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| Re: Diagram generation from models [message #633210 is a reply to message #632216] |
Fri, 15 October 2010 16:20   |
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Hi Gilbert,
There are two different things : 1/create a Papyrus model from .uml file
and 2/initialize diagrams from existing UML elements.
What you can already do is 1/
You just start from .uml file and then create a Papyrus model with 3
associated files (.uml, .di and .notation). To do that, you just have to
select your .uml model and then right click "New>papyrus model". I
creates a Papyrus model and from the "model explorer" view you can
create diagrams on which you will be able to drag and drop existing UML
elements.
Concerning 2/ it is more complex as we need to determine which elements
should be on the diagram and which sould not. If we apply the strategy
to put all elements from a given package, when you start from a large
..uml model, the initialization of a class diagram might lead to layout
problems. Well, this feature requires discussions and probably some
configuration to handle the different possible usages.
Please let us know which use case you would like to see in Papyrus and
we can submit a feature on that.
regards
Raphaël
Papyrus team
Le 12/10/2010 08:56, Jan Reimann a écrit :
> Currently the generation of diagram files from existing UML models
> doesn't exist. But since the UML2Tools are not part of Helios anymore we
> must use Papyrus as new graphical modeling environment. To make the
> transfer easier it would be very nice if I could generate new Papyrus
> diagrams from existing models. When is this feature planned to be
> integrated?
>
> best regards,
> Gilbert
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| Re: Diagram generation from models [message #633485 is a reply to message #633210] |
Mon, 18 October 2010 08:01 |
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Originally posted by: formatzeh.gmx.de
Hi Raphaël,
thanks for your reply. I'm interested in the second use case since I'm
in the situation that I have a lot of UML models created with the
UML2Tools. So - to overcome the new diagram environment Papyrus it
should be possible to easily generate (or initialize) diagrams from the
old models. I only can say that, until now, Papyrus is not a solution
because of that missing feature. I recognized that the UML2Tools are
missing in Helios, so I tried out Papyrus and could not generate new
diagrams for my old models. So I installed some snapshot of the
UML2Tools. But I'm willing to use Papyrus. So initializing a new diagram
with all model elements included would be a solution for me. The layout
is another problem. But there is a group having some layout ideas.
Consider the following link:
http://rtsys.informatik.uni-kiel.de/trac/kieler
An initial nice layout can be set with their framework and the rest must
be done by the user. For me it sounds great :)
best regards,
Gilbert
raphaël Faudou wrote:
> Hi Gilbert,
>
> There are two different things : 1/create a Papyrus model from .uml file
> and 2/initialize diagrams from existing UML elements.
>
> What you can already do is 1/
> You just start from .uml file and then create a Papyrus model with 3
> associated files (.uml, .di and .notation). To do that, you just have to
> select your .uml model and then right click "New>papyrus model". I
> creates a Papyrus model and from the "model explorer" view you can
> create diagrams on which you will be able to drag and drop existing UML
> elements.
>
> Concerning 2/ it is more complex as we need to determine which elements
> should be on the diagram and which sould not. If we apply the strategy
> to put all elements from a given package, when you start from a large
> .uml model, the initialization of a class diagram might lead to layout
> problems. Well, this feature requires discussions and probably some
> configuration to handle the different possible usages.
>
> Please let us know which use case you would like to see in Papyrus and
> we can submit a feature on that.
> regards
> Raphaël
> Papyrus team
>
>
>
> Le 12/10/2010 08:56, Jan Reimann a écrit :
>> Currently the generation of diagram files from existing UML models
>> doesn't exist. But since the UML2Tools are not part of Helios anymore we
>> must use Papyrus as new graphical modeling environment. To make the
>> transfer easier it would be very nice if I could generate new Papyrus
>> diagrams from existing models. When is this feature planned to be
>> integrated?
>>
>> best regards,
>> Gilbert
>
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| Re: Diagram generation from models [message #633505 is a reply to message #633485] |
Mon, 18 October 2010 09:32 |
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Hi Gilbert,
if we can find time to initialize a few diagrams, which initializations
would you like to see in proiority? class diagram? what else?
regards
raphaël
Le 18/10/2010 10:01, Gilbert Mirenque a écrit :
> Hi Raphaël,
> thanks for your reply. I'm interested in the second use case since I'm
> in the situation that I have a lot of UML models created with the
> UML2Tools. So - to overcome the new diagram environment Papyrus it
> should be possible to easily generate (or initialize) diagrams from the
> old models. I only can say that, until now, Papyrus is not a solution
> because of that missing feature. I recognized that the UML2Tools are
> missing in Helios, so I tried out Papyrus and could not generate new
> diagrams for my old models. So I installed some snapshot of the
> UML2Tools. But I'm willing to use Papyrus. So initializing a new diagram
> with all model elements included would be a solution for me. The layout
> is another problem. But there is a group having some layout ideas.
> Consider the following link:
> http://rtsys.informatik.uni-kiel.de/trac/kieler
> An initial nice layout can be set with their framework and the rest must
> be done by the user. For me it sounds great :)
>
> best regards,
> Gilbert
>
>
> raphaël Faudou wrote:
>> Hi Gilbert,
>>
>> There are two different things : 1/create a Papyrus model from .uml file
>> and 2/initialize diagrams from existing UML elements.
