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Migrating from Rationale Rose 2000 Enterprise to UML2Tools [message #471208] Mon, 02 July 2007 09:29 Go to next message
Philippe is currently offline PhilippeFriend
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Hi,

I would like to migrate huge models from Rose 2000 to UML2Tools,

the difficulty is that I have to keep as much as visual information as
possible (layout, comments, shortcuts)
The version of Rose that I have do not permit to export to XMI and I
didn't manage to find an addin for it.
So I have the mdl file and would like to end up with an uml one usable
with UML2Tools.

does anyone had the same issue or could provide a solution

Thanks
Philippe
Re: Migrating from Rationale Rose 2000 Enterprise to UML2Tools [message #471211 is a reply to message #471208] Mon, 02 July 2007 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Carlson is currently offline Dave CarlsonFriend
Messages: 402
Registered: July 2009
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Philippe,
I've done almost what you are asking, for very large Rose models created by
the Veteran's Adminstration for heathcare domain modeling. The only robust
solution I am aware of is to use IBM's RSM product to import a Rose model.
This will migrate all model content very well to UML2 models that can be
used inside or outside of RSM. The diagrams are migrated with all layout
(not sure about shortcuts). But these diagrams *cannot* be used with
UML2Tools. The diagrams in RSM and UML2Tools are very similar... but
different.

I am looking into creating a tool that exports RSM class diagrams into
UML2Tools compatible format. Does not look very difficult, but maybe IBM
will also provide such an option in the next release of RSM???

Dave Carlson

"Philippe" <philippeweber57@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:f6agnc$bu6$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
>
> I would like to migrate huge models from Rose 2000 to UML2Tools,
>
> the difficulty is that I have to keep as much as visual information as
> possible (layout, comments, shortcuts)
> The version of Rose that I have do not permit to export to XMI and I
> didn't manage to find an addin for it.
> So I have the mdl file and would like to end up with an uml one usable
> with UML2Tools.
>
> does anyone had the same issue or could provide a solution
>
> Thanks
> Philippe
Re: Migrating from Rationale Rose 2000 Enterprise to UML2Tools [message #471213 is a reply to message #471211] Tue, 03 July 2007 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: user.domain.invalid

Dave Carlson wrote:
> Philippe,
> I've done almost what you are asking, for very large Rose models created by
> the Veteran's Adminstration for heathcare domain modeling. The only robust
> solution I am aware of is to use IBM's RSM product to import a Rose model.
> This will migrate all model content very well to UML2 models that can be
> used inside or outside of RSM. The diagrams are migrated with all layout
> (not sure about shortcuts). But these diagrams *cannot* be used with
> UML2Tools. The diagrams in RSM and UML2Tools are very similar... but
> different.
>
> I am looking into creating a tool that exports RSM class diagrams into
> UML2Tools compatible format. Does not look very difficult, but maybe IBM
> will also provide such an option in the next release of RSM???
>

I too am working in the healthcare space (UK NHS) & am looking at
mapping requirements & other artifacts which come in as UML/XMI (mostly
from rational modeler 6) into HL7 MIF etc via the wonders of EMF etc.

My first job in the chain is to use the EMFT compare tool to allow ppl
here to view what's changed in the incoming requirements & then make
sure they're in our models. So far so good.

But then a 2ndary requirement is for people to be able to view these
models as class diagrams etc rather than simple the UML Model tree & at
that point....

So this tool you mention which could take .emx files....via uml2 > uml &
then show them using the UML2 tools.....would be of great interest.

It would be nice to think that IBM could do this....but given the way
that vendors have purposely avoided XMI-DI etc. I have to wonder...

