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Complete Project Development [message #477864] Thu, 23 October 2008 12:06 Go to next message
Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado is currently offline Gonzalo Aguilar DelgadoFriend
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Hi all!

I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.

But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.

Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the Eclipse
UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.

Thank you in advance.
Re: Complete Project Development [message #477870 is a reply to message #477864] Thu, 23 October 2008 15:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
james bruck is currently offline james bruckFriend
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Hi Gonzalo,

I'm not certain if your issue is with the UML2 project itself, which really
just defines the UML API, or with the UML2Tools project?
You may want to cross post this to the UML2Tools newsgroup.

There are many great tools built on top of the opensource UML2 API that may
be what you are looking for.
Keep in mind that UML2Tools project is just starting out and is also a free
tool.

The next version of RationalRose is IBM's RSA product. RSA far out performs
Rose in many ways. You may want to check that out.

Cheers,
- James.




"Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
news:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi all!
>
> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>
> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>
> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the Eclipse
> UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
Re: Complete Project Development [message #477873 is a reply to message #477870] Thu, 23 October 2008 16:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kenn Hussey is currently offline Kenn HusseyFriend
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Mind you, the UML2 Tools component is currently focused more on automatic
generation of the standard UML diagrams than a complete modeling environment
that one would expect from a commercial tool. Note that the new Papyrus
component (newsgroup copied) will provide something more along the lines of
an end-user consumable environment for editing UML (and related) models...

Kenn

"James Bruck" <jbruck@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:gdq45j$i8f$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi Gonzalo,
>
> I'm not certain if your issue is with the UML2 project itself, which
> really just defines the UML API, or with the UML2Tools project?
> You may want to cross post this to the UML2Tools newsgroup.
>
> There are many great tools built on top of the opensource UML2 API that
> may be what you are looking for.
> Keep in mind that UML2Tools project is just starting out and is also a
> free tool.
>
> The next version of RationalRose is IBM's RSA product. RSA far out
> performs Rose in many ways. You may want to check that out.
>
> Cheers,
> - James.
>
>
>
>
> "Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
> news:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
>> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>>
>> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>>
>> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the Eclipse
>> UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>
>
Re: Complete Project Development [message #477874 is a reply to message #477864] Thu, 23 October 2008 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gonzalo,

It might even be the case that you can use EMF's Ecore importer to
convert to Ecore:

http://help.eclipse.org/ganymede/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclips e.emf.doc/tutorials/clibmod/clibmod.html

You could export that to UML, or you could just use Ecore Tools'
graphical editor to edit Ecore directly just like a UML class diagram.
Ecore's not as powerful as UML, but is a lot simpler, and you can
generate code from it easily...


Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>
> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>
> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the Eclipse
> UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>

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Gonzalo,<br>
<br>
It might even be the case that you can use EMF's Ecore importer to
convert to Ecore:<br>
<blockquote><a
href=" http://help.eclipse.org/ganymede/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclips e.emf.doc/tutorials/clibmod/clibmod.html"> http://help.eclipse.org/ganymede/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclips e.emf.doc/tutorials/clibmod/clibmod.html</a><br>
</blockquote>
You could export that to UML, or you could just use Ecore Tools'
graphical editor to edit Ecore directly just like a UML class diagram. 
Ecore's not as powerful as UML, but is a lot simpler, and you can
generate code from it easily...<br>
<br>
<br>
Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Hi all!

I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.

But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.

Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the Eclipse
UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.

Thank you in advance.

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Re: Complete Project Development [message #477882 is a reply to message #477870] Fri, 24 October 2008 14:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado is currently offline Gonzalo Aguilar DelgadoFriend
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El Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:12:26 -0400, James Bruck escribió:

> Hi Gonzalo,
>
> I'm not certain if your issue is with the UML2 project itself, which
> really just defines the UML API, or with the UML2Tools project? You may
> want to cross post this to the UML2Tools newsgroup.
>
> There are many great tools built on top of the opensource UML2 API that
> may be what you are looking for.
> Keep in mind that UML2Tools project is just starting out and is also a
> free tool.
>
> The next version of RationalRose is IBM's RSA product. RSA far out
> performs Rose in many ways. You may want to check that out.
>
> Cheers,
> - James.
>
>
>
>
Hi all again.

Thank you for your answers...

With UML2 I'm talking about the current specification used in Eclipse of
UML. But the tools are able to support both UML 1 and 2.

It seems that currect Eclipse UML Tools are just this a kind of
framework. Then it's suppose someone will use this to build a kind of
RationalRose that will serve to manage projects...

