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Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #676995] Tue, 07 June 2011 08:49 Go to next message
Peter L is currently offline Peter LFriend
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Hi everybody!


I'm a media informatics student currently working on my diploma thesis.
This work is about a model-based rapid GUI prototyping approach based on EMF GUI models.

Currently I'm investigating existing EMF based approaches.
The only project I came across so far is the red-view/red-open project (redview.org), but until now I didn't find anything other than this!


If anyone knows other EMF based projects, frameworks or tools related to a model-based development of graphical user interfaces I would be glad if you could post them here!


Best Regards!

Peter Smile
Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #677697 is a reply to message #676995] Thu, 09 June 2011 07:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peter L is currently offline Peter LFriend
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Push! Wink
Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #684867 is a reply to message #677697] Thu, 16 June 2011 11:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nobody?
Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #684951 is a reply to message #684867] Thu, 16 June 2011 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Peter,

Ed had already answered your question here

http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/m/678799/#msg_678799

in addition to GMF you can have a look at the Graphiti project.

cheers,
Saurav


Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687149 is a reply to message #676995] Tue, 07 June 2011 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mariot Chauvin is currently offline Mariot ChauvinFriend
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Hi,

Comments below.

Le 07/06/2011 10:49, Peter L a écrit :
> Hi everybody!
>
>
> I'm a media informatics student currently working on my diploma thesis.
> This work is about a model-based rapid GUI prototyping approach based on
> EMF GUI models.
>
> Currently I'm investigating existing EMF based approaches.
> The only project I came across so far is the red-view/red-open project
> (redview.org), but until now I didn't find anything other than this!
>
>
> If anyone knows other EMF based projects, frameworks or tools related to
> a model-based development of graphical user interfaces I would be glad
> if you could post them here!
>
>
> Best Regards!
>
> Peter :)

Have a look to :

EEF (http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emft/?project=eef) :
http://slidesha.re/eVQBLP

GMP (http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/gmp/) : http://slidesha.re/gp3oMD
(Only GMF)

Regards,

Mariot
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Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687151 is a reply to message #676995] Tue, 07 June 2011 11:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by:

Peter,

- Wazaabi is an EMF-based UI model. It is similar to the Toolkit Model
(contributed to the e4 project, but not actually used by it). Both allow
you to edit a tree representation of the UI, with live preview of the
actual UI. The UI elements may be bound to EMF data.
- Wireframesketcher is a tool for sketching UIs, which uses EMF.

Hallvard

On 07.06.11 10.49, Peter L wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
>
> I'm a media informatics student currently working on my diploma thesis.
> This work is about a model-based rapid GUI prototyping approach based on
> EMF GUI models.
>
> Currently I'm investigating existing EMF based approaches.
> The only project I came across so far is the red-view/red-open project
> (redview.org), but until now I didn't find anything other than this!
>
>
> If anyone knows other EMF based projects, frameworks or tools related to
> a model-based development of graphical user interfaces I would be glad
> if you could post them here!
>
>
> Best Regards!
>
> Peter :)
Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687152 is a reply to message #687151] Tue, 07 June 2011 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
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The e4 workbench model is a very highlevel (not only UI) application
model which gets translated at runtime into an UI of the Eclipse IDE/RCP.

The model is so abstract that you can use other UI-Technologies (Swing,
Qt, JavaFX) to render the frameworks UI.

Tom

Am 07.06.11 13:52, schrieb Hallvard Trætteberg:
> Peter,
>
> - Wazaabi is an EMF-based UI model. It is similar to the Toolkit Model
> (contributed to the e4 project, but not actually used by it). Both allow
> you to edit a tree representation of the UI, with live preview of the
> actual UI. The UI elements may be bound to EMF data.
> - Wireframesketcher is a tool for sketching UIs, which uses EMF.
>
> Hallvard
>
> On 07.06.11 10.49, Peter L wrote:
>> Hi everybody!
>>
>>
>> I'm a media informatics student currently working on my diploma thesis.
>> This work is about a model-based rapid GUI prototyping approach based on
>> EMF GUI models.
>>
>> Currently I'm investigating existing EMF based approaches.
>> The only project I came across so far is the red-view/red-open project
>> (redview.org), but until now I didn't find anything other than this!
>>
>>
>> If anyone knows other EMF based projects, frameworks or tools related to
>> a model-based development of graphical user interfaces I would be glad
>> if you could post them here!
>>
>>
>> Best Regards!
>>
>> Peter :)
>
Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687172 is a reply to message #677697] Thu, 09 June 2011 14:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed MerksFriend
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Peter,

Three people answered you... Did you not see those or you need more?

