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Marketing on this news group - Was HTML-WYSIWYG tool [message #42692] Fri, 10 September 2004 11:58 Go to next message
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Originally posted by: jkrause.w4toolkit.com

Can we get a motion to generally ban marketing and advertising on this
group?

Although it is an important Eclipse strategy to "commercialize" its
technology by an Eclipse ecosystem, I find it not very helpful to have
advertising on this list (at least now as the project has started).
There are numerous places where people want to be informed about open
source and commercial offerings in the Eclipse space.

For all interested:
http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com
http://www.eclipse-plugins.info

I would suggest to focus on issues directly tied to the webtools open
source software in this forum.

Jochen


Dave Gabol wrote:
> Hmmm, maybe that was a bit strong, but I have to agree the MyEclipse
> advertising on this forum is very annoying. If anyone else did it
they would
> be blacklisted. It seems MyEclipse are abusing their position on the
"board"
> in order to spam us all. I'd be grateful if they would just stop,
without us
> having to go into their profesionalism, or start a big argument, or
anything
> else.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave.
>
Re: Marketing on this news group - Was HTML-WYSIWYG tool [message #42755 is a reply to message #42692] Fri, 10 September 2004 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: davegabol.eircom.net

I support that motion obviously.

Interesting thought, how do we tell when consensus is reached?

"Jochen Krause" <jkrause@w4toolkit.com> wrote in message
news:chsipl$585$1@eclipse.org...
> Can we get a motion to generally ban marketing and advertising on this
> group?
>
> Although it is an important Eclipse strategy to "commercialize" its
> technology by an Eclipse ecosystem, I find it not very helpful to have
> advertising on this list (at least now as the project has started).
> There are numerous places where people want to be informed about open
> source and commercial offerings in the Eclipse space.
>
> For all interested:
> http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com
> http://www.eclipse-plugins.info
>
> I would suggest to focus on issues directly tied to the webtools open
> source software in this forum.
>
> Jochen
>
>
> Dave Gabol wrote:
> > Hmmm, maybe that was a bit strong, but I have to agree the MyEclipse
> > advertising on this forum is very annoying. If anyone else did it
> they would
> > be blacklisted. It seems MyEclipse are abusing their position on the
> "board"
> > in order to spam us all. I'd be grateful if they would just stop,
> without us
> > having to go into their profesionalism, or start a big argument, or
> anything
> > else.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave.
> >
>
Re: Marketing on this news group - Was HTML-WYSIWYG tool [message #42911 is a reply to message #42755] Fri, 10 September 2004 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Ditto..... now we have a consensus.


Dave Gabol wrote:

> I support that motion obviously.
>
> Interesting thought, how do we tell when consensus is reached?
>
> "Jochen Krause" <jkrause@w4toolkit.com> wrote in message
> news:chsipl$585$1@eclipse.org...
>
>>Can we get a motion to generally ban marketing and advertising on this
>>group?
>>
>>Although it is an important Eclipse strategy to "commercialize" its
>>technology by an Eclipse ecosystem, I find it not very helpful to have
>>advertising on this list (at least now as the project has started).
>>There are numerous places where people want to be informed about open
>>source and commercial offerings in the Eclipse space.
>>
>>For all interested:
>>http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com
>>http://www.eclipse-plugins.info
>>
>>I would suggest to focus on issues directly tied to the webtools open
>>source software in this forum.
>>
>>Jochen
>>
>>
>>Dave Gabol wrote:
>> > Hmmm, maybe that was a bit strong, but I have to agree the MyEclipse
>> > advertising on this forum is very annoying. If anyone else did it
>>they would
>> > be blacklisted. It seems MyEclipse are abusing their position on the
>>"board"
>> > in order to spam us all. I'd be grateful if they would just stop,
>>without us
>> > having to go into their profesionalism, or start a big argument, or
>>anything
>> > else.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Dave.
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: Marketing on this news group - Was HTML-WYSIWYG tool [message #42973 is a reply to message #42755] Fri, 10 September 2004 20:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: urbanejarl.hotmail.com

Ban all the advertising in this group.

Look at the IBM people. I don't see them talking here of the marvels of
WSAD, and they are the major contributor of the whole project.

"Dave Gabol" <davegabol@eircom.net> escribi
Re: Marketing on this news group - Was HTML-WYSIWYG tool [message #43049 is a reply to message #42973] Sat, 11 September 2004 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: rajbsaini.yahoo.com

Yes, it is very annoying to see the advertisement of a vendor when
people are looking for a free open source software.