This means that the project is in the early stage of development. And
that will not be usable for a long, long time. I suppose.

So maybe the question should be:

Is there any opensource (cause I want to hack) to do full development
managment? It would be nice to be on top of Eclipse and OSGi framework.

Thank you!

> "Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
> news:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
>> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>>
>> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>>
>> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the
>> Eclipse UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
Re: Complete Project Development [message #477883 is a reply to message #477874] Fri, 24 October 2008 14:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado is currently offline Gonzalo Aguilar DelgadoFriend
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Hi Ed,

Thank you, I used it to generate a UML graph and generate code. And it
works! But I want to have a more complete solution.

Best regards,

El Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:32:16 -0400, Ed Merks escribió:

> Gonzalo,
>
> It might even be the case that you can use EMF's Ecore importer to
> convert to Ecore:
>
> http://help.eclipse.org/ganymede/index.jsp?topic=/
org.eclipse.emf.doc/tutorials/clibmod/clibmod.html
>
> You could export that to UML, or you could just use Ecore Tools'
> graphical editor to edit Ecore directly just like a UML class diagram.
> Ecore's not as powerful as UML, but is a lot simpler, and you can
> generate code from it easily...
>
>
> Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado wrote:
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
>> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>>
>> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>>
>> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the
>> Eclipse UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html>
> <head>
> <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
> </head>
> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Gonzalo,<br>
> <br>
> It might even be the case that you can use EMF's Ecore importer to
> convert to Ecore:<br>
> <blockquote><a
> href="http://help.eclipse.org/ganymede/index.jsp?topic=/
org.eclipse.emf.doc/tutorials/clibmod/clibmod.html">http://
help.eclipse.org/ganymede/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclipse.emf.d oc/tutorials/
clibmod/clibmod.html</a><br>
> </blockquote>
> You could export that to UML, or you could just use Ecore Tools'
> graphical editor to edit Ecore directly just like a UML class diagram.
> Ecore's not as powerful as UML, but is a lot simpler, and you can
> generate code from it easily...<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado wrote:
> <blockquote cite="mid:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org" type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">Hi all!
>
> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>
> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>
> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the
> Eclipse UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> </body>
> </html>
Re: Complete Project Development [message #477884 is a reply to message #477873] Fri, 24 October 2008 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado is currently offline Gonzalo Aguilar DelgadoFriend
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Hi Kenn,

So do you mean that it's possible to do Papyrus to do all project
management and code generation?

I will take a look now.

Thank's!


El Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:31:09 -0400, Kenn Hussey escribió:

> Mind you, the UML2 Tools component is currently focused more on
> automatic generation of the standard UML diagrams than a complete
> modeling environment that one would expect from a commercial tool. Note
> that the new Papyrus component (newsgroup copied) will provide something
> more along the lines of an end-user consumable environment for editing
> UML (and related) models...
>
> Kenn
>
> "James Bruck" <jbruck@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
> news:gdq45j$i8f$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi Gonzalo,
>>
>> I'm not certain if your issue is with the UML2 project itself, which
>> really just defines the UML API, or with the UML2Tools project? You may
>> want to cross post this to the UML2Tools newsgroup.
>>
>> There are many great tools built on top of the opensource UML2 API that
>> may be what you are looking for.
>> Keep in mind that UML2Tools project is just starting out and is also a
>> free tool.
>>
>> The next version of RationalRose is IBM's RSA product. RSA far out
>> performs Rose in many ways. You may want to check that out.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - James.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
>> news:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org...
>>> Hi all!
>>>
>>> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
>>> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>>>
>>> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>>>
>>> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the
>>> Eclipse UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Complete Project Development [message #477885 is a reply to message #477884] Fri, 24 October 2008 15:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kenn Hussey is currently offline Kenn HusseyFriend
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The Papyrus component has yet to make its initial code contribution, but the
plan is to provide a complely integrated environment for editing UML models,
which should include things like reverse-engineering from Java. Sebastien,
the component lead, could perhaps provide more details...

Kenn

"Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
news:gdsl99$mgk$3@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi Kenn,
>
> So do you mean that it's possible to do Papyrus to do all project
> management and code generation?
>
> I will take a look now.
>
> Thank's!
>
>
> El Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:31:09 -0400, Kenn Hussey escribi
Re: Complete Project Development [message #477887 is a reply to message #477885] Fri, 24 October 2008 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado is currently offline Gonzalo Aguilar DelgadoFriend
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Great!

