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Visual Design without screen scrape [message #85064] Mon, 28 March 2005 20:00 Go to next message
Gunay Arslan is currently offline Gunay ArslanFriend
Messages: 16
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi,

How difficult is to create an editpart(+figure) based Visual editor, on
top of VE project (without scteen scraping) ? I thin the big part of the
code is there already there, just need some refactoring ??

What I am looking for is an EMF model based editor that will persist the
GUI data on XML, and there will not have another VM, and the editor will
not operate directly with any language ( just the EMF model ) .
The current version of the VE (as I understand ) works directly over the
Java files, and runs a second VM to get the image of the model. and
because of that the system is very slow, and it is tightly coupled with
the java language.

Any idea ? Any guide where I should look ?


Bets Regards.
Gunay Arslan

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Re: Visual Design without screen scrape [message #85126 is a reply to message #85064] Mon, 28 March 2005 23:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joe Winchester is currently offline Joe WinchesterFriend
Messages: 496
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Gunay,

> The current version of the VE (as I understand ) works directly over the
> Java files, and runs a second VM to get the image of the model. and
> because of that the system is very slow, and it is tightly coupled with
> the java language.

Leaving aside the bit about being very slow for another day, you're
right that the VE uses an EMF model and a target VM.

> Any idea ? Any guide where I should look ?

What is seems like you want is to have a way of visualizing an EMF model
without any use of Java and any use of a target VM. In that case you
could just write a GEF application - I believe there is an example of a
UML designer that a GEF developer wrote as part of a red book I think,
so put your requirements onto the GEF newsgroup to get some help.

There is a new project called GMF that is trying to provide some of the
abstractions that you will need do this in a general framework, and VE
itself has a lot of these as part of its org.eclipse.ve.cde plugin. We
talked to the GMF folks at Eclipsecon and there might be a lot of
synergy between GMF and CDE.

Best regards,

Joe Winchester

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Re: Visual Design without screen scrape [message #85139 is a reply to message #85126] Tue, 29 March 2005 08:11 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: gunaya.garanti.com.tr

Hi Joe,

Where I can get more information about the org.eclipse.ve.cde plugin ?
From the source, the plugin is intended to be used inside the VE project.
I could not find any documentation about the plugin.There are many useful
classes that can be used in GEF/EMF based development.

Best regards.
Gunay Arslan

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Re: Visual Design without screen scrape [message #606184 is a reply to message #85064] Mon, 28 March 2005 23:34 Go to previous message
Joe Winchester is currently offline Joe WinchesterFriend
Messages: 496
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Gunay,

> The current version of the VE (as I understand ) works directly over the
> Java files, and runs a second VM to get the image of the model. and
> because of that the system is very slow, and it is tightly coupled with
> the java language.

Leaving aside the bit about being very slow for another day, you're
right that the VE uses an EMF model and a target VM.

> Any idea ? Any guide where I should look ?

What is seems like you want is to have a way of visualizing an EMF model
without any use of Java and any use of a target VM. In that case you
could just write a GEF application - I believe there is an example of a
UML designer that a GEF developer wrote as part of a red book I think,
so put your requirements onto the GEF newsgroup to get some help.

There is a new project called GMF that is trying to provide some of the
abstractions that you will need do this in a general framework, and VE
itself has a lot of these as part of its org.eclipse.ve.cde plugin. We
talked to the GMF folks at Eclipsecon and there might be a lot of
synergy between GMF and CDE.

Best regards,

Joe Winchester

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Re: Visual Design without screen scrape [message #606189 is a reply to message #85126] Tue, 29 March 2005 08:11 Go to previous message
Gunay Arslan is currently offline Gunay ArslanFriend
Messages: 7
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi Joe,

Where I can get more information about the org.eclipse.ve.cde plugin ?
From the source, the plugin is intended to be used inside the VE project.
I could not find any documentation about the plugin.There are many useful
classes that can be used in GEF/EMF based development.

Best regards.
Gunay Arslan

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