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| Re: Subversive ready for Ganymede? [message #2750] |
Tue, 04 March 2008 22:39  |
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Originally posted by: erkki.lap.ee
Is this a permanent issue or are the legal issues going to get solved at
some point? If not, then this seems like a pretty bad joke -- Subclipse
at least can be installed from a single update site, which makes a third
party plug-in more easily installable than Eclipse.org's "official" SVN
provider.
Currently the feature on the Ganymede site will be installed without any
connector and the user left to figure out what he is supposed to do get
one and not everyone is going to realise what is missing or where to
find a link to the additional update site ( like
http://www.eclipse.org/subversive )
Erkki
Alexander Gurov wrote:
> Dear Hiroki,
>
> Due to Eclipse legal restrictions native connector also is not included
> into the Subversive plug-in distribution and should be installed from
> the Polarion.org site. So, regarding to this we returned SVN Kit 1.1.4
> as default connector. Also we added two SVN 1.5-compatible connectors:
> Native JavaHL 1.5.0 development build and SVN Kit 1.2.0 development build.
>
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| Re: Subversive ready for Ganymede? [message #2767 is a reply to message #2750] |
Wed, 05 March 2008 11:16  |
 Igor Vinnykov
Messages: 61
Registered: July 2009 |
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Hi Erkki,
We work together with Eclipse Foundation to find a solution for legal
issues, because it's not only usability problem. In particular, this legal
issue seems as blocker for project inclusion in standard distribution
packages, etc. Every party here, like Subversive team, Technology PMC,
Eclipse Foundation, really want to close legal issues, but it's really
complicated process. Anyway, we already made step forward in this direction
and as the result Subversive became an Eclipse project. I beleive that
someday we will find a solution, which allows us to distribute a project as
one package.
Best regards,
Igor Vinnykov
"Erkki Lindpere" <erkki@lap.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
news:fqkj3f$le8$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Is this a permanent issue or are the legal issues going to get solved at
> some point? If not, then this seems like a pretty bad joke -- Subclipse at
> least can be installed from a single update site, which makes a third
> party plug-in more easily installable than Eclipse.org's "official" SVN
> provider.
>
> Currently the feature on the Ganymede site will be installed without any
> connector and the user left to figure out what he is supposed to do get
> one and not everyone is going to realise what is missing or where to find
> a link to the additional update site ( like
> http://www.eclipse.org/subversive )
>
> Erkki
>
> Alexander Gurov wrote:
>> Dear Hiroki,
>>
>> Due to Eclipse legal restrictions native connector also is not included
>> into the Subversive plug-in distribution and should be installed from the
>> Polarion.org site. So, regarding to this we returned SVN Kit 1.1.4 as
>> default connector. Also we added two SVN 1.5-compatible connectors:
>> Native JavaHL 1.5.0 development build and SVN Kit 1.2.0 development
>> build.
>>
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| Re: Subversive ready for Galileo? [message #2991 is a reply to message #2974] |
Mon, 06 April 2009 11:32 |
Igor Burilo
Messages: 435
Registered: July 2009 |
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Hello Werner,
Now we don't have any Babel translations for Subversive, I fired a bug about
this problem. "Team Provider Localization (Optional)" contains only french
and japan translations, but they are quite obsolete and I've also
contributed them to Babel.
Sorry, I don't fully understand the problem you wrote about, could you
please describe it in more details?
> As German Language Champion I'm currently testing Babel Language packs
> while working with Eclipse.
>
> And the 2 biggests "Problem Children" regarding an otherwise often up to
> 99% translation are:
> - Mylyn
> - Subversive
>
> I even installed what you call "Team Provider Localization (Optional)" but
> whatever that means to localize, the SVN Repository perspective for
> Example is still all English.
