| SoaML support [message #478640] |
Sat, 25 July 2009 10:02  |
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Originally posted by: michael.gebhart.googlemail.com
Hi,
do you know if there is a support for SoaML planned for the future?
SoaML is a UML profile supporting the modeling of service oriented
architectures.
Or is eclipse.stp a better place to ask?
Best regards
Michael
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| Re: SoaML support [message #478645 is a reply to message #478642] |
Mon, 27 July 2009 15:26  |
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Originally posted by: michael.gebhart.googlemail.com
Hi,
I've found that there is a UML profile on modeldriven.org for SoaML. The
entire product can only be used with MagicDraw. But, maybe the profile
can be used to create a customized SoaML Editor that is not only an UML
editor using the profile.
Best regards
Michael
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| Re: SoaML support [message #478649 is a reply to message #478647] |
Tue, 28 July 2009 07:28 |
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Originally posted by: michael.gebhart.googlemail.com
Hi,
the UML profile can simply be used with the current UML editor. You can
create UML diagrams using the stereotypes of the profile.
But I think for SoaML more features would be great. Creating WSDL files
from SoaML diagrams etc.
Thus, the profile + using the standard UML editor is only the beginning.
SoaML seems to be so much more, so it would be nice to enhance the UML
editor with SoaML specifics.
Best regards
Michael
> Hi Michael,
>
> Thanks for the information because I didn't know about this profile.
> I don't understand what you mean by saying "maybe the profile can be
> used to create a customized SoaML Editor that is not only an UML editor
> using the profile".
>
> Do you mean to have an UML diagram with SOAML stereotypes or a SOAML
> editor which is not related to UML ?
>
> Vlad,
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>
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| Re: SoaML support [message #478651 is a reply to message #478650] |
Tue, 28 July 2009 11:40 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: michael.gebhart.googlemail.com
Hi Vlad,
nice! I think that SoaML is a good basis for an entire SOA framework.
According to OMG SoaML can be used together with BPMN etc. Would be
great to combine all these SOA relevant standards within one tool to get
an integrated tool chain.
Take a look at this:
http://www.opengroup.org/projects/soa/uploads/40/20044/W096. pdf
It shows the different open standards for SOA and their relations.
Best regards
Michael
> Hi Michael,
>
> The idea is really good. In 2006 I asked a phd student to complete a
> transformation rule engine to create Bpel executable code directly from
> a state diagram. Everything worked fine and the student got its degree :-)
> The feature has been included in the tool but nobody has really used it
> till today.
>
> It could be because we have just added a code generation feature and not
> a full profile. It seems also that this profile is only now an official
> OMG profile. I found that Sparx is providing such a profile, you could
> have look.
>
> My idea is that too many models are not possible in an agile project,
> therefore having SOA and UML using the same metamodel would simplify
> project complexity and allow round trip during project life. It could
> save over 80% of time to delivery projects. This is not a joke, because
> developers are useful and having object approach with SOA in a metamodel
> logic is the key to save time and add quality, maintainability to new
> projects. This approach can't really work for exiting projects but for
> new project this is really perfect.
>
> It seems that market is getting more mature and this idea is shared by
> more and more person. The SOAML profile is a first step and really cool.
> I will ask the dev team to complete this profile immediately and also
> includes the second code generation step with graphical stereotypes
> features in the tool by the end of the year. Thanks for your post and
> helping ISV to discover your needs.
>
> Vlad,
>
>
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| Re: SoaML support [message #627824 is a reply to message #478642] |
Mon, 27 July 2009 15:26 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: michael.gebhart.googlemail.com
Hi,
I've found that there is a UML profile on modeldriven.org for SoaML. The
entire product can only be used with MagicDraw. But, maybe the profile
can be used to create a customized SoaML Editor that is not only an UML
editor using the profile.
Best regards
Michael
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| Re: SoaML support [message #627827 is a reply to message #478647] |
Tue, 28 July 2009 07:28 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: michael.gebhart.googlemail.com
Hi,
the UML profile can simply be used with the current UML editor. You can
create UML diagrams using the stereotypes of the profile.
But I think for SoaML more features would be great. Creating WSDL files
from SoaML diagrams etc.
Thus, the profile + using the standard UML editor is only the beginning.
SoaML seems to be so much more, so it would be nice to enhance the UML
editor with SoaML specifics.
Best regards
Michael
> Hi Michael,
>
> Thanks for the information because I didn't know about this profile.
> I don't understand what you mean by saying "maybe the profile can be
> used to create a customized SoaML Editor that is not only an UML editor
> using the profile".
>
> Do you mean to have an UML diagram with SOAML stereotypes or a SOAML
> editor which is not related to UML ?
>
> Vlad,
>
>
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| Re: SoaML support [message #627829 is a reply to message #478650] |
Tue, 28 July 2009 11:40 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: michael.gebhart.googlemail.com
Hi Vlad,
nice! I think that SoaML is a good basis for an entire SOA framework.
According to OMG SoaML can be used together with BPMN etc. Would be
great to combine all these SOA relevant standards within one tool to get
an integrated tool chain.
Take a look at this:
http://www.opengroup.org/projects/soa/uploads/40/20044/W096. pdf
It shows the different open standards for SOA and their relations.
Best regards
Michael
> Hi Michael,
>
> The idea is really good. In 2006 I asked a phd student to complete a
> transformation rule engine to create Bpel executable code directly from
> a state diagram. Everything worked fine and the student got its degree :-)
> The feature has been included in the tool but nobody has really used it
> till today.
>
> It could be because we have just added a code generation feature and not
> a full profile. It seems also that this profile is only now an official
> OMG profile. I found that Sparx is providing such a profile, you could
> have look.
>
> My idea is that too many models are not possible in an agile project,
> therefore having SOA and UML using the same metamodel would simplify
> project complexity and allow round trip during project life. It could
> save over 80% of time to delivery projects. This is not a joke, because
> developers are useful and having object approach with SOA in a metamodel
> logic is the key to save time and add quality, maintainability to new
> projects. This approach can't really work for exiting projects but for
> new project this is really perfect.
>
> It seems that market is getting more mature and this idea is shared by
> more and more person. The SOAML profile is a first step and really cool.
> I will ask the dev team to complete this profile immediately and also
> includes the second code generation step with graphical stereotypes
> features in the tool by the end of the year. Thanks for your post and
> helping ISV to discover your needs.
>
> Vlad,
>
>
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