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UML 2.2 [message #476433] Fri, 26 October 2007 14:14 Go to next message
Andrew Carton is currently offline Andrew CartonFriend
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Hi,

Does the 2.2M2 Stable Build on the website mean that work is being done
to update to the UML 2.2 standard. Would you know when its officially
coming out and if there is a draft out yet?

Thanks,
Andrew.
Re: UML 2.2 [message #476434 is a reply to message #476433] Fri, 26 October 2007 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
james bruck is currently offline james bruckFriend
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Hi Andrew,

The version number of the UML2 API ( ie UML2 2.2) is not intended to align
with the versioning of the UML specification as defined by OMG. Any
seeming aligment is coincidental. UML2 M2 is based on UML 2.1.0 (with two
minor deviations).

The next major version of UML 2.2 would involve metamodel changes thereby
requiring the us to increment the major version number of the API to UML2
3.0 and change the nsURI (at least that's what I would predict).

It is currently unclear when UML 2.2 is expected to come out but the OMG
chair (Bran Selic) informs me that it should probably be finalized by summer
2008 although draft versions should exist before that. There are no
immediate plans to adopt UML 2.2 (since it is not finalized) although we are
keeping track of proposed changes to the spec. I don't believe there is a
draft out yet.

As a side note, UML 2.1.2 is out but does not involve metamodel changes so
there should be no major impact to those dependent on the opensource API.

Out of curiosity, is there a new feature or fix to the spec that you are
waiting for?
..
Cheers,

- James.


"Andrew Carton" <cartona@cs.tcd.ie> wrote in message
news:ffssnh$h8o$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
>
> Does the 2.2M2 Stable Build on the website mean that work is being done to
> update to the UML 2.2 standard. Would you know when its officially coming
> out and if there is a draft out yet?
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew.
Re: UML 2.2 [message #476435 is a reply to message #476434] Fri, 26 October 2007 16:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Andrew Carton is currently offline Andrew CartonFriend
Messages: 104
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hey James,

Thanks for the info! I was trying to look on the OMG RTF website to have
a peek at the new changes but apparently only OMG members can access it.
You probably remember me from annoying you about the sequence diagrams.
They looked like they needed a bit of an overhaul and was just wondering
if they are going to be addressing these issues in the next release or
putting it on the long finger again.

Cheers,
Andrew.

Ar 26/10/2007 16:55, Scríobh James Bruck:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> The version number of the UML2 API ( ie UML2 2.2) is not intended to align
> with the versioning of the UML specification as defined by OMG. Any
> seeming aligment is coincidental. UML2 M2 is based on UML 2.1.0 (with two
> minor deviations).
>
> The next major version of UML 2.2 would involve metamodel changes thereby
> requiring the us to increment the major version number of the API to UML2
> 3.0 and change the nsURI (at least that's what I would predict).
>
> It is currently unclear when UML 2.2 is expected to come out but the OMG
> chair (Bran Selic) informs me that it should probably be finalized by summer
> 2008 although draft versions should exist before that. There are no
> immediate plans to adopt UML 2.2 (since it is not finalized) although we are
> keeping track of proposed changes to the spec. I don't believe there is a
> draft out yet.
>
> As a side note, UML 2.1.2 is out but does not involve metamodel changes so
> there should be no major impact to those dependent on the opensource API.
>
> Out of curiosity, is there a new feature or fix to the spec that you are
> waiting for?
> ..
> Cheers,
>
> - James.
>
>
> "Andrew Carton" <cartona@cs.tcd.ie> wrote in message
> news:ffssnh$h8o$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does the 2.2M2 Stable Build on the website mean that work is being done to
>> update to the UML 2.2 standard. Would you know when its officially coming
>> out and if there is a draft out yet?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Andrew.
>
>
Re: UML 2.2 [message #476437 is a reply to message #476435] Fri, 26 October 2007 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
james bruck is currently offline james bruckFriend
Messages: 1724
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Andrew,

If I'm not mistaken anybody can can request to be placed on the rtf mailing
list. I think you need to make a request first though... the details are
should be listed on the OMG website.
You could even raise issues and propose fixes for those areas that you are
interested in - don't be shy.
I agree with you that sequence diagrams have a few "holes" but so far I have
not seen many enhancements in that area.