Adam


> Dave Carlson
>
> "Philippe" <philippeweber57@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:f6agnc$bu6$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to migrate huge models from Rose 2000 to UML2Tools,
>>
>> the difficulty is that I have to keep as much as visual information as
>> possible (layout, comments, shortcuts)
>> The version of Rose that I have do not permit to export to XMI and I
>> didn't manage to find an addin for it.
>> So I have the mdl file and would like to end up with an uml one usable
>> with UML2Tools.
>>
>> does anyone had the same issue or could provide a solution
>>
>> Thanks
>> Philippe
>
>
Re: Migrating from Rationale Rose 2000 Enterprise to UML2Tools [message #471218 is a reply to message #471213] Tue, 03 July 2007 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Carlson is currently offline Dave CarlsonFriend
Messages: 402
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Adam,
I wondered if you were the Adam whose name I see on the HL7 tooling list...
I have implemented the reverse mapping, from MIF to UML2. See the paper I
wrote about the prototype and demo'ed at the HL7 January meeting:
http://www.xmlmodeling.com/papers/ImportingMIFtoUML. This also shows my
"dynagrams", which are UML class diagrams created interactively in SVG, from
UML models. At this very moment I am working on integrating all of this
with the UML2Tools class diagram editor.

My comment to the original post was that IBM's RSM/A will preserve and
migrate Rose class diagrams into RSM format. This is very helpful for
those who already have Rose models. From there, it should be relaitvely
easy to migrate those RSM/A diagrams to UML2Tools. I think what you are
suggesting below is to create UML class diagrams directly from the UML model
(from XMI), in which case you have model information, but no diagrams. That
is what hyperModel "dynagrams" do, create diagrams directly from the UML
model. I see this as complementary to the UML2Tools editors. Indeed, my
dynagram support can be installed seamlessly into RSM/A 7.0...

This is getting off-topic for this list. If you are interested in more
detail, contact my privately. My email address is on the paper referenced
above.

Regards,
Dave Carlson

>
> I too am working in the healthcare space (UK NHS) & am looking at mapping
> requirements & other artifacts which come in as UML/XMI (mostly from
> rational modeler 6) into HL7 MIF etc via the wonders of EMF etc.
>
> My first job in the chain is to use the EMFT compare tool to allow ppl
> here to view what's changed in the incoming requirements & then make sure
> they're in our models. So far so good.
>
> But then a 2ndary requirement is for people to be able to view these
> models as class diagrams etc rather than simple the UML Model tree & at
> that point....
>
> So this tool you mention which could take .emx files....via uml2 > uml &
> then show them using the UML2 tools.....would be of great interest.
>
> It would be nice to think that IBM could do this....but given the way that
> vendors have purposely avoided XMI-DI etc. I have to wonder...
Re: Migrating from Rationale Rose 2000 Enterprise to UML2Tools [message #471224 is a reply to message #471218] Wed, 04 July 2007 21:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: user.domain.invalid

Dave Carlson wrote:
> Hi Adam,
> I wondered if you were the Adam whose name I see on the HL7 tooling list...

I am...

If you look in the OHF project I'm also the person who's done the
MIF2SVG xslt transform.

> I have implemented the reverse mapping, from MIF to UML2.
> See the paper I
> wrote about the prototype and demo'ed at the HL7 January meeting:
> http://www.xmlmodeling.com/papers/ImportingMIFtoUML. This also shows my
> "dynagrams", which are UML class diagrams created interactively in SVG, from
> UML models.

I read that doc...thought your name looked familiar...<G>...Say hullo to
Ioana from me.

> At this very moment I am working on integrating all of this
> with the UML2Tools class diagram editor.
>

Excellent as I'm looking at linking UML requirements models to HL7 MIF
models. Looks like we're coming at this from different ends but where
both ends need doing. It's partly why I've been pushing Grahame to do
his OHF MIF model in EMF...especially now he's saying that OCL is sort
of OK.


