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News? [message #143427] Mon, 07 January 2008 02:53 Go to next message
Kai Schlamp is currently offline Kai SchlampFriend
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Any news about VE for Eclipse 3.3?
I saw, that there is a talk about VE at eclipsecon this march.
Is the project back in the planing phase for future Eclipse releases, or
is there really work done for the current?
Please someone enlighten us gui-design-by-hand-haters ;-)

Kai
Re: News? [message #143562 is a reply to message #143427] Tue, 22 January 2008 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe OmbredanneFriend
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"Kai Schlamp" <schlamp@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:e76e0c6185fd2a4cf796fe7acfa498f8$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Any news about VE for Eclipse 3.3?
> I saw, that there is a talk about VE at eclipsecon this march.
> Is the project back in the planing phase for future Eclipse releases, or
> is there really work done for the current?
> Please someone enlighten us gui-design-by-hand-haters ;-)
>
> Kai

there is a roadmap there. http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Roadmap
we are a small all volunteer team, so bear with us !

--
Cheers, Philippe
http://www.nexb.com - http://eclipse.org/ve - http://eclipse.org/atf -
http://easyeclipse.org - http://phpeclipse.net
Re: News? [message #143571 is a reply to message #143562] Tue, 22 January 2008 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: mauro.molinari.cardinis.com

Philippe Ombredanne ha scritto:
> there is a roadmap there. http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Roadmap
> we are a small all volunteer team, so bear with us !

Hi Philippe!
I had a look to that roadmap.
IMHO, what Eclipse now REALLY misses is a visual editor for Swing and
SWT. A more generic editing framework is, of course, more exciting to
think of, but it might be a future plan...
If VE would be "back on track and in good shape", as you say (both in
functionalities and in code documentation), maybe someone else could
then get interested and involved in improving it further. So, as a user,
I feel that an excellent VE for Swing and SWT, better if thought with
extensibility in mind, would be what Eclipse really needs NOW.

Good work and... thank you!
Mauro.
Re: News? [message #143579 is a reply to message #143571] Tue, 22 January 2008 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: richard.groller.va.gov

How can the eclipse foundation let this project go when you have a lot of
users that want the VE?
Re: News? [message #143588 is a reply to message #143579] Tue, 22 January 2008 16:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

Richard,

The foundation doesn't directly fund any development work so unless
someone steps in to fund any particular project, or simply just does the
work, it will just wither up and die. After all, the users with the
wants don't actually part with any dollars to help fund the work that
goes into satisfying their wants...


Richard wrote:
> How can the eclipse foundation let this project go when you have a lot
> of users that want the VE?
>
Re: News? [message #143594 is a reply to message #143588] Tue, 22 January 2008 16:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: richardxxxxxxxx.va.gov

i see. i wonder how many other projects are in the boat?
Re: News? [message #143602 is a reply to message #143594] Tue, 22 January 2008 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

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Richard,

We're all in the same boat. Here's a link that will give you an idea of
who's doing what:
< http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/commit-count-lo c.php?&sortBy=&show=&year=2007>


http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/commit-count-lo c.php?&sortBy=&show=&year=2007
< http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/commit-count-lo c.php?&sortBy=&show=&year=2007>

The best solution is for people (organizations or individuals) to get
involved as committers...

BTW, Eclipse accepts donations:

http://www.eclipse.org/donate/index.php


Richard wrote:
> i see. i wonder how many other projects are in the boat?
>


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<br>
We're all in the same boat.
Re: News? [message #143609 is a reply to message #143602] Tue, 22 January 2008 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: richard.va.gov

thanks. now, i know more about how these projects work. does the committer
has to be affilated with a company or can the committer be a private
person working at home?
Re: News? [message #143615 is a reply to message #143609] Tue, 22 January 2008 17:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: merks.ca.ibm.com

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Richard,

Absolutely anyone can be a committer! The key to keeping projects
healthy is a diverse committer base so that any one person or
organization losing interest won't adversely affect the project to a
significant degree. Check out all the great people who are committers
on the modeling project.:

http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/project-info/team.php

I like to make sure that the committers have names and faces as much as
possible to help make this all feel a little more personal...