Peter L wrote:
> Push! ;)


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Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687216 is a reply to message #684951] Thu, 16 June 2011 16:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Goetz Botterweck is currently offline Goetz BotterweckFriend
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On 16/06/2011 15:15, saurav wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Ed had already answered your question here
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/m/678799/#msg_678799
>
> in addition to GMF you can have a look at the Graphiti project.
>

Hi Peter,

I have the feeling that saurav has misunderstood you => You need to be a
bit more specific in what you are looking for.

If I understand you correctly you are NOT looking for a framework to
create graphical MODELLING tools (so GMF and Graphiti will not help you).

Rather, you are looking for tools for model-based user interface
engineering, i.e. the creation of USER INTERFACES with the help of models.

If that is true, you might have better chances looking at (academic?)
papers on the topic. Search for terms like "Model-driven User Interface
Engineering" or similar. Maybe the "MDDAUI" workshop series is interesting.

Best,
Goetz
Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687219 is a reply to message #687216] Thu, 16 June 2011 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goetz,<br>
<br>
Personally I have a feeling he's just not seeing the answers that are
being posted.  After all, he's not acknowledge a single one (nobody?
does imply that doesn't it) and is going about cross posting in yet
more places that are even less likely to produce answers... <br>
<br>
I'm not sure I follow your argument that GMF doesn't help you create a
user interface with the help of a model.  GMF does EXAXTLY that from an
Ecore model and various "mapping" models to specify what's in the UI
and how the Ecore model maps to it.  PMF does this as well...  Even EEF
helps produce nice forms for a model.  If Peter is looking for more, he
ought to explain why these all don't fit the bill.  Of course he needs
to see the replies to comment on them...<br>
<br>
<br>
Goetz Botterweck wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:itdbdi$dhu$1@news.eclipse.org" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On 16/06/2011 15:15, saurav wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Hi Peter,

Ed had already answered your question here

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/m/678799/#msg_678799">http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/m/678799/#msg_678799</a>

in addition to GMF you can have a look at the Graphiti project.

</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Hi Peter,

I have the feeling that saurav has misunderstood you =&gt; You need to be a
bit more specific in what you are looking for.

If I understand you correctly you are NOT looking for a framework to
create graphical MODELLING tools (so GMF and Graphiti will not help you).

Rather, you are looking for tools for model-based user interface
engineering, i.e. the creation of USER INTERFACES with the help of models.

If that is true, you might have better chances looking at (academic?)
papers on the topic. Search for terms like "Model-driven User Interface
Engineering" or similar. Maybe the "MDDAUI" workshop series is interesting.

Best,
Goetz
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Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687221 is a reply to message #687219] Thu, 16 June 2011 18:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Goetz Botterweck is currently offline Goetz BotterweckFriend
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On 16/06/2011 18:59, Ed Merks wrote:
> Personally I have a feeling he's just not seeing the answers that are
> being posted. After all, he's not acknowledge a single one (nobody?
> does imply that doesn't it)


> Of course he needs
> to see the replies to comment on them...

:-)
Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687223 is a reply to message #687221] Thu, 16 June 2011 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There seems to be a big problem with keeping the web forum and NNTP in
sync.  <br>
<blockquote><a
href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=348449">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=348449</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Replies I post via NNTP often don't appear in the web view and posts I
can see the web view aren't showing up in my reader.  It's a mess. :-(<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Goetz Botterweck wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:itdi1t$ko5$1@news.eclipse.org" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On 16/06/2011 18:59, Ed Merks wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Personally I have a feeling he's just not seeing the answers that are
being posted. After all, he's not acknowledge a single one (nobody?
does imply that doesn't it)
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->

</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Of course he needs
to see the replies to comment on them...
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
:-)
</pre>
</blockquote>
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Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687395 is a reply to message #676995] Tue, 07 June 2011 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mariot Chauvin is currently offline Mariot ChauvinFriend
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Hi,

Comments below.