> My comment to the original post was that IBM's RSM/A will preserve and
> migrate Rose class diagrams into RSM format. This is very helpful for
> those who already have Rose models. From there, it should be relaitvely
> easy to migrate those RSM/A diagrams to UML2Tools. I think what you are
> suggesting below is to create UML class diagrams directly from the UML model
> (from XMI), in which case you have model information, but no diagrams. That
> is what hyperModel "dynagrams" do, create diagrams directly from the UML
> model. I see this as complementary to the UML2Tools editors. Indeed, my
> dynagram support can be installed seamlessly into RSM/A 7.0...
>
> This is getting off-topic for this list. If you are interested in more
> detail, contact my privately. My email address is on the paper referenced
> above.
>

OK will do.

Adam

> Regards,
> Dave Carlson
>
>> I too am working in the healthcare space (UK NHS) & am looking at mapping
>> requirements & other artifacts which come in as UML/XMI (mostly from
>> rational modeler 6) into HL7 MIF etc via the wonders of EMF etc.
>>
>> My first job in the chain is to use the EMFT compare tool to allow ppl
>> here to view what's changed in the incoming requirements & then make sure
>> they're in our models. So far so good.
>>
>> But then a 2ndary requirement is for people to be able to view these
>> models as class diagrams etc rather than simple the UML Model tree & at
>> that point....
>>
>> So this tool you mention which could take .emx files....via uml2 > uml &
>> then show them using the UML2 tools.....would be of great interest.
>>
>> It would be nice to think that IBM could do this....but given the way that
>> vendors have purposely avoided XMI-DI etc. I have to wonder...
>
>
Re: Migrating from Rationale Rose 2000 Enterprise to UML2Tools [message #471236 is a reply to message #471224] Thu, 05 July 2007 18:14 Go to previous message
Dave Carlson is currently offline Dave CarlsonFriend
Messages: 402
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Adam,
I also discussed this with Grahame back in January. I created an EMF model
from MIF 1.0 and used that to support transforming MIF to UML. As long as
the OHF MIF model is not in EMF, I won't use it...

Dave

> Excellent as I'm looking at linking UML requirements models to HL7 MIF
> models. Looks like we're coming at this from different ends but where both
> ends need doing. It's partly why I've been pushing Grahame to do his OHF
> MIF model in EMF...especially now he's saying that OCL is sort of OK.
>
Re: Migrating from Rationale Rose 2000 Enterprise to UML2Tools [message #602086 is a reply to message #471208] Mon, 02 July 2007 17:04 Go to previous message
Dave Carlson is currently offline Dave CarlsonFriend
Messages: 402
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Philippe,
I've done almost what you are asking, for very large Rose models created by
the Veteran's Adminstration for heathcare domain modeling. The only robust
solution I am aware of is to use IBM's RSM product to import a Rose model.
This will migrate all model content very well to UML2 models that can be
used inside or outside of RSM. The diagrams are migrated with all layout
(not sure about shortcuts). But these diagrams *cannot* be used with
UML2Tools. The diagrams in RSM and UML2Tools are very similar... but
different.

I am looking into creating a tool that exports RSM class diagrams into
UML2Tools compatible format. Does not look very difficult, but maybe IBM
will also provide such an option in the next release of RSM???

Dave Carlson

"Philippe" <philippeweber57@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:f6agnc$bu6$1@build.eclipse.org...
> Hi,
>
> I would like to migrate huge models from Rose 2000 to UML2Tools,
>
> the difficulty is that I have to keep as much as visual information as
> possible (layout, comments, shortcuts)
> The version of Rose that I have do not permit to export to XMI and I
> didn't manage to find an addin for it.
> So I have the mdl file and would like to end up with an uml one usable
> with UML2Tools.
>
> does anyone had the same issue or could provide a solution
>
> Thanks
> Philippe
Re: Migrating from Rationale Rose 2000 Enterprise to UML2Tools [message #602101 is a reply to message #471211] Tue, 03 July 2007 10:49 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: user.domain.invalid