Richard wrote:
> thanks. now, i know more about how these projects work. does the
> committer has to be affilated with a company or can the committer be a
> private person working at home?
>


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<head>
<meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-15"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
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<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
Richard,<br>
<br>
Absolutely anyone can be a committer!
Re: News? [message #143715 is a reply to message #143615] Tue, 22 January 2008 18:07 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: richard.va.gov

OK. Thanks.
Re: News? [message #616931 is a reply to message #143427] Tue, 22 January 2008 00:00 Go to previous message
Philippe Ombredanne is currently offline Philippe OmbredanneFriend
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"Kai Schlamp" <schlamp@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:e76e0c6185fd2a4cf796fe7acfa498f8$1@www.eclipse.org...
> Any news about VE for Eclipse 3.3?
> I saw, that there is a talk about VE at eclipsecon this march.
> Is the project back in the planing phase for future Eclipse releases, or
> is there really work done for the current?
> Please someone enlighten us gui-design-by-hand-haters ;-)
>
> Kai

there is a roadmap there. http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Roadmap
we are a small all volunteer team, so bear with us !

--
Cheers, Philippe
http://www.nexb.com - http://eclipse.org/ve - http://eclipse.org/atf -
http://easyeclipse.org - http://phpeclipse.net
Re: News? [message #616932 is a reply to message #143562] Tue, 22 January 2008 10:07 Go to previous message
Mauro Molinari is currently offline Mauro MolinariFriend
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Philippe Ombredanne ha scritto:
> there is a roadmap there. http://wiki.eclipse.org/VE/Roadmap
> we are a small all volunteer team, so bear with us !

Hi Philippe!
I had a look to that roadmap.
IMHO, what Eclipse now REALLY misses is a visual editor for Swing and
SWT. A more generic editing framework is, of course, more exciting to
think of, but it might be a future plan...
If VE would be "back on track and in good shape", as you say (both in
functionalities and in code documentation), maybe someone else could
then get interested and involved in improving it further. So, as a user,
I feel that an excellent VE for Swing and SWT, better if thought with
extensibility in mind, would be what Eclipse really needs NOW.

Good work and... thank you!
Mauro.
Re: News? [message #616933 is a reply to message #143571] Tue, 22 January 2008 16:29 Go to previous message
Richard is currently offline RichardFriend
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How can the eclipse foundation let this project go when you have a lot of
users that want the VE?
Re: News? [message #616934 is a reply to message #143579] Tue, 22 January 2008 16:35 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed MerksFriend
Messages: 28761
Registered: July 2009
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Richard,

The foundation doesn't directly fund any development work so unless
someone steps in to fund any particular project, or simply just does the
work, it will just wither up and die. After all, the users with the
wants don't actually part with any dollars to help fund the work that
goes into satisfying their wants...


Richard wrote:
> How can the eclipse foundation let this project go when you have a lot
> of users that want the VE?
>
Re: News? [message #616935 is a reply to message #143588] Tue, 22 January 2008 16:55 Go to previous message
Richard is currently offline RichardFriend
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i see. i wonder how many other projects are in the boat?
Re: News? [message #616936 is a reply to message #143594] Tue, 22 January 2008 17:10 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed MerksFriend
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
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Richard,

We're all in the same boat. Here's a link that will give you an idea of
who's doing what:
< http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/commit-count-lo c.php?&sortBy=&show=&year=2007>


http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/commit-count-lo c.php?&sortBy=&show=&year=2007
< http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/commit-count-lo c.php?&sortBy=&show=&year=2007>

The best solution is for people (organizations or individuals) to get
involved as committers...

BTW, Eclipse accepts donations:

http://www.eclipse.org/donate/index.php


Richard wrote:
> i see. i wonder how many other projects are in the boat?
>


--------------030702090506010309070000
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-15"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
Richard,<br>
<br>
We're all in the same boat.
Re: News? [message #616937 is a reply to message #143602] Tue, 22 January 2008 17:40 Go to previous message
Richard is currently offline RichardFriend
Messages: 49
Registered: July 2009
Member
thanks. now, i know more about how these projects work. does the committer
has to be affilated with a company or can the committer be a private
person working at home?
Re: News? [message #616938 is a reply to message #143609] Tue, 22 January 2008 17:53 Go to previous message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed MerksFriend
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Richard,

Absolutely anyone can be a committer! The key to keeping projects
healthy is a diverse committer base so that any one person or
organization losing interest won't adversely affect the project to a
significant degree. Check out all the great people who are committers
on the modeling project.:

http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/project-info/team.php

I like to make sure that the committers have names and faces as much as
possible to help make this all feel a little more personal...


Richard wrote:
> thanks. now, i know more about how these projects work. does the
> committer has to be affilated with a company or can the committer be a
> private person working at home?
>


--------------000907090303080400000909
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-15"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
Richard,<br>
<br>
Absolutely anyone can be a committer!
Re: News? [message #616939 is a reply to message #143615] Tue, 22 January 2008 18:07 Go to previous message
richard is currently offline richardFriend
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OK. Thanks.
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