Why dont I see the communicatin happenings among team members in the
newgroup? Do team members communicate through some other mean? Some
developer mailing list or some thing like this?


Raj Saini

Mindundi wrote:
> Ban all the advertising in this group.
>
> Look at the IBM people. I don't see them talking here of the marvels of
> WSAD, and they are the major contributor of the whole project.
>
> "Dave Gabol" <davegabol@eircom.net> escribió en el mensaje
> news:chskus$985$1@eclipse.org...
>
>>I support that motion obviously.
>>
>>Interesting thought, how do we tell when consensus is reached?
>>
>>"Jochen Krause" <jkrause@w4toolkit.com> wrote in message
>>news:chsipl$585$1@eclipse.org...
>>
>>>Can we get a motion to generally ban marketing and advertising on this
>>>group?
>>>
>>>Although it is an important Eclipse strategy to "commercialize" its
>>>technology by an Eclipse ecosystem, I find it not very helpful to have
>>>advertising on this list (at least now as the project has started).
>>>There are numerous places where people want to be informed about open
>>>source and commercial offerings in the Eclipse space.
>>>
>>>For all interested:
>>>http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com
>>>http://www.eclipse-plugins.info
>>>
>>>I would suggest to focus on issues directly tied to the webtools open
>>>source software in this forum.
>>>
>>>Jochen
>>>
>>>
>>>Dave Gabol wrote:
>>> > Hmmm, maybe that was a bit strong, but I have to agree the MyEclipse
>>> > advertising on this forum is very annoying. If anyone else did it
>>>they would
>>> > be blacklisted. It seems MyEclipse are abusing their position on the
>>>"board"
>>> > in order to spam us all. I'd be grateful if they would just stop,
>>>without us
>>> > having to go into their profesionalism, or start a big argument, or
>>>anything
>>> > else.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Dave.
>>> >
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Marketing on this news group - Was HTML-WYSIWYG tool [message #43199 is a reply to message #42692] Sun, 12 September 2004 07:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: thomas.hallgren.frameworx.com

Jochen Krause wrote:

> Can we get a motion to generally ban marketing and advertising on this
> group?


Absolutely. I proposed this early July. You've got my vote.

Thomas Hallgren
IBM-contribution - problems with 3.1M1 [message #43298 is a reply to message #42692] Sun, 12 September 2004 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ekkehard.gentz-software.de

hi,
first of all thanks to ibm and lomboz for their contributions.
I have a problem with the ibm contribution under 3.1M1
some parts (server, browser) are not available in the preferences
and perspectives/views. nothing in the error log.
under 3.0.1RC2 they run.

regards
ekkehard
Re: Marketing on this news group - Was HTML-WYSIWYG tool [message #43341 is a reply to message #43049] Sun, 12 September 2004 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Although I cannot be considered as an really active member of this
newsgroup, I am following the wtp and this forum since before their
birth, following some eclipse newsgroups for quite some time and I have
been bored with that annoying kind of answers (not only from genuitec
people) for quite some time.
I am glad now, to see that some of this newsgroup's most active members
are raising that problem and trying to find a solution.
Of course, I would understand the frustration of a vendor trying by any
means necessary to promote such a product in an open source community,
by default kind of allergic to that kind of marketing strategy...

Raj Saini wrote:
> Yes, it is very annoying to see the advertisement of a vendor when
> people are looking for a free open source software.
>
> Why dont I see the communicatin happenings among team members in the
> newgroup? Do team members communicate through some other mean? Some
> developer mailing list or some thing like this?
>
>
> Raj Saini
>
> Mindundi wrote:
>
>> Ban all the advertising in this group.
>>
>> Look at the IBM people. I don't see them talking here of the marvels
>> of WSAD, and they are the major contributor of the whole project.
>>
>> "Dave Gabol" <davegabol@eircom.net> escribió en el mensaje
>> news:chskus$985$1@eclipse.org...
>>
>>> I support that motion obviously.
>>>
>>> Interesting thought, how do we tell when consensus is reached?
>>>
>>> "Jochen Krause" <jkrause@w4toolkit.com> wrote in message
>>> news:chsipl$585$1@eclipse.org...
>>>
>>>> Can we get a motion to generally ban marketing and advertising on this
>>>> group?
>>>>
>>>> Although it is an important Eclipse strategy to "commercialize" its
>>>> technology by an Eclipse ecosystem, I find it not very helpful to have
>>>> advertising on this list (at least now as the project has started).
>>>> There are numerous places where people want to be informed about open
>>>> source and commercial offerings in the Eclipse space.
>>>>
>>>> For all interested:
>>>> http://www.eclipseplugincentral.com
>>>> http://www.eclipse-plugins.info
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest to focus on issues directly tied to the webtools open
>>>> source software in this forum.
>>>>
>>>> Jochen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave Gabol wrote:
>>>> > Hmmm, maybe that was a bit strong, but I have to agree the MyEclipse
>>>> > advertising on this forum is very annoying. If anyone else did it
>>>> they would
>>>> > be blacklisted. It seems MyEclipse are abusing their position on the
>>>> "board"
>>>> > in order to spam us all. I'd be grateful if they would just stop,
>>>> without us
>>>> > having to go into their profesionalism, or start a big argument, or
>>>> anything
>>>> > else.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> > Dave.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
Re: IBM-contribution - problems with 3.1M1 [message #43372 is a reply to message #43298] Sun, 12 September 2004 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