Dave Carlson wrote:
> Philippe,
> I've done almost what you are asking, for very large Rose models created by
> the Veteran's Adminstration for heathcare domain modeling. The only robust
> solution I am aware of is to use IBM's RSM product to import a Rose model.
> This will migrate all model content very well to UML2 models that can be
> used inside or outside of RSM. The diagrams are migrated with all layout
> (not sure about shortcuts). But these diagrams *cannot* be used with
> UML2Tools. The diagrams in RSM and UML2Tools are very similar... but
> different.
>
> I am looking into creating a tool that exports RSM class diagrams into
> UML2Tools compatible format. Does not look very difficult, but maybe IBM
> will also provide such an option in the next release of RSM???
>

I too am working in the healthcare space (UK NHS) & am looking at
mapping requirements & other artifacts which come in as UML/XMI (mostly
from rational modeler 6) into HL7 MIF etc via the wonders of EMF etc.

My first job in the chain is to use the EMFT compare tool to allow ppl
here to view what's changed in the incoming requirements & then make
sure they're in our models. So far so good.

But then a 2ndary requirement is for people to be able to view these
models as class diagrams etc rather than simple the UML Model tree & at
that point....

So this tool you mention which could take .emx files....via uml2 > uml &
then show them using the UML2 tools.....would be of great interest.

It would be nice to think that IBM could do this....but given the way
that vendors have purposely avoided XMI-DI etc. I have to wonder...

Adam


> Dave Carlson
>
> "Philippe" <philippeweber57@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:f6agnc$bu6$1@build.eclipse.org...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to migrate huge models from Rose 2000 to UML2Tools,
>>
>> the difficulty is that I have to keep as much as visual information as
>> possible (layout, comments, shortcuts)
>> The version of Rose that I have do not permit to export to XMI and I
>> didn't manage to find an addin for it.
>> So I have the mdl file and would like to end up with an uml one usable
>> with UML2Tools.
>>
>> does anyone had the same issue or could provide a solution
>>
>> Thanks
>> Philippe
>
>
Re: Migrating from Rationale Rose 2000 Enterprise to UML2Tools [message #602126 is a reply to message #471213] Tue, 03 July 2007 18:26 Go to previous message
Dave Carlson is currently offline Dave CarlsonFriend
Messages: 402
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Hi Adam,
I wondered if you were the Adam whose name I see on the HL7 tooling list...
I have implemented the reverse mapping, from MIF to UML2. See the paper I
wrote about the prototype and demo'ed at the HL7 January meeting:
http://www.xmlmodeling.com/papers/ImportingMIFtoUML This also shows my
"dynagrams", which are UML class diagrams created interactively in SVG, from
UML models. At this very moment I am working on integrating all of this
with the UML2Tools class diagram editor.

My comment to the original post was that IBM's RSM/A will preserve and
migrate Rose class diagrams into RSM format. This is very helpful for
those who already have Rose models. From there, it should be relaitvely
easy to migrate those RSM/A diagrams to UML2Tools. I think what you are
suggesting below is to create UML class diagrams directly from the UML model
(from XMI), in which case you have model information, but no diagrams. That
is what hyperModel "dynagrams" do, create diagrams directly from the UML
model. I see this as complementary to the UML2Tools editors. Indeed, my
dynagram support can be installed seamlessly into RSM/A 7.0...

This is getting off-topic for this list. If you are interested in more
detail, contact my privately. My email address is on the paper referenced
above.

