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Really sad [message #146149] Wed, 08 July 2009 21:39 Go to next message
Kai Schlamp is currently offline Kai SchlampFriend
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It's really sad that this project seem to have died. Or is there a revival planed or going on? It
would even be worth to spend some money for payed developers. As many of us don't have enough time
to invest in another project, but some money probably to spend. Ok, I neither have the first nor the
other ;-) But still sad. Even more when you talk to some of those Netbean guys that always tell me
of their #*!#* Mantisse ;-)
Re: Really sad [message #146158 is a reply to message #146149] Wed, 08 July 2009 22:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Merks is currently online Ed MerksFriend
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Kai,

I'm pretty frustrated too, because I'd like to include a proper VE build
in Galileo Plus:

http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2009/06/going-gaga-over-galileo .html

Unfortunately way too much comes down to the question of who will tend
the free cash cows?

http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2009/07/grieving-over-death-of- cash-cow.html

I.e., why should anyone answer newsgroup questions or provide builds
when there is no return on that investment? There's something broken
and only when it gets painful enough will it get fixed.

If there were just one dollar for every download of VE, there'd be
enough dollars for a proper VE Galileo build...


Kai Schlamp wrote:
> It's really sad that this project seem to have died. Or is there a
> revival planed or going on? It would even be worth to spend some money
> for payed developers. As many of us don't have enough time to invest
> in another project, but some money probably to spend. Ok, I neither
> have the first nor the other ;-) But still sad. Even more when you
> talk to some of those Netbean guys that always tell me of their #*!#*
> Mantisse ;-)

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Kai,<br>
<br>
I'm pretty frustrated too, because I'd like to include a proper VE
build in Galileo Plus:<br>
<blockquote><a
href=" http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2009/06/going-gaga-over-galileo .html"> http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2009/06/going-gaga-over-galileo .html</a><br>
</blockquote>
Unfortunately way too much comes down to the question of who will tend
the free cash cows?<br>
<blockquote><a
href=" http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2009/07/grieving-over-death-of- cash-cow.html"> http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2009/07/grieving-over-death-of- cash-cow.html</a><br>
</blockquote>
I.e., why should anyone answer newsgroup questions or provide builds
when there is no return on that investment?&nbsp; There's something broken
and only when it gets painful enough will it get fixed.<br>
<br>
If there were just one dollar for every download of VE, there'd be
enough dollars for a proper VE Galileo build...<br>
<br>
<br>
Kai Schlamp wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:h333lq$80n$1@build.eclipse.org" type="cite">It's
really sad that this project seem to have died. Or is there a revival
planed or going on? It would even be worth to spend some money for
payed developers. As many of us don't have enough time to invest in
another project, but some money probably to spend. Ok, I neither have
the first nor the other ;-) But still sad. Even more when you talk to
some of those Netbean guys that always tell me of their #*!#* Mantisse
;-)
<br>
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Re: Really sad [message #146167 is a reply to message #146158] Thu, 09 July 2009 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Krzysztof Kowalczyk is currently offline Krzysztof KowalczykFriend
Messages: 113
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Ed Merks pisze:
> Kai,
>
> I'm pretty frustrated too, because I'd like to include a proper VE build
> in Galileo Plus

VE news group seems not to be used by VE commiters
http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/yvesyang/2009/06/26/eclipse-ve- gets-revived/
maybe they should be asked directly?

Regards,
Krzysztof Kowalczyk
Re: Really sad [message #146176 is a reply to message #146167] Thu, 09 July 2009 15:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Merks is currently online Ed MerksFriend
Messages: 28896
Registered: July 2009
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Yves/Nick,

No one seems to be monitoring this newsgroup and that makes the project
appear dead. As you can see, there are problems with installing VE with
Galileo levels of WTP/EMF. Is that something that will/could be addressed?


Krzysztof Kowalczyk wrote:
> Ed Merks pisze:
>> Kai,
>>
>> I'm pretty frustrated too, because I'd like to include a proper VE
>> build in Galileo Plus
>
> VE news group seems not to be used by VE commiters
> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/yvesyang/2009/06/26/eclipse-ve- gets-revived/
> maybe they should be asked directly?
>
> Regards,
> Krzysztof Kowalczyk
Re: Really sad [message #146186 is a reply to message #146176] Thu, 09 July 2009 19:19 Go to previous message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANGFriend
Messages: 688
Registered: July 2009
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Sorry for missing your posts. We are now investigating the update problem.
It seems the JEM gets changed in WTP. We work on it to get a fix ASAP.