ekkehard wrote:
> hi,
> first of all thanks to ibm and lomboz for their contributions.
> I have a problem with the ibm contribution under 3.1M1
> some parts (server, browser) are not available in the preferences
> and perspectives/views. nothing in the error log.
> under 3.0.1RC2 they run.

sorry, cannot help.

-

just general remark:

if you have a new topic, please post a new message, instead of using
"reply" on another thread!

cu.

> regards
> ekkehard

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Re: Marketing on this news group - Was HTML-WYSIWYG tool [message #43402 is a reply to message #43049] Sun, 12 September 2004 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

Raj Saini wrote:

> Yes, it is very annoying to see the advertisement of a vendor when
> people are looking for a free open source software.
>
> Why dont I see the communicatin happenings among team members in the
> newgroup?

This is mostly due to the startup-problems of this project.

It looks that things are going the right way now!

> Do team members communicate through some other mean? Some
> developer mailing list or some thing like this?

Contributors use the mailinglist:

The archives:
http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/maillist.html

You can subscribe here to watch the traffic:
https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/wtp-dev

note: the place for users to interact with the projects contributors is
this newsgroup here.

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Re: Marketing on this news group - Was HTML-WYSIWYG tool [message #43462 is a reply to message #43341] Sun, 12 September 2004 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

Jean Couillaud wrote:

[...]
> Of course, I would understand the frustration of a vendor trying by any
> means necessary to promote such a product in an open source community,
> by default kind of allergic to that kind of marketing strategy...

A clean method is 'decent advertising':

- provide feedback and assistance to the community
- Provide workarounds, solutions, point to _open-source_ products.
- _never_ say: "our company has the solution x for n$".

- use a _decent_ footer for identification, with a URL to the companies
webpage.

e.g:

"--"
John Doe, Senior Analyst
http://product-website.com

-

Users which like the newsgroup-contributions of a person will most
likely follow the link one day, driven by curiosity to see what's behind
the person which contributes.

Everything needed to advertise a product is done, provided that the
companies/products Website is quick enouth to take an advantage of the
users attention:

http://lazaridis.com/core/website/test20sec.html

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Re: IBM-contribution - problems with 3.1M1 [message #43586 is a reply to message #43372] Mon, 13 September 2004 03:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: ekkehard.gentz-software.de

> just general remark:
>
> if you have a new topic, please post a new message, instead of using
> "reply" on another thread!
>
> cu.

I know. it was a click on the wrong button in my outlook newsreader.
next time I'll be more carefully

regards

ekkehard
Re: Marketing on this news group - Was HTML-WYSIWYG tool [message #43737 is a reply to message #42692] Mon, 13 September 2004 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Originally posted by: smesh.openrules.com

Jochen Krause wrote:
> Can we get a motion to generally ban marketing and advertising on this
> group?

Just FYI, there is quite smart discussion of the commercial aspects of
Eclipse.org (at least for RCP) at:

http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=24&grou p=eclipse.platform.rcp

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10x,
Sam Mesh
Re: Marketing on this news group - Was HTML-WYSIWYG tool [message #45605 is a reply to message #42692] Sat, 25 September 2004 17:19 Go to previous message
Eclipse UserFriend
Originally posted by: ilias.lazaridis.com

Jochen Krause wrote:

> Can we get a motion to generally ban marketing and advertising on this
> group?
[...]

an similar case, other group, other people:

Re: [ANN] New CodePro Studio 3.0 Products
http://www.eclipse.org/newsportal/article.php?id=12013&g roup=eclipse.tools.jdt

"self-styled newsgroups cops", take care.

cu!

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