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MyEclipse is best forever [message #45197] Fri, 24 September 2004 13:22 Go to next message
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Last version of MyEclipse plugin bundles the WTP (IBM contribution part) =
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fact that all bundled plugins obtained the vesion 13.X.X. It means that =
any further changes in the WTP code will be ignored if the Eclipse has =
MyEclipse installed. Bravo, guys. You are already the winner. After such =
trick, the WTP will never be better.
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Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #45225 is a reply to message #45197] Fri, 24 September 2004 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

Sergey Smirnov wrote:

> Last version of MyEclipse plugin bundles the WTP (IBM contribution part)
> with whole bunch of bugs and glinches it contains at that moment.
[note: I am really interested in what you have written, but I have
difficulties to understand. please assist me a little!]

you mean, MyEclipse they bundles all of the WTP - IBM contribution part
_with_ all the bugs.

> The fact that all bundled plugins obtained the vesion 13.X.X.

MyEclipse has set the version numbers of the plugins to 13.X.X.

> It means that
> any further changes in the WTP code will be ignored if the Eclipse has
> MyEclipse installed.

I try to follow, but I fail. Please explain.

> Bravo, guys. You are already the winner. After such
> trick, the WTP will never be better.

Please explain.

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Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #45314 is a reply to message #45197] Fri, 24 September 2004 17:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and what ?
Guys from MyEclipse change ibm plugins and they don't want that their change
be removed

regards
Sergey Smirnov wrote:

> Last version of MyEclipse plugin bundles the WTP (IBM contribution part)
> with whole bunch of bugs and glinches it contains at that moment. The fact
> that all bundled plugins obtained the vesion 13.X.X. It means that any
> further changes in the WTP code will be ignored if the Eclipse has
> MyEclipse installed. Bravo, guys. You are already the winner. After such
> trick, the WTP will never be better.
Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #45374 is a reply to message #45314] Fri, 24 September 2004 19:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"snpe" <snpe@snpe.co.yu> wrote in message news:cj1q13$q95$1@eclipse.org...
> and what ?
> Guys from MyEclipse change ibm plugins and they don't want that their
change
> be removed

According to the replies, it looks like I was misunderstood. Sorry, If my
English sounds incorrect or even violently. That was not my point. I meant,
modifying the code and changing the major or even minor version for the
reusable plugins such as GEF, EMF, XSD, JEM, WTP makes Eclipse environment
unstable for any other plugins that reuse them. This might reduce the
powerful of the Eclipse ecosystem. This is not good.
Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #45404 is a reply to message #45374] Fri, 24 September 2004 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sergey Smirnov wrote:

>
> "snpe" <snpe@snpe.co.yu> wrote in message news:cj1q13$q95$1@eclipse.org...
>> and what ?
>> Guys from MyEclipse change ibm plugins and they don't want that their
> change
>> be removed
>
> According to the replies, it looks like I was misunderstood. Sorry, If my
> English sounds incorrect or even violently. That was not my point. I
> meant, modifying the code and changing the major or even minor version for
> the reusable plugins such as GEF, EMF, XSD, JEM, WTP makes Eclipse
> environment unstable for any other plugins that reuse them. This might
> reduce the powerful of the Eclipse ecosystem. This is not good.

They don't change gef,emf,xsd, but web tools are very unstable
and ME team make it usable - development web tools is for 22 century,
probably

regards
Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #45463 is a reply to message #45374] Sat, 25 September 2004 14:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

Sergey Smirnov wrote:

> "snpe" <snpe@snpe.co.yu> wrote in message news:cj1q13$q95$1@eclipse.org...
>
>>and what ?
>>Guys from MyEclipse change ibm plugins and they don't want that their
>
> change
>
>>be removed
>
> According to the replies, it looks like I was misunderstood. Sorry, If my
> English sounds incorrect or even violently. That was not my point. I meant,

no problem.

> modifying the code and changing the major or even minor version for the
> reusable plugins such as GEF, EMF, XSD, JEM, WTP makes Eclipse environment
> unstable for any other plugins that reuse them. This might reduce the
> powerful of the Eclipse ecosystem. This is not good.

You are of course right.

But WTP is not yet officially released.

I don't know if the MyEclipse team plans to contribute their WTP
modifications back.

If so, everything is ok.

-

btw: Possibly they have done all this, to block MyEclipse users to
install and use the original WTP software in parallel to MyEclipse.

Just an thought.

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Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #45517 is a reply to message #45197] Sat, 25 September 2004 16:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 3itwee.sympatico.ca

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"MyEclipse is best forever"

You got that right!=20

"Sergey Smirnov" <sim@exadel.com> wrote in message =
news:cj1l0o$hc9$1@eclipse.org...
Last version of MyEclipse plugin bundles the WTP (IBM contribution =
part) with whole bunch of bugs and glinches it contains at that moment. =
The fact that all bundled plugins obtained the vesion 13.X.X. It means =
that any further changes in the WTP code will be ignored if the Eclipse =
has MyEclipse installed. Bravo, guys. You are already the winner. After =
such trick, the WTP will never be better.
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Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #45635 is a reply to message #45517] Sun, 26 September 2004 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 3itwee.sympatico.ca

unfortunately,(for you) ME getting wiped off the map will always be an
unfulfilled dream of yours.


