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| Re: Mascara Proposal [message #68746 is a reply to message #67993] |
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I was also impressed by the demo and it would love to have access to =
these sorts of modern widgets. The timing is good since Microsoft =
*just* announced Expression (demo linked below), and even though I doubt =
that a more "cinematic" user experience will help much in increasing =
productivity, some of those UIs sure look pretty. =20
So what are the plans or ideas for authoring/designer tools? Also, will =
this be integrated with the Forms support which is turning out to be =
very useful (but also seems to lack a designer story)? =
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D106203=20
http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx (requires IE)
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=3D
Mik
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Mylar Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylar=20
<philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com> wrote in message =
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Chris,=20
I really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it. =
Whats the best way to get involved in this project? It looks like =
similar things are developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with similar =
improvements. How does a project proposal become a "project"?=20
Regards,=20
-philipp
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>So what are the plans or ideas for=20
authoring/designer tools? Also, will this be integrated with the =
Forms=20
support which is turning out to be very useful (but also seems to lack a =
designer story)? <A=20
href=3D"https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D106203">https://b=
ugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D106203</A> </FONT></DIV>
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title= 3Dhttp://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx =20
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx">http:=
//www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx</A> (requires =
IE)<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><A=20
title=3Dhttp://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=3D1=20
href=3D"http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=3D">http://biz=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Mik<BR>--<BR>Mylar =
Project Lead, <A=20
href=3D"http://eclipse.org/mylar">http://eclipse.org/mylar</A>=20
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href=3D"mailto:philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com">philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com</A>>=
wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:dg8oce$o37$1@news.eclipse.org">news:dg8oce$o37$1@news.eclips=
e.org</A>...</DIV><BR><FONT=20
face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2>Chris,</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT =
face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2>I=20
really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it. =
Whats the=20
best way to get involved in this project? It looks like similar things =
are=20
developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with similar improvements. How =
does a=20
project proposal become a "project"? </FONT><BR><BR><FONT =
face=3Dsans-serif=20
size=3D2>Regards,</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3Dsans-serif=20
size=3D2>-philipp</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: Mascara Proposal [message #68808 is a reply to message #68746] |
Thu, 15 September 2005 14:00 |
 Chris Gross
Messages: 471
Registered: July 2009 |
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Hi Mik,
Hmm. The Expressions stuff looks interesting. Thanks for the links.
I don't know if it makes sense to integrate with Forms. I think Forms
offers more of a framework, where Mascara is more focused on individual
widgets. I hope to keep Mascara very focused so as not to overstep
anyone else and also so I can make sure it all gets done :)
Regarding designer support, that will come too. VE and other design
tools can use any custom widget as long as it supports a Composite,int
constructor. Mascara will enable that. For Forms, doesn't
Instantiations SWT Designer support Form visual design already?
-Chris
Mik Kersten wrote:
> I was also impressed by the demo and it would love to have access
> to these sorts of modern widgets. The timing is good since Microsoft
> *just* announced Expression (demo linked below), and even though I doubt
> that a more "cinematic" user experience will help much in increasing
> productivity, some of those UIs sure look pretty.
>
> So what are the plans or ideas for authoring/designer tools? Also, will
> this be integrated with the Forms support which is turning out to be
> very useful (but also seems to lack a designer story)?
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=106203
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx (requires IE)
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=
>
> Mik
> --
> Mylar Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylar
>
> <philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com <mailto:philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com>> wrote
> in message news:dg8oce$o37$1@news.eclipse.org...
>
> Chris,
>
> I really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it.
> Whats the best way to get involved in this project? It looks like
> similar things are developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with
> similar improvements. How does a project proposal become a "project"?