> I know, other (legal) issues may keep you busy, but for a vendor already
> from Germany I would call this a little embarrassing, at least for its
> native language ;-)
>
> Let me know, if you need any help on that? Babel Support is also a killer
> criterium to being ready for Galileo! Not just some ongoing legal "babel"
>
> Cheers,
> Werner
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| Re: Subversive ready for Galileo? [message #4037 is a reply to message #4020] |
Mon, 13 April 2009 10:05 |
Werner Keil
Messages: 1087
Registered: July 2009 |
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Since Subversive normally won't be preinstalled anyway (just take the
license issue, which also still looks WONTFIX ?;-) that may be acceptable as
long as Babel is supported.
You should no longer have those separate "i18n" updates though!
Did you provide the sources for that to Babel?
I could forward your last post to the Babel newsgroup, but beside that I
cannot help you as long as it does not show up in the Babel Translation
server.
"Igor Burilo" <igor.burilo@polarion.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:gruuul$7gd$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hello Werner,
>
> Subversive really was registered in Babel long ago (you can check it in
> http://babel.eclipse.org/babel/map_files.php by selecting
> technology.subversive project in projects list) but there are no
> translations for it, I already reported about it:
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=268926.
> I also marked bug relative to corresponding Simultaneous Release
> requirement as WONTFIX.
> Unfortunately I can't check why there are no translations, so if it's
> possible could you please check it?
> Thanks for taking attention to Subversive project.
>
>> See this "Must Do" for Galileo:
>>
>> - Localization The project participates in Babel, meaning it is
>> registered and available for string translation, etc. M6 Script
>>
>> ( http://wiki.eclipse.org/Galileo_Simultaneous_Release#Must_Do)
>>
>> According to the Wiki page, Subversive plans to participate, but not
>> being registered with Babel means, it may not be accepted.
>>
>> Werner
>
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| Re: Subversive ready for Galileo? [message #4177 is a reply to message #4107] |
Mon, 13 April 2009 16:27 |
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Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com
Werner Keil wrote:
> The CVS Team client works perfectly well in German thanks to Babel!
>
> It is a shame, you guys are too lazy to simply use some of these
> translations.
> Beside the fact, that Polarion as a German company should at least be
> capable of their own native language (well for most of you at least ;-)
Werner, the syncup script will sync up those translations where they
match english strings from the CVS client to the SVN client.
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| Re: Subversive ready for Galileo? [message #4247 is a reply to message #4037] |
Tue, 14 April 2009 07:44 |
Igor Burilo
Messages: 435
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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Hello Werner,
I contributed our translations ("i18n") to Babel, for more details please
see https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=258783.
I will remove our "i18n" plugins as soon as we have Babel translations.
I marked bug corresponding to Galileo Simultaneous Release requirement
"Localization - Babel"
(https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=254172) as 'wontfix'
following to advices from "Reminder and instructions to completeG-bugs" post
from cross-project mailing list: "For one, if you don't think you'll be able
to do something ... or, you think maybe there is a 50/50 chance you'll be
able to pull it off at the last minute, then don't wait, just mark is "won't
fix" and give some explanation as to why."
If any additional steps are required from our side, please, note it.
> Since Subversive normally won't be preinstalled anyway (just take the
> license issue, which also still looks WONTFIX ?;-) that may be acceptable
> as long as Babel is supported.
> You should no longer have those separate "i18n" updates though!
> Did you provide the sources for that to Babel?
>
> I could forward your last post to the Babel newsgroup, but beside that I
> cannot help you as long as it does not show up in the Babel Translation
> server.
>
> "Igor Burilo" <igor.burilo@polarion.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:gruuul$7gd$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hello Werner,
>>
>> Subversive really was registered in Babel long ago (you can check it in
>> http://babel.eclipse.org/babel/map_files.php by selecting
>> technology.subversive project in projects list) but there are no
>> translations for it, I already reported about it:
>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=268926.
>> I also marked bug relative to corresponding Simultaneous Release
>> requirement as WONTFIX.
>> Unfortunately I can't check why there are no translations, so if it's
>> possible could you please check it?