I tested it a little bit and looks promising...

Let's do a try

Thank you for the answer.


El Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:30:36 -0400, Kenn Hussey escribió:

> The Papyrus component has yet to make its initial code contribution, but
> the plan is to provide a complely integrated environment for editing UML
> models, which should include things like reverse-engineering from Java.
> Sebastien, the component lead, could perhaps provide more details...
>
> Kenn
>
> "Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
> news:gdsl99$mgk$3@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi Kenn,
>>
>> So do you mean that it's possible to do Papyrus to do all project
>> management and code generation?
>>
>> I will take a look now.
>>
>> Thank's!
>>
>>
>> El Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:31:09 -0400, Kenn Hussey escribió:
>>
>>> Mind you, the UML2 Tools component is currently focused more on
>>> automatic generation of the standard UML diagrams than a complete
>>> modeling environment that one would expect from a commercial tool.
>>> Note that the new Papyrus component (newsgroup copied) will provide
>>> something more along the lines of an end-user consumable environment
>>> for editing UML (and related) models...
>>>
>>> Kenn
>>>
>>> "James Bruck" <jbruck@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gdq45j$i8f$1@build.eclipse.org...
>>>> Hi Gonzalo,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not certain if your issue is with the UML2 project itself, which
>>>> really just defines the UML API, or with the UML2Tools project? You
>>>> may want to cross post this to the UML2Tools newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>> There are many great tools built on top of the opensource UML2 API
>>>> that may be what you are looking for.
>>>> Keep in mind that UML2Tools project is just starting out and is also
>>>> a free tool.
>>>>
>>>> The next version of RationalRose is IBM's RSA product. RSA far out
>>>> performs Rose in many ways. You may want to check that out.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> - James.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org...
>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
>>>>> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at
>>>>> all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the
>>>>> Eclipse UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
Re: Complete Project Development [message #477898 is a reply to message #477887] Tue, 28 October 2008 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sebastien Gerard is currently offline Sebastien GerardFriend
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Hi Gonzalo,

did you test the ongoing version of Papyrus available here:
www.papyrusuml.org ?

This second major release of Papyrus, I mean the new component of MDT, will
also provide additional features than the UML graphical modeling activity.
And these features will include among others a pluggin for java code
generator (and alos C and C++). You can already test these code generators
on the current version of Papyrus available on the previous mentioned web
adress.
In the context of the MDT::Papyurs component, we will provide an updated
version of this plugin. Finally, let's notice that the current Java code
generator of Papyrus provide facailities to synchronize the code and the
model together, and that this feature enables you to make reverse
engineering.

--S
Re: Complete Project Development [message #477899 is a reply to message #477887] Tue, 28 October 2008 21:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gonzalo,

did you test the ongoing version of Papyrus available here:
www.papyrusuml.org ?

This second major release of Papyrus, I mean the new component of MDT, will
also provide additional features than the UML graphical modeling activity.
And these features will include among others a pluggin for java code
generator (and alos C and C++). You can already test these code generators
on the current version of Papyrus available on the previous mentioned web
adress.
In the context of the MDT::Papyurs component, we will provide an updated
version of this plugin. Finally, let's notice that the current Java code
generator of Papyrus provide facailities to synchronize the code and the
model together, and that this feature enables you to make reverse
engineering.

--S
Re: Complete Project Development [message #477900 is a reply to message #477887] Wed, 29 October 2008 08:52 Go to previous message
Sebastien Gerard is currently offline Sebastien GerardFriend
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Hi Gonzalo,



did you test the ongoing version of Papyrus available here:
www.papyrusuml.org ?



This second major release of Papyrus, I mean the new component of MDT, will
also provide additional features than the UML graphical modeling activity.
And these features will include among others a pluggin for java code
generator (and alos C and C++). You can already test these code generators
on the current version of Papyrus available on the previous mentioned web
adress.

In the context of the MDT::Papyurs component, we will provide an updated
version of this plugin. Finally, let's notice that the current Java code
generator of Papyrus provide facailities to synchronize the code and the
model together, and that this feature enables you to make reverse
engineering.



--S
Re: Complete Project Development [message #627070 is a reply to message #477864] Thu, 23 October 2008 15:12 Go to previous message
james bruck is currently offline james bruckFriend
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Hi Gonzalo,

I'm not certain if your issue is with the UML2 project itself, which really
just defines the UML API, or with the UML2Tools project?
You may want to cross post this to the UML2Tools newsgroup.