Best regards
Yves
"Ed Merks" <Ed.Merks@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4A5608FA.8040207@gmail.com...
> Yves/Nick,
>
> No one seems to be monitoring this newsgroup and that makes the project
> appear dead. As you can see, there are problems with installing VE with
> Galileo levels of WTP/EMF. Is that something that will/could be
> addressed?
>
>
> Krzysztof Kowalczyk wrote:
>> Ed Merks pisze:
>>> Kai,
>>>
>>> I'm pretty frustrated too, because I'd like to include a proper VE build
>>> in Galileo Plus
>>
>> VE news group seems not to be used by VE commiters
>> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/yvesyang/2009/06/26/eclipse-ve- gets-revived/
>> maybe they should be asked directly?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Krzysztof Kowalczyk
Re: Really sad [message #617377 is a reply to message #146149] Wed, 08 July 2009 22:38 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently online Ed MerksFriend
Messages: 28896
Registered: July 2009
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Kai,

I'm pretty frustrated too, because I'd like to include a proper VE build
in Galileo Plus:

http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2009/06/going-gaga-over-galileo .html

Unfortunately way too much comes down to the question of who will tend
the free cash cows?

http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2009/07/grieving-over-death-of- cash-cow.html

I.e., why should anyone answer newsgroup questions or provide builds
when there is no return on that investment? There's something broken
and only when it gets painful enough will it get fixed.

If there were just one dollar for every download of VE, there'd be
enough dollars for a proper VE Galileo build...


Kai Schlamp wrote:
> It's really sad that this project seem to have died. Or is there a
> revival planed or going on? It would even be worth to spend some money
> for payed developers. As many of us don't have enough time to invest
> in another project, but some money probably to spend. Ok, I neither
> have the first nor the other ;-) But still sad. Even more when you
> talk to some of those Netbean guys that always tell me of their #*!#*
> Mantisse ;-)

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<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
Kai,<br>
<br>
I'm pretty frustrated too, because I'd like to include a proper VE
build in Galileo Plus:<br>
<blockquote><a
href=" http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2009/06/going-gaga-over-galileo .html"> http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2009/06/going-gaga-over-galileo .html</a><br>
</blockquote>
Unfortunately way too much comes down to the question of who will tend
the free cash cows?<br>
<blockquote><a
href=" http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2009/07/grieving-over-death-of- cash-cow.html"> http://ed-merks.blogspot.com/2009/07/grieving-over-death-of- cash-cow.html</a><br>
</blockquote>
I.e., why should anyone answer newsgroup questions or provide builds
when there is no return on that investment?&nbsp; There's something broken
and only when it gets painful enough will it get fixed.<br>
<br>
If there were just one dollar for every download of VE, there'd be
enough dollars for a proper VE Galileo build...<br>
<br>
<br>
Kai Schlamp wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:h333lq$80n$1@build.eclipse.org" type="cite">It's
really sad that this project seem to have died. Or is there a revival
planed or going on? It would even be worth to spend some money for
payed developers. As many of us don't have enough time to invest in
another project, but some money probably to spend. Ok, I neither have
the first nor the other ;-) But still sad. Even more when you talk to
some of those Netbean guys that always tell me of their #*!#* Mantisse
;-)
<br>
</blockquote>
</body>
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Re: Really sad [message #617378 is a reply to message #146158] Thu, 09 July 2009 14:07 Go to previous message
Krzysztof Kowalczyk is currently offline Krzysztof KowalczykFriend
Messages: 113
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Ed Merks pisze:
> Kai,
>
> I'm pretty frustrated too, because I'd like to include a proper VE build
> in Galileo Plus

VE news group seems not to be used by VE commiters
http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/yvesyang/2009/06/26/eclipse-ve- gets-revived/
maybe they should be asked directly?

Regards,
Krzysztof Kowalczyk
Re: Really sad [message #617379 is a reply to message #146167] Thu, 09 July 2009 15:12 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently online Ed MerksFriend
Messages: 28896
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Yves/Nick,

No one seems to be monitoring this newsgroup and that makes the project
appear dead. As you can see, there are problems with installing VE with
Galileo levels of WTP/EMF. Is that something that will/could be addressed?


Krzysztof Kowalczyk wrote:
> Ed Merks pisze:
>> Kai,
>>
>> I'm pretty frustrated too, because I'd like to include a proper VE
>> build in Galileo Plus
>
> VE news group seems not to be used by VE commiters
> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/yvesyang/2009/06/26/eclipse-ve- gets-revived/
> maybe they should be asked directly?
>
> Regards,
> Krzysztof Kowalczyk
Re: Really sad [message #617380 is a reply to message #146176] Thu, 09 July 2009 19:19 Go to previous message
Yves YANG is currently offline Yves YANGFriend
Messages: 688
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Sorry for missing your posts. We are now investigating the update problem.
It seems the JEM gets changed in WTP. We work on it to get a fix ASAP.

Best regards
Yves
"Ed Merks" <Ed.Merks@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4A5608FA.8040207@gmail.com...
> Yves/Nick,
>
> No one seems to be monitoring this newsgroup and that makes the project
> appear dead. As you can see, there are problems with installing VE with
> Galileo levels of WTP/EMF. Is that something that will/could be
> addressed?
>
>
> Krzysztof Kowalczyk wrote:
>> Ed Merks pisze:
>>> Kai,
>>>
>>> I'm pretty frustrated too, because I'd like to include a proper VE build
>>> in Galileo Plus
>>
>> VE news group seems not to be used by VE commiters
>> http://dev.eclipse.org/blogs/yvesyang/2009/06/26/eclipse-ve- gets-revived/
>> maybe they should be asked directly?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Krzysztof Kowalczyk
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