Moós Gábor wrote:

> I could not disagree more.
> I hope WTP wipes MyEclipse off the map. I am not saying ME is a bad
product. Actually it is more like very good. Just take, rip, steal, grab
the best pieces open source tools have to offer, bundle them together
and add some flash (not the macromedia one) to it. There you have it,
this is ME.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nabil
> Newsgroups: eclipse.webtools
> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:13 PM
> Subject: Re: MyEclipse is best forever
>
> "MyEclipse is best forever"
>
> You got that right!
>
>
> "Sergey Smirnov" <sim@exadel.com> wrote in message
news:cj1l0o$hc9$1@eclipse.org...
> Last version of MyEclipse plugin bundles the WTP (IBM
contribution part) with whole bunch of bugs and glinches it contains at
that moment. The fact that all bundled plugins obtained the vesion
13.X.X. It means that any further changes in the WTP code will be
ignored if the Eclipse has MyEclipse installed. Bravo, guys. You are
already the winner. After such trick, the WTP will never be better.
>
Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #45790 is a reply to message #45635] Mon, 27 September 2004 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: davegabol.eircom.net

Eh, can we stop slagging this product as long as they don't spam us please?
All you are doing is giving them ongoing publicity anyway. It's happened on
other forums. They have no ethics so don't waste your time arguing with
them.

Thanks,

Dave.

"Nabil" <3itwee@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:cj6ctc$u4q$1@eclipse.org...
> unfortunately,(for you) ME getting wiped off the map will always be an
> unfulfilled dream of yours.
>
>
> Mo
Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #45849 is a reply to message #45790] Mon, 27 September 2004 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: 3itwee.sympatico.ca

no, thank YOU, for nothing though.

Dave Gabol wrote:
> Eh, can we stop slagging this product as long as they don't spam us please?
> All you are doing is giving them ongoing publicity anyway. It's happened on
> other forums. They have no ethics so don't waste your time arguing with
> them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave.
>
> "Nabil" <3itwee@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:cj6ctc$u4q$1@eclipse.org...
>
>>unfortunately,(for you) ME getting wiped off the map will always be an
>>unfulfilled dream of yours.
>>
>>
>>Moós Gábor wrote:
>>
>> > I could not disagree more.
>> > I hope WTP wipes MyEclipse off the map. I am not saying ME is a bad
>>product. Actually it is more like very good. Just take, rip, steal, grab
>>the best pieces open source tools have to offer, bundle them together
>>and add some flash (not the macromedia one) to it. There you have it,
>>this is ME.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Nabil
>> > Newsgroups: eclipse.webtools
>> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:13 PM
>> > Subject: Re: MyEclipse is best forever
>> >
>> > "MyEclipse is best forever"
>> >
>> > You got that right!
>> >
>> >
>> > "Sergey Smirnov" <sim@exadel.com> wrote in message
>>news:cj1l0o$hc9$1@eclipse.org...
>> > Last version of MyEclipse plugin bundles the WTP (IBM
>>contribution part) with whole bunch of bugs and glinches it contains at
>>that moment. The fact that all bundled plugins obtained the vesion
>>13.X.X. It means that any further changes in the WTP code will be
>>ignored if the Eclipse has MyEclipse installed. Bravo, guys. You are
>>already the winner. After such trick, the WTP will never be better.
>> >
>
>
>
Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #46066 is a reply to message #45463] Tue, 28 September 2004 03:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: eichhorn.ponton-consulting.de

Hello,

> I don't know if the MyEclipse team plans to contribute their WTP
> modifications back.
>
> If so, everything is ok.
According to the support people from the MyEclipse team
( http://www.myeclipseide.com/PNphpBB2+file-viewtopic-t-4050.h tml) they
plan to make their changes of the WTP available.

Cheers,
Jörg
Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #46454 is a reply to message #45463] Tue, 28 September 2004 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
news:cj4d23$r1n$1@eclipse.org...
>
> I don't know if the MyEclipse team plans to contribute their WTP
> modifications back.
>
> If so, everything is ok.
>

I am not sure I understand your position correctly :-(
Does this mean that a contributor has carte blanche to change the Eclipse
environment as part of installing thier product, even if it then makes the
environment incompatible with other plugins?
Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #46484 is a reply to message #46454] Tue, 28 September 2004 17:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:10:08 -0700, Sergey Smirnov <sim@exadel.com> wrote:

>
> "ilias" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message
> news:cj4d23$r1n$1@eclipse.org...
>>
>> I don't know if the MyEclipse team plans to contribute their WTP
>> modifications back.
>>
>> If so, everything is ok.
>
> I am not sure I understand your position correctly :-(

I had the same problem with yours.

You have not assisted me.

I will.

> Does this mean that a contributor has carte blanche to change the Eclipse
> environment as part of installing thier product, even if it then makes
> the environment incompatible with other plugins?

Of course he has [contributor => here: Commercial plug-in-provider]

But if a plug-in-provider does this, he will shoot in his feet (or even
head).

You cannot have continously an unethical behaviour [even as a monopolist].

The user base will react [even if a product is a good one].

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Re: MyEclipse is best forever [message #48309 is a reply to message #46066] Mon, 11 October 2004 00:41 Go to previous message
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Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:42:51 +0200, Jörg Eichhorn <eichhorn@ponton-consulting.de> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>> I don't know if the MyEclipse team plans to contribute their WTP
>> modifications back.
>>
>> If so, everything is ok.
> According to the support people from the MyEclipse team
> ( http://www.myeclipseide.com/PNphpBB2+file-viewtopic-t-4050.h tml) they
> plan to make their changes of the WTP available.

Genuitech bug fixes to IBM contribution are available on the website
http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=1516&gr oup=eclipse.webtools

Re: EPL License (was: IBM XML Editor Contribution)
http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=1515&gr oup=eclipse.webtools

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