>> Thanks for taking attention to Subversive project.
>>
>>> See this "Must Do" for Galileo:
>>>
>>> - Localization The project participates in Babel, meaning it is
>>> registered and available for string translation, etc. M6 Script
>>>
>>> ( http://wiki.eclipse.org/Galileo_Simultaneous_Release#Must_Do)
>>>
>>> According to the Wiki page, Subversive plans to participate, but not
>>> being registered with Babel means, it may not be accepted.
>>>
>>> Werner
>>
>>
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| Re: Subversive ready for Ganymede? [message #566965 is a reply to message #2750] |
Wed, 05 March 2008 11:16 |
Igor Vinnykov
Messages: 61
Registered: July 2009 |
Member |
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Hi Erkki,
We work together with Eclipse Foundation to find a solution for legal
issues, because it's not only usability problem. In particular, this legal
issue seems as blocker for project inclusion in standard distribution
packages, etc. Every party here, like Subversive team, Technology PMC,
Eclipse Foundation, really want to close legal issues, but it's really
complicated process. Anyway, we already made step forward in this direction
and as the result Subversive became an Eclipse project. I beleive that
someday we will find a solution, which allows us to distribute a project as
one package.
Best regards,
Igor Vinnykov
"Erkki Lindpere" <erkki@lap.ee> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
news:fqkj3f$le8$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Is this a permanent issue or are the legal issues going to get solved at
> some point? If not, then this seems like a pretty bad joke -- Subclipse at
> least can be installed from a single update site, which makes a third
> party plug-in more easily installable than Eclipse.org's "official" SVN
> provider.
>
> Currently the feature on the Ganymede site will be installed without any
> connector and the user left to figure out what he is supposed to do get
> one and not everyone is going to realise what is missing or where to find
> a link to the additional update site ( like
> http://www.eclipse.org/subversive )
>
> Erkki
>
> Alexander Gurov wrote:
>> Dear Hiroki,
>>
>> Due to Eclipse legal restrictions native connector also is not included
>> into the Subversive plug-in distribution and should be installed from the
>> Polarion.org site. So, regarding to this we returned SVN Kit 1.1.4 as
>> default connector. Also we added two SVN 1.5-compatible connectors:
>> Native JavaHL 1.5.0 development build and SVN Kit 1.2.0 development
>> build.
>>
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| Re: Subversive ready for Galileo? [message #567329 is a reply to message #2974] |
Mon, 06 April 2009 11:32 |
Igor Burilo
Messages: 435
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
|
|
Hello Werner,
Now we don't have any Babel translations for Subversive, I fired a bug about
this problem. "Team Provider Localization (Optional)" contains only french
and japan translations, but they are quite obsolete and I've also
contributed them to Babel.
Sorry, I don't fully understand the problem you wrote about, could you
please describe it in more details?
> As German Language Champion I'm currently testing Babel Language packs
> while working with Eclipse.
>
> And the 2 biggests "Problem Children" regarding an otherwise often up to
> 99% translation are:
> - Mylyn
> - Subversive
>
> I even installed what you call "Team Provider Localization (Optional)" but
> whatever that means to localize, the SVN Repository perspective for
> Example is still all English.
> I know, other (legal) issues may keep you busy, but for a vendor already
> from Germany I would call this a little embarrassing, at least for its
> native language ;-)
>
> Let me know, if you need any help on that? Babel Support is also a killer
> criterium to being ready for Galileo! Not just some ongoing legal "babel"
>
> Cheers,
> Werner
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| Re: Subversive ready for Galileo? [message #567424 is a reply to message #4020] |
Mon, 13 April 2009 10:05 |
Werner Keil
Messages: 1087
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
|
|
Since Subversive normally won't be preinstalled anyway (just take the
license issue, which also still looks WONTFIX ?;-) that may be acceptable as
long as Babel is supported.
You should no longer have those separate "i18n" updates though!