>>
>> What you can already do is 1/
>> You just start from .uml file and then create a Papyrus model with 3
>> associated files (.uml, .di and .notation). To do that, you just have to
>> select your .uml model and then right click "New>papyrus model". I
>> creates a Papyrus model and from the "model explorer" view you can
>> create diagrams on which you will be able to drag and drop existing UML
>> elements.
>>
>> Concerning 2/ it is more complex as we need to determine which elements
>> should be on the diagram and which sould not. If we apply the strategy
>> to put all elements from a given package, when you start from a large
>> .uml model, the initialization of a class diagram might lead to layout
>> problems. Well, this feature requires discussions and probably some
>> configuration to handle the different possible usages.
>>
>> Please let us know which use case you would like to see in Papyrus and
>> we can submit a feature on that.
>> regards
>> Raphaël
>> Papyrus team
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 12/10/2010 08:56, Jan Reimann a écrit :
>>> Currently the generation of diagram files from existing UML models
>>> doesn't exist. But since the UML2Tools are not part of Helios anymore we
>>> must use Papyrus as new graphical modeling environment. To make the
>>> transfer easier it would be very nice if I could generate new Papyrus
>>> diagrams from existing models. When is this feature planned to be
>>> integrated?
>>>
>>> best regards,
>>> Gilbert
>>
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| Re: Diagram generation from models [message #633535 is a reply to message #633505] |
Mon, 18 October 2010 10:55 |
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Originally posted by: formatzeh.gmx.de
Hi Raphaël,
Class diagrams and state charts would be nice.
best regards,
Gilbert
raphaël Faudou wrote:
> Hi Gilbert,
>
> if we can find time to initialize a few diagrams, which initializations
> would you like to see in proiority? class diagram? what else?
> regards
> raphaël
>
> Le 18/10/2010 10:01, Gilbert Mirenque a écrit :
>> Hi Raphaël,
>> thanks for your reply. I'm interested in the second use case since I'm
>> in the situation that I have a lot of UML models created with the
>> UML2Tools. So - to overcome the new diagram environment Papyrus it
>> should be possible to easily generate (or initialize) diagrams from the
>> old models. I only can say that, until now, Papyrus is not a solution
>> because of that missing feature. I recognized that the UML2Tools are
>> missing in Helios, so I tried out Papyrus and could not generate new
>> diagrams for my old models. So I installed some snapshot of the
>> UML2Tools. But I'm willing to use Papyrus. So initializing a new diagram
>> with all model elements included would be a solution for me. The layout
>> is another problem. But there is a group having some layout ideas.
>> Consider the following link:
>> http://rtsys.informatik.uni-kiel.de/trac/kieler
>> An initial nice layout can be set with their framework and the rest must
>> be done by the user. For me it sounds great :)
>>
>> best regards,
>> Gilbert
>>
>>
>> raphaël Faudou wrote:
>>> Hi Gilbert,
>>>
>>> There are two different things : 1/create a Papyrus model from .uml file
>>> and 2/initialize diagrams from existing UML elements.
>>>
>>> What you can already do is 1/
>>> You just start from .uml file and then create a Papyrus model with 3
>>> associated files (.uml, .di and .notation). To do that, you just have to
>>> select your .uml model and then right click "New>papyrus model". I
>>> creates a Papyrus model and from the "model explorer" view you can
>>> create diagrams on which you will be able to drag and drop existing UML
>>> elements.
>>>
>>> Concerning 2/ it is more complex as we need to determine which elements
>>> should be on the diagram and which sould not. If we apply the strategy
>>> to put all elements from a given package, when you start from a large
>>> .uml model, the initialization of a class diagram might lead to layout
>>> problems. Well, this feature requires discussions and probably some
>>> configuration to handle the different possible usages.
>>>
>>> Please let us know which use case you would like to see in Papyrus and
>>> we can submit a feature on that.
>>> regards
>>> Raphaël
>>> Papyrus team
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 12/10/2010 08:56, Jan Reimann a écrit :
>>>> Currently the generation of diagram files from existing UML models
>>>> doesn't exist. But since the UML2Tools are not part of Helios
>>>> anymore we
>>>> must use Papyrus as new graphical modeling environment. To make the
>>>> transfer easier it would be very nice if I could generate new Papyrus
>>>> diagrams from existing models. When is this feature planned to be
>>>> integrated?
>>>>
>>>> best regards,
>>>> Gilbert
>>>
>
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| Re: Diagram generation from models [message #634634 is a reply to message #634603] |
Fri, 22 October 2010 14:07 |
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I agree to say that is a very important feature. It is the way to
capture existing relationships from the model without exploring the
whole model.
+1
raphaël
Le 22/10/2010 14:28, Dave Carlson a écrit :
> This is also a critical feature for my evaluation of Papyrus in
> healthcare modeling. We create new UML models by transforming from other
> healthcare model representations, then create a number of class diagram
> views of the new model. We've had very good results using Rational
> Software Architect, but hope to use Papyrus as well in the future.
>
> In testing Papyrus, I can initialize a new .di model from my .uml model,
> then create class diagrams. But when I drag several related classes onto
> a new diagram I need the relevant associations to be added
> automatically. I tested UML2Tools a few months ago and I believe this
> capability was there (using the dialog to choose classes to add onto a
> diagram).
>
> Any chance of getting this capability into Papyrus class diagrams?
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