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| Re: grid widget part of SWT [message #63024 is a reply to message #63022] |
Wed, 15 April 2009 19:53   |
 Mircea Luchian
Messages: 89
Registered: July 2009 |
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Thank you Tom,
It's good to know that there is a custom widget library that gets mature
with time. Whether part of SWT or Nebula, it does not matter much for a
software engineer using the API. I have been looking in implementing a
grid similar to the one in nebula, however, seeing it exists in the
Alpha stage, I will certainly use it in my product once the API is stable.
Mircea
What matters more is the
Tom Schindl wrote:
> *[Disclaimer: This is my current personal view and has not been
> discussed with all Nebula committers but this will follow immediately
> after I posted the answer to this thread]*
>
> Hi Mircea,
>
> The initial indent of Nebula in the past has been to provide a
> playground to explore new ways for widget who might migrate to SWT once
> the API is stable.
>
> In reality we had rethink this because none of our widget will ever get
> part of the SWT release. Instead I think Nebula is going to provide a
> place for reusable UI-Widgets who can't get part of SWT or JFace because
> they only hold widgets used by the Eclipse-Platform.
>
> With the latest contributions we added to Nebula we already made this
> step reality (e.g. XViewer is a such a component, as well as the
> RadioGroup widget) I see nebula more as a central place where
> UI-Components get a place which are reusable outside the direct
> project-scope they are developed in. So we are one answer to the ever
> occurring "BLOAT" discussing when it comes to UI-Components.
>
> This new focus implies to things:
> a) instead of relying on the fact that once our widgets are mature we
> need to split nebula into 2 projects:
> - Nebula-mature
> - Nebula-incubation
> b) We make 1.0 releases of all widgets part of Nebula-mature
>
> But it gives us new possibilities:
> a) We have much more freedome when it comes to minor Java-Version we
> need to support => We allow Java 5 API
> b) We can define our own release train and time
>
> But it also implies new working areas:
> a) We need to work hard to get our widgets build => For most mature
> widgets this is already reality (See our new download page)
> b) We need to get out of people brains that our widgets are alpha/beta
> whereas the reality is that they are extremly stable
> c) We need better project management to coordinate the effort going into
> the widgets
>
> So what are the next things to happen is that:
> - Widgets who get part of Nebula-mature get built
> - Widgets who get part of Nebula-mature are IP clean
> => Nebula-mature will not have access to Parellel IP because it is not
> an incubation project
> - Widgets (Owners) part of Nebula-mature have to decide on releases
> dates (You can think of Nebula-mature-Release to something
> Galileo-Release for Eclipse but at our project level because all
> widgets are still quite independent though they are technically not
> Eclipse-Projects on their own)
>
> I hope this answers your question without answering the real question
> :-) so maybe I can summerize it:
>
> Yes you will see a stable release of Nebula-Grid in future (though I
> can't give you a final date) but it won't be part of SWT but part of the
> new Nebula-Mature project.
>
> Tom
>
> M. Luchian schrieb:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is there a plan to put the grid widget part of SWT API? In addition,
>> when would this widget become modified from ALPHA to BETA and from BETA
>> to a full release?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mircea
>>
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| Re: grid widget part of SWT [message #63025 is a reply to message #63024] |
Wed, 15 April 2009 21:24 |
Thomas Schindl
Messages: 6651
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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Hi,
I'd say the main API is stable and it hasn't changed since a long time.
We only added new API but didn't break any API contract since quite a
long time.
Tom
M. Luchian schrieb:
> Thank you Tom,
>
> It's good to know that there is a custom widget library that gets mature
> with time. Whether part of SWT or Nebula, it does not matter much for a
> software engineer using the API. I have been looking in implementing a
> grid similar to the one in nebula, however, seeing it exists in the
> Alpha stage, I will certainly use it in my product once the API is stable.
>
> Mircea
>
> What matters more is the
>
> Tom Schindl wrote:
>> *[Disclaimer: This is my current personal view and has not been
>> discussed with all Nebula committers but this will follow immediately
>> after I posted the answer to this thread]*
>>
>> Hi Mircea,
>>
>> The initial indent of Nebula in the past has been to provide a
>> playground to explore new ways for widget who might migrate to SWT once
>> the API is stable.
>>
>> In reality we had rethink this because none of our widget will ever get
>> part of the SWT release. Instead I think Nebula is going to provide a
>> place for reusable UI-Widgets who can't get part of SWT or JFace because
>> they only hold widgets used by the Eclipse-Platform.