There are many great tools built on top of the opensource UML2 API that may
be what you are looking for.
Keep in mind that UML2Tools project is just starting out and is also a free
tool.

The next version of RationalRose is IBM's RSA product. RSA far out performs
Rose in many ways. You may want to check that out.

Cheers,
- James.




"Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
news:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi all!
>
> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>
> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>
> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the Eclipse
> UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
Re: Complete Project Development [message #627073 is a reply to message #477870] Thu, 23 October 2008 16:31 Go to previous message
Kenn Hussey is currently offline Kenn HusseyFriend
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Mind you, the UML2 Tools component is currently focused more on automatic
generation of the standard UML diagrams than a complete modeling environment
that one would expect from a commercial tool. Note that the new Papyrus
component (newsgroup copied) will provide something more along the lines of
an end-user consumable environment for editing UML (and related) models...

Kenn

"James Bruck" <jbruck@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:gdq45j$i8f$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi Gonzalo,
>
> I'm not certain if your issue is with the UML2 project itself, which
> really just defines the UML API, or with the UML2Tools project?
> You may want to cross post this to the UML2Tools newsgroup.
>
> There are many great tools built on top of the opensource UML2 API that
> may be what you are looking for.
> Keep in mind that UML2Tools project is just starting out and is also a
> free tool.
>
> The next version of RationalRose is IBM's RSA product. RSA far out
> performs Rose in many ways. You may want to check that out.
>
> Cheers,
> - James.
>
>
>
>
> "Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
> news:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
>> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>>
>> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>>
>> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the Eclipse
>> UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>
>
Re: Complete Project Development [message #627074 is a reply to message #477864] Thu, 23 October 2008 16:32 Go to previous message
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Gonzalo,

It might even be the case that you can use EMF's Ecore importer to
convert to Ecore:

http://help.eclipse.org/ganymede/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclips e.emf.doc/tutorials/clibmod/clibmod.html

You could export that to UML, or you could just use Ecore Tools'
graphical editor to edit Ecore directly just like a UML class diagram.
Ecore's not as powerful as UML, but is a lot simpler, and you can
generate code from it easily...


Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>
> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>
> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the Eclipse
> UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>

--------------090004000506030304000100
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
Gonzalo,<br>
<br>
It might even be the case that you can use EMF's Ecore importer to
convert to Ecore:<br>
<blockquote><a
href=" http://help.eclipse.org/ganymede/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclips e.emf.doc/tutorials/clibmod/clibmod.html"> http://help.eclipse.org/ganymede/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclips e.emf.doc/tutorials/clibmod/clibmod.html</a><br>
</blockquote>
You could export that to UML, or you could just use Ecore Tools'
graphical editor to edit Ecore directly just like a UML class diagram. 
Ecore's not as powerful as UML, but is a lot simpler, and you can
generate code from it easily...<br>
<br>
<br>
Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Hi all!

I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.

But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.

Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the Eclipse
UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.

Thank you in advance.

</pre>
</blockquote>
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Re: Complete Project Development [message #627082 is a reply to message #477870] Fri, 24 October 2008 14:11 Go to previous message
Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado is currently offline Gonzalo Aguilar DelgadoFriend
Messages: 14
Registered: July 2009
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El Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:12:26 -0400, James Bruck escribió:

> Hi Gonzalo,
>
> I'm not certain if your issue is with the UML2 project itself, which
> really just defines the UML API, or with the UML2Tools project? You may
> want to cross post this to the UML2Tools newsgroup.
>
> There are many great tools built on top of the opensource UML2 API that
> may be what you are looking for.
> Keep in mind that UML2Tools project is just starting out and is also a
> free tool.
>
> The next version of RationalRose is IBM's RSA product. RSA far out
> performs Rose in many ways. You may want to check that out.
>
> Cheers,
> - James.
>
>
>
>
Hi all again.

Thank you for your answers...

With UML2 I'm talking about the current specification used in Eclipse of
UML. But the tools are able to support both UML 1 and 2.

It seems that currect Eclipse UML Tools are just this a kind of
framework. Then it's suppose someone will use this to build a kind of
RationalRose that will serve to manage projects...

This means that the project is in the early stage of development. And
that will not be usable for a long, long time. I suppose.

So maybe the question should be:

Is there any opensource (cause I want to hack) to do full development
managment? It would be nice to be on top of Eclipse and OSGi framework.

Thank you!