Cheers,
- James.


"Andrew Carton" <cartona@cs.tcd.ie> wrote in message
news:fft493$qp1$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hey James,
>
> Thanks for the info! I was trying to look on the OMG RTF website to have a
> peek at the new changes but apparently only OMG members can access it. You
> probably remember me from annoying you about the sequence diagrams. They
> looked like they needed a bit of an overhaul and was just wondering if
> they are going to be addressing these issues in the next release or
> putting it on the long finger again.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew.
>
> Ar 26/10/2007 16:55, Scr
Re: UML 2.2 [message #476442 is a reply to message #476434] Wed, 31 October 2007 08:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Krzysztof Kaczmarski is currently offline Krzysztof KaczmarskiFriend
Messages: 88
Registered: July 2009
Member
James Bruck wrote:

> Out of curiosity, is there a new feature or fix to the spec that you are
> waiting for?

Not asked personally, forgive me.

AddStructuralFeatureValueAction and AddVariableValueAction are quite
similar and perform similar actions but they have no common superclass
that could utilize this similarity.
My code generating these two actions in case of assignments
(they are on the left side) is very ugly now because of that.

Is there any chance that it will be improved in future?


Cheers,
Krzysztof
Re: UML 2.2 [message #476444 is a reply to message #476442] Wed, 31 October 2007 15:10 Go to previous message
Rafael Chaves is currently offline Rafael ChavesFriend
Messages: 362
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Krzyztof,

They may be similar from your own language's point of view, but they are
quite different from a UML semantics point of view. While
AddVariableValueAction applies to a variable and only requires the new
value, AddStructuralFeatureValueAction applies to a structural feature,
and requires a target object in addition to the new value.

That is only my opinion, I am not affiliated with OMG.

Rafael

Krzysztof Kaczmarski wrote:
> James Bruck wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity, is there a new feature or fix to the spec that you
>> are waiting for?
>
> Not asked personally, forgive me.
>
> AddStructuralFeatureValueAction and AddVariableValueAction are quite
> similar and perform similar actions but they have no common superclass
> that could utilize this similarity.
> My code generating these two actions in case of assignments
> (they are on the left side) is very ugly now because of that.
>
> Is there any chance that it will be improved in future?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Krzysztof
Re: UML 2.2 [message #625337 is a reply to message #476433] Fri, 26 October 2007 15:55 Go to previous message
james bruck is currently offline james bruckFriend
Messages: 1724
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Andrew,

The version number of the UML2 API ( ie UML2 2.2) is not intended to align
with the versioning of the UML specification as defined by OMG. Any
seeming aligment is coincidental. UML2 M2 is based on UML 2.1.0 (with two
minor deviations).

The next major version of UML 2.2 would involve metamodel changes thereby
requiring the us to increment the major version number of the API to UML2
3.0 and change the nsURI (at least that's what I would predict).

It is currently unclear when UML 2.2 is expected to come out but the OMG
chair (Bran Selic) informs me that it should probably be finalized by summer
2008 although draft versions should exist before that. There are no
immediate plans to adopt UML 2.2 (since it is not finalized) although we are
keeping track of proposed changes to the spec. I don't believe there is a
draft out yet.

As a side note, UML 2.1.2 is out but does not involve metamodel changes so
there should be no major impact to those dependent on the opensource API.

Out of curiosity, is there a new feature or fix to the spec that you are
waiting for?
..
Cheers,

- James.


"Andrew Carton" <cartona@cs.tcd.ie> wrote in message
news:ffssnh$h8o$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
>
> Does the 2.2M2 Stable Build on the website mean that work is being done to
> update to the UML 2.2 standard. Would you know when its officially coming
> out and if there is a draft out yet?
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew.
Re: UML 2.2 [message #625338 is a reply to message #476434] Fri, 26 October 2007 16:23 Go to previous message
Andrew Carton is currently offline Andrew CartonFriend
Messages: 104
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hey James,

Thanks for the info! I was trying to look on the OMG RTF website to have
a peek at the new changes but apparently only OMG members can access it.
You probably remember me from annoying you about the sequence diagrams.
They looked like they needed a bit of an overhaul and was just wondering
if they are going to be addressing these issues in the next release or
putting it on the long finger again.