>>
>> With the latest contributions we added to Nebula we already made this
>> step reality (e.g. XViewer is a such a component, as well as the
>> RadioGroup widget) I see nebula more as a central place where
>> UI-Components get a place which are reusable outside the direct
>> project-scope they are developed in. So we are one answer to the ever
>> occurring "BLOAT" discussing when it comes to UI-Components.
>>
>> This new focus implies to things:
>> a) instead of relying on the fact that once our widgets are mature we
>> need to split nebula into 2 projects:
>> - Nebula-mature
>> - Nebula-incubation
>> b) We make 1.0 releases of all widgets part of Nebula-mature
>>
>> But it gives us new possibilities:
>> a) We have much more freedome when it comes to minor Java-Version we
>> need to support => We allow Java 5 API
>> b) We can define our own release train and time
>>
>> But it also implies new working areas:
>> a) We need to work hard to get our widgets build => For most mature
>> widgets this is already reality (See our new download page)
>> b) We need to get out of people brains that our widgets are alpha/beta
>> whereas the reality is that they are extremly stable
>> c) We need better project management to coordinate the effort going into
>> the widgets
>>
>> So what are the next things to happen is that:
>> - Widgets who get part of Nebula-mature get built
>> - Widgets who get part of Nebula-mature are IP clean
>> => Nebula-mature will not have access to Parellel IP because it is not
>> an incubation project
>> - Widgets (Owners) part of Nebula-mature have to decide on releases
>> dates (You can think of Nebula-mature-Release to something
>> Galileo-Release for Eclipse but at our project level because all
>> widgets are still quite independent though they are technically not
>> Eclipse-Projects on their own)
>>
>> I hope this answers your question without answering the real question
>> :-) so maybe I can summerize it:
>>
>> Yes you will see a stable release of Nebula-Grid in future (though I
>> can't give you a final date) but it won't be part of SWT but part of the
>> new Nebula-Mature project.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> M. Luchian schrieb:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Is there a plan to put the grid widget part of SWT API? In addition,
>>> when would this widget become modified from ALPHA to BETA and from BETA
>>> to a full release?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mircea
>>>
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| Re: grid widget part of SWT [message #594446 is a reply to message #63022] |
Wed, 15 April 2009 19:53 |
Mircea Luchian
Messages: 89
Registered: July 2009 |
Member |
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Thank you Tom,
It's good to know that there is a custom widget library that gets mature
with time. Whether part of SWT or Nebula, it does not matter much for a
software engineer using the API. I have been looking in implementing a
grid similar to the one in nebula, however, seeing it exists in the
Alpha stage, I will certainly use it in my product once the API is stable.
Mircea
What matters more is the
Tom Schindl wrote:
> *[Disclaimer: This is my current personal view and has not been
> discussed with all Nebula committers but this will follow immediately
> after I posted the answer to this thread]*
>
> Hi Mircea,
>
> The initial indent of Nebula in the past has been to provide a
> playground to explore new ways for widget who might migrate to SWT once
> the API is stable.
>
> In reality we had rethink this because none of our widget will ever get
> part of the SWT release. Instead I think Nebula is going to provide a
> place for reusable UI-Widgets who can't get part of SWT or JFace because
> they only hold widgets used by the Eclipse-Platform.
>
> With the latest contributions we added to Nebula we already made this
> step reality (e.g. XViewer is a such a component, as well as the
> RadioGroup widget) I see nebula more as a central place where
> UI-Components get a place which are reusable outside the direct
> project-scope they are developed in. So we are one answer to the ever
> occurring "BLOAT" discussing when it comes to UI-Components.
>
> This new focus implies to things:
> a) instead of relying on the fact that once our widgets are mature we
> need to split nebula into 2 projects:
> - Nebula-mature
> - Nebula-incubation
> b) We make 1.0 releases of all widgets part of Nebula-mature
>
> But it gives us new possibilities:
> a) We have much more freedome when it comes to minor Java-Version we
> need to support => We allow Java 5 API
> b) We can define our own release train and time
>
> But it also implies new working areas:
> a) We need to work hard to get our widgets build => For most mature
> widgets this is already reality (See our new download page)
> b) We need to get out of people brains that our widgets are alpha/beta
> whereas the reality is that they are extremly stable
> c) We need better project management to coordinate the effort going into
> the widgets
>
> So what are the next things to happen is that:
> - Widgets who get part of Nebula-mature get built
> - Widgets who get part of Nebula-mature are IP clean
> => Nebula-mature will not have access to Parellel IP because it is not
> an incubation project
> - Widgets (Owners) part of Nebula-mature have to decide on releases
> dates (You can think of Nebula-mature-Release to something
> Galileo-Release for Eclipse but at our project level because all
> widgets are still quite independent though they are technically not
> Eclipse-Projects on their own)
>
> I hope this answers your question without answering the real question
> :-) so maybe I can summerize it:
>
> Yes you will see a stable release of Nebula-Grid in future (though I
> can't give you a final date) but it won't be part of SWT but part of the
> new Nebula-Mature project.