Le 07/06/2011 10:49, Peter L a écrit :
> Hi everybody!
>
>
> I'm a media informatics student currently working on my diploma thesis.
> This work is about a model-based rapid GUI prototyping approach based on
> EMF GUI models.
>
> Currently I'm investigating existing EMF based approaches.
> The only project I came across so far is the red-view/red-open project
> (redview.org), but until now I didn't find anything other than this!
>
>
> If anyone knows other EMF based projects, frameworks or tools related to
> a model-based development of graphical user interfaces I would be glad
> if you could post them here!
>
>
> Best Regards!
>
> Peter :)

Have a look to :

EEF (http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/emft/?project=eef) :
http://slidesha.re/eVQBLP

GMP (http://www.eclipse.org/modeling/gmp/) : http://slidesha.re/gp3oMD
(Only GMF)

Regards,

Mariot
--
Mariot Chauvin @ Obeo

Blog : http://mariot-thoughts.blogspot.com
Twitter :http://twitter.com/mchv
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Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687399 is a reply to message #676995] Tue, 07 June 2011 11:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by:

Peter,

- Wazaabi is an EMF-based UI model. It is similar to the Toolkit Model
(contributed to the e4 project, but not actually used by it). Both allow
you to edit a tree representation of the UI, with live preview of the
actual UI. The UI elements may be bound to EMF data.
- Wireframesketcher is a tool for sketching UIs, which uses EMF.

Hallvard

On 07.06.11 10.49, Peter L wrote:
> Hi everybody!
>
>
> I'm a media informatics student currently working on my diploma thesis.
> This work is about a model-based rapid GUI prototyping approach based on
> EMF GUI models.
>
> Currently I'm investigating existing EMF based approaches.
> The only project I came across so far is the red-view/red-open project
> (redview.org), but until now I didn't find anything other than this!
>
>
> If anyone knows other EMF based projects, frameworks or tools related to
> a model-based development of graphical user interfaces I would be glad
> if you could post them here!
>
>
> Best Regards!
>
> Peter :)
Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687400 is a reply to message #687151] Tue, 07 June 2011 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thomas Schindl is currently offline Thomas SchindlFriend
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The e4 workbench model is a very highlevel (not only UI) application
model which gets translated at runtime into an UI of the Eclipse IDE/RCP.

The model is so abstract that you can use other UI-Technologies (Swing,
Qt, JavaFX) to render the frameworks UI.

Tom

Am 07.06.11 13:52, schrieb Hallvard Trætteberg:
> Peter,
>
> - Wazaabi is an EMF-based UI model. It is similar to the Toolkit Model
> (contributed to the e4 project, but not actually used by it). Both allow
> you to edit a tree representation of the UI, with live preview of the
> actual UI. The UI elements may be bound to EMF data.
> - Wireframesketcher is a tool for sketching UIs, which uses EMF.
>
> Hallvard
>
> On 07.06.11 10.49, Peter L wrote:
>> Hi everybody!
>>
>>
>> I'm a media informatics student currently working on my diploma thesis.
>> This work is about a model-based rapid GUI prototyping approach based on
>> EMF GUI models.
>>
>> Currently I'm investigating existing EMF based approaches.
>> The only project I came across so far is the red-view/red-open project
>> (redview.org), but until now I didn't find anything other than this!
>>
>>
>> If anyone knows other EMF based projects, frameworks or tools related to
>> a model-based development of graphical user interfaces I would be glad
>> if you could post them here!
>>
>>
>> Best Regards!
>>
>> Peter :)
>
Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687427 is a reply to message #677697] Thu, 09 June 2011 14:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed MerksFriend
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Peter,

Three people answered you... Did you not see those or you need more?