>
> Regards,
> -philipp
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| Re: Mascara Proposal [message #599066 is a reply to message #67993] |
Wed, 14 September 2005 18:31 |
Mik Kersten
Messages: 287
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I was also impressed by the demo and it would love to have access to =
these sorts of modern widgets. The timing is good since Microsoft =
*just* announced Expression (demo linked below), and even though I doubt =
that a more "cinematic" user experience will help much in increasing =
productivity, some of those UIs sure look pretty. =20
So what are the plans or ideas for authoring/designer tools? Also, will =
this be integrated with the Forms support which is turning out to be =
very useful (but also seems to lack a designer story)? =
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D106203=20
http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx (requires IE)
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=3D
Mik
--
Mylar Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylar=20
<philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com> wrote in message =
news:dg8oce$o37$1@news.eclipse.org...
Chris,=20
I really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it. =
Whats the best way to get involved in this project? It looks like =
similar things are developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with similar =
improvements. How does a project proposal become a "project"?=20
Regards,=20
-philipp
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<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>I was also impressed by the demo and =
it=20
would love to have access to these sorts of modern =
widgets. The=20
timing is good since Microsoft *just* announced Expression (demo linked =
below),=20
and even though I doubt that a more "cinematic" user experience will =
help much=20
in increasing productivity, some of those UIs sure look pretty. =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>So what are the plans or ideas for=20
authoring/designer tools? Also, will this be integrated with the =
Forms=20
support which is turning out to be very useful (but also seems to lack a =
designer story)? <A=20
href=3D"https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D106203">https://b=
ugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3D106203</A> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><A=20
title= 3Dhttp://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx =20
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx">http:=
//www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx</A> (requires =
IE)<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><A=20
title=3Dhttp://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=3D1=20
href=3D"http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=3D">http://biz=
..yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=3D</A></SPAN></FONT ></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Mik<BR>--<BR>Mylar =
Project Lead, <A=20
href=3D"http://eclipse.org/mylar">http://eclipse.org/mylar</A>=20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com">philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com</A>>=
wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:dg8oce$o37$1@news.eclipse.org">news:dg8oce$o37$1@news.eclips=
e.org</A>...</DIV><BR><FONT=20
face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2>Chris,</FONT> <BR><BR><FONT =
face=3Dsans-serif size=3D2>I=20
really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it. =
Whats the=20
best way to get involved in this project? It looks like similar things =
are=20
developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with similar improvements. How =
does a=20
project proposal become a "project"? </FONT><BR><BR><FONT =
face=3Dsans-serif=20
size=3D2>Regards,</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3Dsans-serif=20
size=3D2>-philipp</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: Mascara Proposal [message #599086 is a reply to message #68746] |
Thu, 15 September 2005 14:00 |
Chris Gross
Messages: 471
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
|
|
Hi Mik,
Hmm. The Expressions stuff looks interesting. Thanks for the links.
I don't know if it makes sense to integrate with Forms. I think Forms
offers more of a framework, where Mascara is more focused on individual
widgets. I hope to keep Mascara very focused so as not to overstep
anyone else and also so I can make sure it all gets done :)
Regarding designer support, that will come too. VE and other design
tools can use any custom widget as long as it supports a Composite,int
constructor. Mascara will enable that. For Forms, doesn't
Instantiations SWT Designer support Form visual design already?
-Chris
Mik Kersten wrote:
> I was also impressed by the demo and it would love to have access
> to these sorts of modern widgets. The timing is good since Microsoft
> *just* announced Expression (demo linked below), and even though I doubt
> that a more "cinematic" user experience will help much in increasing
> productivity, some of those UIs sure look pretty.
>
> So what are the plans or ideas for authoring/designer tools? Also, will
> this be integrated with the Forms support which is turning out to be
> very useful (but also seems to lack a designer story)?
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=106203
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.aspx (requires IE)
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050914/sfw064a.html?.v=
>
> Mik
> --
> Mylar Project Lead, http://eclipse.org/mylar
>
> <philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com <mailto:philipp_tiedt@de.ibm.com>> wrote
> in message news:dg8oce$o37$1@news.eclipse.org...
>
> Chris,
>
> I really like the idea of mascara and I really liked the demo on it.
> Whats the best way to get involved in this project? It looks like
> similar things are developed by eRCP or even SWT comes up with
> similar improvements. How does a project proposal become a "project"?
>
> Regards,
> -philipp
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