>
> Tom
>
> M. Luchian schrieb:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is there a plan to put the grid widget part of SWT API? In addition,
>> when would this widget become modified from ALPHA to BETA and from BETA
>> to a full release?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mircea
>>
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| Re: grid widget part of SWT [message #594453 is a reply to message #63024] |
Wed, 15 April 2009 21:24 |
Thomas Schindl
Messages: 6651
Registered: July 2009 |
Senior Member |
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Hi,
I'd say the main API is stable and it hasn't changed since a long time.
We only added new API but didn't break any API contract since quite a
long time.
Tom
M. Luchian schrieb:
> Thank you Tom,
>
> It's good to know that there is a custom widget library that gets mature
> with time. Whether part of SWT or Nebula, it does not matter much for a
> software engineer using the API. I have been looking in implementing a
> grid similar to the one in nebula, however, seeing it exists in the
> Alpha stage, I will certainly use it in my product once the API is stable.
>
> Mircea
>
> What matters more is the
>
> Tom Schindl wrote:
>> *[Disclaimer: This is my current personal view and has not been
>> discussed with all Nebula committers but this will follow immediately
>> after I posted the answer to this thread]*
>>
>> Hi Mircea,
>>
>> The initial indent of Nebula in the past has been to provide a
>> playground to explore new ways for widget who might migrate to SWT once
>> the API is stable.
>>
>> In reality we had rethink this because none of our widget will ever get
>> part of the SWT release. Instead I think Nebula is going to provide a
>> place for reusable UI-Widgets who can't get part of SWT or JFace because
>> they only hold widgets used by the Eclipse-Platform.
>>
>> With the latest contributions we added to Nebula we already made this
>> step reality (e.g. XViewer is a such a component, as well as the
>> RadioGroup widget) I see nebula more as a central place where
>> UI-Components get a place which are reusable outside the direct
>> project-scope they are developed in. So we are one answer to the ever
>> occurring "BLOAT" discussing when it comes to UI-Components.
>>
>> This new focus implies to things:
>> a) instead of relying on the fact that once our widgets are mature we
>> need to split nebula into 2 projects:
>> - Nebula-mature
>> - Nebula-incubation
>> b) We make 1.0 releases of all widgets part of Nebula-mature
>>
>> But it gives us new possibilities:
>> a) We have much more freedome when it comes to minor Java-Version we
>> need to support => We allow Java 5 API
>> b) We can define our own release train and time
>>
>> But it also implies new working areas:
>> a) We need to work hard to get our widgets build => For most mature
>> widgets this is already reality (See our new download page)
>> b) We need to get out of people brains that our widgets are alpha/beta
>> whereas the reality is that they are extremly stable
>> c) We need better project management to coordinate the effort going into
>> the widgets
>>
>> So what are the next things to happen is that:
>> - Widgets who get part of Nebula-mature get built
>> - Widgets who get part of Nebula-mature are IP clean
>> => Nebula-mature will not have access to Parellel IP because it is not
>> an incubation project
>> - Widgets (Owners) part of Nebula-mature have to decide on releases
>> dates (You can think of Nebula-mature-Release to something
>> Galileo-Release for Eclipse but at our project level because all
>> widgets are still quite independent though they are technically not
>> Eclipse-Projects on their own)
>>
>> I hope this answers your question without answering the real question
>> :-) so maybe I can summerize it:
>>
>> Yes you will see a stable release of Nebula-Grid in future (though I
>> can't give you a final date) but it won't be part of SWT but part of the
>> new Nebula-Mature project.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> M. Luchian schrieb:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Is there a plan to put the grid widget part of SWT API? In addition,
>>> when would this widget become modified from ALPHA to BETA and from BETA
>>> to a full release?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mircea
>>>
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