Peter L wrote:
> Push! ;)


Ed Merks
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Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687491 is a reply to message #684951] Thu, 16 June 2011 16:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 16/06/2011 15:15, saurav wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Ed had already answered your question here
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/m/678799/#msg_678799
>
> in addition to GMF you can have a look at the Graphiti project.
>

Hi Peter,

I have the feeling that saurav has misunderstood you => You need to be a
bit more specific in what you are looking for.

If I understand you correctly you are NOT looking for a framework to
create graphical MODELLING tools (so GMF and Graphiti will not help you).

Rather, you are looking for tools for model-based user interface
engineering, i.e. the creation of USER INTERFACES with the help of models.

If that is true, you might have better chances looking at (academic?)
papers on the topic. Search for terms like "Model-driven User Interface
Engineering" or similar. Maybe the "MDDAUI" workshop series is interesting.

Best,
Goetz
Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687494 is a reply to message #687216] Thu, 16 June 2011 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Goetz,<br>
<br>
Personally I have a feeling he's just not seeing the answers that are
being posted.  After all, he's not acknowledge a single one (nobody?
does imply that doesn't it) and is going about cross posting in yet
more places that are even less likely to produce answers... <br>
<br>
I'm not sure I follow your argument that GMF doesn't help you create a
user interface with the help of a model.  GMF does EXAXTLY that from an
Ecore model and various "mapping" models to specify what's in the UI
and how the Ecore model maps to it.  PMF does this as well...  Even EEF
helps produce nice forms for a model.  If Peter is looking for more, he
ought to explain why these all don't fit the bill.  Of course he needs
to see the replies to comment on them...<br>
<br>
<br>
Goetz Botterweck wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:itdbdi$dhu$1@news.eclipse.org" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On 16/06/2011 15:15, saurav wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Hi Peter,

Ed had already answered your question here

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/m/678799/#msg_678799">http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/m/678799/#msg_678799</a>

in addition to GMF you can have a look at the Graphiti project.

</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Hi Peter,

I have the feeling that saurav has misunderstood you =&gt; You need to be a
bit more specific in what you are looking for.

If I understand you correctly you are NOT looking for a framework to
create graphical MODELLING tools (so GMF and Graphiti will not help you).

Rather, you are looking for tools for model-based user interface
engineering, i.e. the creation of USER INTERFACES with the help of models.

If that is true, you might have better chances looking at (academic?)
papers on the topic. Search for terms like "Model-driven User Interface
Engineering" or similar. Maybe the "MDDAUI" workshop series is interesting.

Best,
Goetz
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Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687496 is a reply to message #687219] Thu, 16 June 2011 18:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Goetz Botterweck is currently offline Goetz BotterweckFriend
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On 16/06/2011 18:59, Ed Merks wrote:
> Personally I have a feeling he's just not seeing the answers that are
> being posted. After all, he's not acknowledge a single one (nobody?
> does imply that doesn't it)


> Of course he needs
> to see the replies to comment on them...

:-)
Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #687498 is a reply to message #687221] Thu, 16 June 2011 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There seems to be a big problem with keeping the web forum and NNTP in
sync.  <br>
<blockquote><a
href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=348449">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=348449</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
Replies I post via NNTP often don't appear in the web view and posts I
can see the web view aren't showing up in my reader.  It's a mess. :-(<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Goetz Botterweck wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:itdi1t$ko5$1@news.eclipse.org" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On 16/06/2011 18:59, Ed Merks wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Personally I have a feeling he's just not seeing the answers that are
being posted. After all, he's not acknowledge a single one (nobody?
does imply that doesn't it)
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->

</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Of course he needs
to see the replies to comment on them...
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
:-)
</pre>
</blockquote>
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Re: Looking for EMF based GUI development approaches [message #699704 is a reply to message #676995] Fri, 22 July 2011 07:00 Go to previous message
Peter L is currently offline Peter LFriend
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Hi everybody!

Thanks for your valuable input.

Evaluating your input I have concluded that no approach fits my needs.

My approach will now be based on a mapping to UIML (User Interface Markup Language).


Many thanks for all your help and best regards!


Peter


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