Cheers,
Andrew.

Ar 26/10/2007 16:55, Scríobh James Bruck:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> The version number of the UML2 API ( ie UML2 2.2) is not intended to align
> with the versioning of the UML specification as defined by OMG. Any
> seeming aligment is coincidental. UML2 M2 is based on UML 2.1.0 (with two
> minor deviations).
>
> The next major version of UML 2.2 would involve metamodel changes thereby
> requiring the us to increment the major version number of the API to UML2
> 3.0 and change the nsURI (at least that's what I would predict).
>
> It is currently unclear when UML 2.2 is expected to come out but the OMG
> chair (Bran Selic) informs me that it should probably be finalized by summer
> 2008 although draft versions should exist before that. There are no
> immediate plans to adopt UML 2.2 (since it is not finalized) although we are
> keeping track of proposed changes to the spec. I don't believe there is a
> draft out yet.
>
> As a side note, UML 2.1.2 is out but does not involve metamodel changes so
> there should be no major impact to those dependent on the opensource API.
>
> Out of curiosity, is there a new feature or fix to the spec that you are
> waiting for?
> ..
> Cheers,
>
> - James.
>
>
> "Andrew Carton" <cartona@cs.tcd.ie> wrote in message
> news:ffssnh$h8o$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does the 2.2M2 Stable Build on the website mean that work is being done to
>> update to the UML 2.2 standard. Would you know when its officially coming
>> out and if there is a draft out yet?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Andrew.
>
>
Re: UML 2.2 [message #625340 is a reply to message #476435] Fri, 26 October 2007 17:15 Go to previous message
james bruck is currently offline james bruckFriend
Messages: 1724
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Andrew,

If I'm not mistaken anybody can can request to be placed on the rtf mailing
list. I think you need to make a request first though... the details are
should be listed on the OMG website.
You could even raise issues and propose fixes for those areas that you are
interested in - don't be shy.
I agree with you that sequence diagrams have a few "holes" but so far I have
not seen many enhancements in that area.

Cheers,
- James.


"Andrew Carton" <cartona@cs.tcd.ie> wrote in message
news:fft493$qp1$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hey James,
>
> Thanks for the info! I was trying to look on the OMG RTF website to have a
> peek at the new changes but apparently only OMG members can access it. You
> probably remember me from annoying you about the sequence diagrams. They
> looked like they needed a bit of an overhaul and was just wondering if
> they are going to be addressing these issues in the next release or
> putting it on the long finger again.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew.
>
> Ar 26/10/2007 16:55, Scr
Re: UML 2.2 [message #625345 is a reply to message #476434] Wed, 31 October 2007 08:26 Go to previous message
Krzysztof Kaczmarski is currently offline Krzysztof KaczmarskiFriend
Messages: 88
Registered: July 2009
Member
James Bruck wrote:

> Out of curiosity, is there a new feature or fix to the spec that you are
> waiting for?

Not asked personally, forgive me.

AddStructuralFeatureValueAction and AddVariableValueAction are quite
similar and perform similar actions but they have no common superclass
that could utilize this similarity.
My code generating these two actions in case of assignments
(they are on the left side) is very ugly now because of that.

Is there any chance that it will be improved in future?


Cheers,
Krzysztof
Re: UML 2.2 [message #625347 is a reply to message #476442] Wed, 31 October 2007 15:10 Go to previous message
Rafael Chaves is currently offline Rafael ChavesFriend
Messages: 362
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Krzyztof,

They may be similar from your own language's point of view, but they are
quite different from a UML semantics point of view. While
AddVariableValueAction applies to a variable and only requires the new
value, AddStructuralFeatureValueAction applies to a structural feature,
and requires a target object in addition to the new value.

That is only my opinion, I am not affiliated with OMG.

Rafael

Krzysztof Kaczmarski wrote:
> James Bruck wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity, is there a new feature or fix to the spec that you
>> are waiting for?
>
> Not asked personally, forgive me.
>
> AddStructuralFeatureValueAction and AddVariableValueAction are quite
> similar and perform similar actions but they have no common superclass
> that could utilize this similarity.
> My code generating these two actions in case of assignments
> (they are on the left side) is very ugly now because of that.
>
> Is there any chance that it will be improved in future?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Krzysztof
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