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Alternates to Eclipse? [message #67777] Tue, 01 April 2008 19:05 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: jacob.datajoe.com

I love PDT and have been using it for over a year now... I am, however
very tired of Eclipse's quirkiness with regards to running it over SFTP.
We have a pretty large project and if anything weird happens, Eclipse
takes over an hour to rebuild the project... also, it randomly hangs and
throws an error message stating that the system could not correctly
paste the text that I had just copied from the editor and at that point,
all hell breaks loose... it's like the graphics engine forgets where to
paint the text... and if I try to save at that point, I've got a 50/50
chance that it will save my changes without corrupting half the file...
when I restart eclipse, it has to rebuild my project...

I am using SFTP Drive 1.6 for my SFTP connection (which itself is a
little quirky...). I am not totally convinced that it isn't SFTP Drive
that is causing all the problems with Eclipse... However, I have never
had a problem using SFTP Drive with DZsoft's PHP editor (which is nice
but not as feature rich)...

So, with that said I figured I'd ask everyone if there is an alternative
to using Eclipse in conjunction with SFTP Drive... I am open to dumping
SFTP Drive if there is a viable option, or completely dumping Eclipse...

Thanks in advance for you thoughts and opinions!

Jake
Re: Alternates to Eclipse? [message #68641 is a reply to message #67777] Wed, 09 April 2008 16:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: filipe.f.carvalho.gmail.com

Hi Jake,

Did you try/see Target Management (RSE)

http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/

"
Our first deliverable is the Remote System Explorer (RSE), a framework
and toolkit in Eclipse Workbench, that allows you to connect and work
with a variety of remote systems, including

* remote file systems through SSH, FTP or dstore agents (seamless
editing of remote files including remote search and compare),
* remote shell access (compiling with error navigation),
* remote process handling through dstore agents,
* and remote debugging through CDT / gdb / gdbserver.

"

http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/tutorial/index.php

Regards,

Filipe

Jacob Fogg wrote:
> I love PDT and have been using it for over a year now... I am, however
> very tired of Eclipse's quirkiness with regards to running it over SFTP.
> We have a pretty large project and if anything weird happens, Eclipse
> takes over an hour to rebuild the project... also, it randomly hangs and
> throws an error message stating that the system could not correctly
> paste the text that I had just copied from the editor and at that point,
> all hell breaks loose... it's like the graphics engine forgets where to
> paint the text... and if I try to save at that point, I've got a 50/50
> chance that it will save my changes without corrupting half the file...
> when I restart eclipse, it has to rebuild my project...
>
> I am using SFTP Drive 1.6 for my SFTP connection (which itself is a
> little quirky...). I am not totally convinced that it isn't SFTP Drive
> that is causing all the problems with Eclipse... However, I have never
> had a problem using SFTP Drive with DZsoft's PHP editor (which is nice
> but not as feature rich)...
>
> So, with that said I figured I'd ask everyone if there is an alternative
> to using Eclipse in conjunction with SFTP Drive... I am open to dumping
> SFTP Drive if there is a viable option, or completely dumping Eclipse...
>
> Thanks in advance for you thoughts and opinions!
>
> Jake
Alternates to SFTP Drive? -- Re: Alternates to Eclipse? [message #68669 is a reply to message #68641] Fri, 11 April 2008 15:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: jacob.datajoe.com

I will surely give that a shot!

With some careful testing, I have discovered that it is not Eclipse
quirkiness that I have been experiencing... but rather it is the
interaction of Eclipse and SFTP Drive. Eclipse seems to rely on the idea
that the drive your project is hosted on is a persistent drive. Sftp
Drive attempts to emulate that, but as with all network/internet based
software it does not always work... It seems that as soon as SFTP Drive
starts to act up, causing the network based drive to have instability,
the Eclipse just has a knee-jerk reaction and crashes. When this happens
to me, I looks upwards of an hour while Eclipse has to slowly rebuild my
project.

So, I guess I would like to rephrase my question from "alternates to
Eclipse?", to "Alternates to SFTP Drive?". There have been a couple of
suggestions relating to this, but I figured I'd toss this out there and
see what others suggest... Our development environment lives on a
remote server, there is no option to bring that environment to the local
machine due to the extreme nature of our back-end database. We have to
use SSH SFTP to access that information. So maybe a solution is to find
an Eclipse module that handles SFTP access directly from within the
software.

Thanks for the suggestions!