Did you provide the sources for that to Babel?
I could forward your last post to the Babel newsgroup, but beside that I
cannot help you as long as it does not show up in the Babel Translation
server.
"Igor Burilo" <igor.burilo@polarion.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:gruuul$7gd$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hello Werner,
>
> Subversive really was registered in Babel long ago (you can check it in
> http://babel.eclipse.org/babel/map_files.php by selecting
> technology.subversive project in projects list) but there are no
> translations for it, I already reported about it:
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=268926
> I also marked bug relative to corresponding Simultaneous Release
> requirement as WONTFIX.
> Unfortunately I can't check why there are no translations, so if it's
> possible could you please check it?
> Thanks for taking attention to Subversive project.
>
>> See this "Must Do" for Galileo:
>>
>> - Localization The project participates in Babel, meaning it is
>> registered and available for string translation, etc. M6 Script
>>
>> ( http://wiki.eclipse.org/Galileo_Simultaneous_Release#Must_Do)
>>
>> According to the Wiki page, Subversive plans to participate, but not
>> being registered with Babel means, it may not be accepted.
>>
>> Werner
>
>
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| Re: Subversive ready for Galileo? [message #567464 is a reply to message #4107] |
Mon, 13 April 2009 16:27 |
| Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com
Werner Keil wrote:
> The CVS Team client works perfectly well in German thanks to Babel!
>
> It is a shame, you guys are too lazy to simply use some of these
> translations.
> Beside the fact, that Polarion as a German company should at least be
> capable of their own native language (well for most of you at least ;-)
Werner, the syncup script will sync up those translations where they
match english strings from the CVS client to the SVN client.
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| Re: Subversive ready for Galileo? [message #567490 is a reply to message #4037] |
Tue, 14 April 2009 07:44 |
Igor Burilo
Messages: 435
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
|
|
Hello Werner,
I contributed our translations ("i18n") to Babel, for more details please
see https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=258783
I will remove our "i18n" plugins as soon as we have Babel translations.
I marked bug corresponding to Galileo Simultaneous Release requirement
"Localization - Babel"
(https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=254172) as 'wontfix'
following to advices from "Reminder and instructions to completeG-bugs" post
from cross-project mailing list: "For one, if you don't think you'll be able
to do something ... or, you think maybe there is a 50/50 chance you'll be
able to pull it off at the last minute, then don't wait, just mark is "won't
fix" and give some explanation as to why."
If any additional steps are required from our side, please, note it.
> Since Subversive normally won't be preinstalled anyway (just take the
> license issue, which also still looks WONTFIX ?;-) that may be acceptable
> as long as Babel is supported.
> You should no longer have those separate "i18n" updates though!
> Did you provide the sources for that to Babel?
>
> I could forward your last post to the Babel newsgroup, but beside that I
> cannot help you as long as it does not show up in the Babel Translation
> server.
>
> "Igor Burilo" <igor.burilo@polarion.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:gruuul$7gd$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hello Werner,
>>
>> Subversive really was registered in Babel long ago (you can check it in
>> http://babel.eclipse.org/babel/map_files.php by selecting
>> technology.subversive project in projects list) but there are no
>> translations for it, I already reported about it:
>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=268926
>> I also marked bug relative to corresponding Simultaneous Release
>> requirement as WONTFIX.
>> Unfortunately I can't check why there are no translations, so if it's
>> possible could you please check it?
>> Thanks for taking attention to Subversive project.
>>
>>> See this "Must Do" for Galileo:
>>>
>>> - Localization The project participates in Babel, meaning it is
>>> registered and available for string translation, etc. M6 Script
>>>
>>> ( http://wiki.eclipse.org/Galileo_Simultaneous_Release#Must_Do)
>>>
>>> According to the Wiki page, Subversive plans to participate, but not
>>> being registered with Babel means, it may not be accepted.
>>>
>>> Werner
>>
>>
>
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