Regards,
Dave Carlson

>
> I too am working in the healthcare space (UK NHS) & am looking at mapping
> requirements & other artifacts which come in as UML/XMI (mostly from
> rational modeler 6) into HL7 MIF etc via the wonders of EMF etc.
>
> My first job in the chain is to use the EMFT compare tool to allow ppl
> here to view what's changed in the incoming requirements & then make sure
> they're in our models. So far so good.
>
> But then a 2ndary requirement is for people to be able to view these
> models as class diagrams etc rather than simple the UML Model tree & at
> that point....
>
> So this tool you mention which could take .emx files....via uml2 > uml &
> then show them using the UML2 tools.....would be of great interest.
>
> It would be nice to think that IBM could do this....but given the way that
> vendors have purposely avoided XMI-DI etc. I have to wonder...
Re: Migrating from Rationale Rose 2000 Enterprise to UML2Tools [message #602176 is a reply to message #471218] Wed, 04 July 2007 21:21 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: user.domain.invalid

Dave Carlson wrote:
> Hi Adam,
> I wondered if you were the Adam whose name I see on the HL7 tooling list...

I am...

If you look in the OHF project I'm also the person who's done the
MIF2SVG xslt transform.

> I have implemented the reverse mapping, from MIF to UML2.
> See the paper I
> wrote about the prototype and demo'ed at the HL7 January meeting:
> http://www.xmlmodeling.com/papers/ImportingMIFtoUML This also shows my
> "dynagrams", which are UML class diagrams created interactively in SVG, from
> UML models.

I read that doc...thought your name looked familiar...<G>...Say hullo to
Ioana from me.

> At this very moment I am working on integrating all of this
> with the UML2Tools class diagram editor.
>

Excellent as I'm looking at linking UML requirements models to HL7 MIF
models. Looks like we're coming at this from different ends but where
both ends need doing. It's partly why I've been pushing Grahame to do
his OHF MIF model in EMF...especially now he's saying that OCL is sort
of OK.


> My comment to the original post was that IBM's RSM/A will preserve and
> migrate Rose class diagrams into RSM format. This is very helpful for
> those who already have Rose models. From there, it should be relaitvely
> easy to migrate those RSM/A diagrams to UML2Tools. I think what you are
> suggesting below is to create UML class diagrams directly from the UML model
> (from XMI), in which case you have model information, but no diagrams. That
> is what hyperModel "dynagrams" do, create diagrams directly from the UML
> model. I see this as complementary to the UML2Tools editors. Indeed, my
> dynagram support can be installed seamlessly into RSM/A 7.0...
>
> This is getting off-topic for this list. If you are interested in more
> detail, contact my privately. My email address is on the paper referenced
> above.
>

OK will do.

Adam

> Regards,
> Dave Carlson
>
>> I too am working in the healthcare space (UK NHS) & am looking at mapping
>> requirements & other artifacts which come in as UML/XMI (mostly from
>> rational modeler 6) into HL7 MIF etc via the wonders of EMF etc.
>>
>> My first job in the chain is to use the EMFT compare tool to allow ppl
>> here to view what's changed in the incoming requirements & then make sure
>> they're in our models. So far so good.
>>
>> But then a 2ndary requirement is for people to be able to view these
>> models as class diagrams etc rather than simple the UML Model tree & at
>> that point....
>>
>> So this tool you mention which could take .emx files....via uml2 > uml &
>> then show them using the UML2 tools.....would be of great interest.
>>
>> It would be nice to think that IBM could do this....but given the way that
>> vendors have purposely avoided XMI-DI etc. I have to wonder...
>
>
Re: Migrating from Rationale Rose 2000 Enterprise to UML2Tools [message #602227 is a reply to message #471224] Thu, 05 July 2007 18:14 Go to previous message
Dave Carlson is currently offline Dave CarlsonFriend
Messages: 402
Registered: July 2009
Senior Member
Adam,
I also discussed this with Grahame back in January. I created an EMF model
from MIF 1.0 and used that to support transforming MIF to UML. As long as
the OHF MIF model is not in EMF, I won't use it...

Dave

> Excellent as I'm looking at linking UML requirements models to HL7 MIF
> models. Looks like we're coming at this from different ends but where both
> ends need doing. It's partly why I've been pushing Grahame to do his OHF
> MIF model in EMF...especially now he's saying that OCL is sort of OK.
>
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