Jake

Filipe Carvalho wrote:
>
> Hi Jake,
>
> Did you try/see Target Management (RSE)
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/
>
> "
> Our first deliverable is the Remote System Explorer (RSE), a framework
> and toolkit in Eclipse Workbench, that allows you to connect and work
> with a variety of remote systems, including
>
> * remote file systems through SSH, FTP or dstore agents (seamless
> editing of remote files including remote search and compare),
> * remote shell access (compiling with error navigation),
> * remote process handling through dstore agents,
> * and remote debugging through CDT / gdb / gdbserver.
>
> "
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm/tutorial/index.php
>
> Regards,
>
> Filipe
>
> Jacob Fogg wrote:
>> I love PDT and have been using it for over a year now... I am, however
>> very tired of Eclipse's quirkiness with regards to running it over
>> SFTP. We have a pretty large project and if anything weird happens,
>> Eclipse takes over an hour to rebuild the project... also, it randomly
>> hangs and throws an error message stating that the system could not
>> correctly paste the text that I had just copied from the editor and at
>> that point, all hell breaks loose... it's like the graphics engine
>> forgets where to paint the text... and if I try to save at that point,
>> I've got a 50/50 chance that it will save my changes without
>> corrupting half the file... when I restart eclipse, it has to rebuild
>> my project...
>>
>> I am using SFTP Drive 1.6 for my SFTP connection (which itself is a
>> little quirky...). I am not totally convinced that it isn't SFTP Drive
>> that is causing all the problems with Eclipse... However, I have never
>> had a problem using SFTP Drive with DZsoft's PHP editor (which is nice
>> but not as feature rich)...
>>
>> So, with that said I figured I'd ask everyone if there is an
>> alternative to using Eclipse in conjunction with SFTP Drive... I am
>> open to dumping SFTP Drive if there is a viable option, or completely
>> dumping Eclipse...
>>
>> Thanks in advance for you thoughts and opinions!
>>
>> Jake
Re: Alternates to SFTP Drive? -- Re: Alternates to Eclipse? [message #68786 is a reply to message #68669] Tue, 15 April 2008 14:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Piotr Szczepanik is currently offline Piotr SzczepanikFriend
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Jacob Fogg wrote:
> So, I guess I would like to rephrase my question from "alternates to
> Eclipse?", to "Alternates to SFTP Drive?". There have been a couple of
> suggestions relating to this, but I figured I'd toss this out there and
> see what others suggest... Our development environment lives on a
> remote server, there is no option to bring that environment to the local
> machine due to the extreme nature of our back-end database. We have to
> use SSH SFTP to access that information. So maybe a solution is to find
> an Eclipse module that handles SFTP access directly from within the
> software.

What about bringing that environment to your local machine, keeping a
database on a remote server and creating a SSH tunnel for connections
between your local development environment and a remote database?

I don't know anything about your project but the nature of PDT is that
it scans all the files in the project to build an internal model of it
and it can be slow even on a local hard drive. It will not be fast on
the SFTP connection.

Best regards,
Piotr Szczepanik
Re: Alternates to SFTP Drive? -- Re: Alternates to Eclipse? [message #68806 is a reply to message #68786] Tue, 15 April 2008 15:21 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: jacob.datajoe.com

Hey Piotr,
I wish that were an option... there are just too many complexities of
our software to allow for that at this time... I appreciate the thought
and the explanation of the nature of PDT. It makes a lot more sense now.

Jake

Piotr Szczepanik wrote:
> Jacob Fogg wrote:
>> So, I guess I would like to rephrase my question from "alternates to
>> Eclipse?", to "Alternates to SFTP Drive?". There have been a couple
>> of suggestions relating to this, but I figured I'd toss this out there
>> and see what others suggest... Our development environment lives on a
>> remote server, there is no option to bring that environment to the
>> local machine due to the extreme nature of our back-end database. We
>> have to use SSH SFTP to access that information. So maybe a solution
>> is to find an Eclipse module that handles SFTP access directly from
>> within the software.
>
> What about bringing that environment to your local machine, keeping a
> database on a remote server and creating a SSH tunnel for connections
> between your local development environment and a remote database?
>
> I don't know anything about your project but the nature of PDT is that
> it scans all the files in the project to build an internal model of it
> and it can be slow even on a local hard drive. It will not be fast on
> the SFTP connection.
>
> Best regards,
> Piotr Szczepanik
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