set up, I loose money. Simple as that. I guess I'll have to
> > >> look for a commercial product.
> > >>
> > >> Honestly, if Linux and other Open Source Apps would be as easy to
> > >> install and run as MS Software, Microsoft would be in real deep
sh**!
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >>
> > >> Peter
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 21:17:51 +0200, "Arnd" <arstrube@web.de> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>I installed VE 1.0.2.1 by unzipping it into the Eclipse folder (W2k).
I
> get
> > >>>VE help in the help menu, but none of the supposed menu items, such
as
> Open
> > >>>With > Visual Editor, show up in the menus.
> > >>>
> > >>>Has anyone experienced this? What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
> > >>>Arnd
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
>
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