> "Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
> news:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
>> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>>
>> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>>
>> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the
>> Eclipse UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
Re: Complete Project Development [message #627083 is a reply to message #477874] Fri, 24 October 2008 14:12 Go to previous message
Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado is currently offline Gonzalo Aguilar DelgadoFriend
Messages: 14
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi Ed,

Thank you, I used it to generate a UML graph and generate code. And it
works! But I want to have a more complete solution.

Best regards,

El Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:32:16 -0400, Ed Merks escribió:

> Gonzalo,
>
> It might even be the case that you can use EMF's Ecore importer to
> convert to Ecore:
>
> http://help.eclipse.org/ganymede/index.jsp?topic=/
org.eclipse.emf.doc/tutorials/clibmod/clibmod.html
>
> You could export that to UML, or you could just use Ecore Tools'
> graphical editor to edit Ecore directly just like a UML class diagram.
> Ecore's not as powerful as UML, but is a lot simpler, and you can
> generate code from it easily...
>
>
> Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado wrote:
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
>> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>>
>> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>>
>> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the
>> Eclipse UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html>
> <head>
> <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
> </head>
> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Gonzalo,<br>
> <br>
> It might even be the case that you can use EMF's Ecore importer to
> convert to Ecore:<br>
> <blockquote><a
> href="http://help.eclipse.org/ganymede/index.jsp?topic=/
org.eclipse.emf.doc/tutorials/clibmod/clibmod.html">http://
help.eclipse.org/ganymede/index.jsp?topic=/org.eclipse.emf.d oc/tutorials/
clibmod/clibmod.html</a><br>
> </blockquote>
> You could export that to UML, or you could just use Ecore Tools'
> graphical editor to edit Ecore directly just like a UML class diagram.
> Ecore's not as powerful as UML, but is a lot simpler, and you can
> generate code from it easily...<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado wrote:
> <blockquote cite="mid:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org" type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">Hi all!
>
> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>
> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>
> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the
> Eclipse UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> </body>
> </html>
Re: Complete Project Development [message #627084 is a reply to message #477873] Fri, 24 October 2008 14:15 Go to previous message
Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado is currently offline Gonzalo Aguilar DelgadoFriend
Messages: 14
Registered: July 2009
Junior Member
Hi Kenn,

So do you mean that it's possible to do Papyrus to do all project
management and code generation?

I will take a look now.

Thank's!


El Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:31:09 -0400, Kenn Hussey escribió:

> Mind you, the UML2 Tools component is currently focused more on
> automatic generation of the standard UML diagrams than a complete
> modeling environment that one would expect from a commercial tool. Note
> that the new Papyrus component (newsgroup copied) will provide something
> more along the lines of an end-user consumable environment for editing
> UML (and related) models...
>
> Kenn
>
> "James Bruck" <jbruck@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
> news:gdq45j$i8f$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi Gonzalo,
>>
>> I'm not certain if your issue is with the UML2 project itself, which
>> really just defines the UML API, or with the UML2Tools project? You may
>> want to cross post this to the UML2Tools newsgroup.
>>
>> There are many great tools built on top of the opensource UML2 API that
>> may be what you are looking for.
>> Keep in mind that UML2Tools project is just starting out and is also a
>> free tool.
>>
>> The next version of RationalRose is IBM's RSA product. RSA far out
>> performs Rose in many ways. You may want to check that out.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - James.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
>> news:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org...
>>> Hi all!
>>>
>>> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
>>> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>>>
>>> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at all.
>>>
>>> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the
>>> Eclipse UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Complete Project Development [message #627095 is a reply to message #477884] Fri, 24 October 2008 15:30 Go to previous message
Kenn Hussey is currently offline Kenn HusseyFriend
Messages: 1620
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
The Papyrus component has yet to make its initial code contribution, but the
plan is to provide a complely integrated environment for editing UML models,
which should include things like reverse-engineering from Java. Sebastien,
the component lead, could perhaps provide more details...

Kenn

"Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
news:gdsl99$mgk$3@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi Kenn,
>
> So do you mean that it's possible to do Papyrus to do all project
> management and code generation?
>
> I will take a look now.
>
> Thank's!
>
>
> El Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:31:09 -0400, Kenn Hussey escribi
Re: Complete Project Development [message #627097 is a reply to message #477885] Fri, 24 October 2008 23:19 Go to previous message
Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado is currently offline Gonzalo Aguilar DelgadoFriend
Messages: 14
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Great!

I tested it a little bit and looks promising...

Let's do a try

Thank you for the answer.


El Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:30:36 -0400, Kenn Hussey escribió:

> The Papyrus component has yet to make its initial code contribution, but
> the plan is to provide a complely integrated environment for editing UML
> models, which should include things like reverse-engineering from Java.
> Sebastien, the component lead, could perhaps provide more details...
>
> Kenn
>
> "Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
> news:gdsl99$mgk$3@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi Kenn,
>>
>> So do you mean that it's possible to do Papyrus to do all project
>> management and code generation?
>>
>> I will take a look now.
>>
>> Thank's!
>>
>>
>> El Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:31:09 -0400, Kenn Hussey escribió:
>>
>>> Mind you, the UML2 Tools component is currently focused more on
>>> automatic generation of the standard UML diagrams than a complete
>>> modeling environment that one would expect from a commercial tool.
>>> Note that the new Papyrus component (newsgroup copied) will provide
>>> something more along the lines of an end-user consumable environment
>>> for editing UML (and related) models...
>>>
>>> Kenn
>>>
>>> "James Bruck" <jbruck@ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gdq45j$i8f$1@build.eclipse.org...
>>>> Hi Gonzalo,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not certain if your issue is with the UML2 project itself, which
>>>> really just defines the UML API, or with the UML2Tools project? You
>>>> may want to cross post this to the UML2Tools newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>> There are many great tools built on top of the opensource UML2 API
>>>> that may be what you are looking for.
>>>> Keep in mind that UML2Tools project is just starting out and is also
>>>> a free tool.
>>>>
>>>> The next version of RationalRose is IBM's RSA product. RSA far out
>>>> performs Rose in many ways. You may want to check that out.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> - James.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado" <gad@aguilardelgado.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:gdppbj$hq2$1@build.eclipse.org...
>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm really new to Eclipse EMF and UML2. I did some projects with
>>>>> documentation done with UML using Rational Rose some time ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Know I find current Eclipse UML2 implementation not usable at
>>>>> all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think it's possible to manage a REAL java project with the
>>>>> Eclipse UML2 tools? I mean do it from the begining to the end.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
Re: Complete Project Development [message #627107 is a reply to message #477887] Tue, 28 October 2008 21:23 Go to previous message
Sebastien Gerard is currently offline Sebastien GerardFriend
Messages: 121
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Gonzalo,

did you test the ongoing version of Papyrus available here:
www.papyrusuml.org ?

This second major release of Papyrus, I mean the new component of MDT, will
also provide additional features than the UML graphical modeling activity.
And these features will include among others a pluggin for java code
generator (and alos C and C++). You can already test these code generators
on the current version of Papyrus available on the previous mentioned web
adress.
In the context of the MDT::Papyurs component, we will provide an updated
version of this plugin. Finally, let's notice that the current Java code
generator of Papyrus provide facailities to synchronize the code and the
model together, and that this feature enables you to make reverse
engineering.

--S
Re: Complete Project Development [message #627108 is a reply to message #477887] Tue, 28 October 2008 21:24 Go to previous message
Sebastien Gerard is currently offline Sebastien GerardFriend
Messages: 121
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Gonzalo,

did you test the ongoing version of Papyrus available here:
www.papyrusuml.org ?

This second major release of Papyrus, I mean the new component of MDT, will
also provide additional features than the UML graphical modeling activity.
And these features will include among others a pluggin for java code
generator (and alos C and C++). You can already test these code generators
on the current version of Papyrus available on the previous mentioned web
adress.
In the context of the MDT::Papyurs component, we will provide an updated
version of this plugin. Finally, let's notice that the current Java code
generator of Papyrus provide facailities to synchronize the code and the
model together, and that this feature enables you to make reverse
engineering.

--S
Re: Complete Project Development [message #627109 is a reply to message #477887] Wed, 29 October 2008 08:52 Go to previous message
Sebastien Gerard is currently offline Sebastien GerardFriend
Messages: 121
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Gonzalo,



did you test the ongoing version of Papyrus available here:
www.papyrusuml.org ?



This second major release of Papyrus, I mean the new component of MDT, will
also provide additional features than the UML graphical modeling activity.
And these features will include among others a pluggin for java code
generator (and alos C and C++). You can already test these code generators
on the current version of Papyrus available on the previous mentioned web
adress.

In the context of the MDT::Papyurs component, we will provide an updated
version of this plugin. Finally, let's notice that the current Java code
generator of Papyrus provide facailities to synchronize the code and the
model together, and that this feature enables you to make reverse
engineering.



--S
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