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Re: Toolset for the modelling /animation of electronic transaction [message #374320 is a reply to message #374319] |
Wed, 17 October 2007 13:10 |
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Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com
Hi Don,
can you please give some more information?
What entity are you working for ?
What is the open source component you are talking about ? Where can we
have a look at it ? What is its current license ? In the event that such
a component would be given to the Eclipse Foundation, will it be
possible to relicense it to EPL ?
How would you interact with our components ? Where would you like to
concentrate your efforts ?
Please answer those questions so we can go a bit further in the
conversation.
Regards,
Antoine
PS: it is not a good ideas to post the same thing on different
newsgroups. When posting to several newsgroup, it is best to add them
all to the To: field, so that replies will be copied to each of them.
Don Martin wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My name is Don Martin and I work for a public non-profit research
> center. We have created a software toolset for the modelling,
> validation and animation of electronic messages and I thought that your
> group might be interested in our work. In simplest terms, our toolset
> was designed to help business analysts design a model for the exchange
> of data between multiple business partners, animate/validate the data
> via a work flow engine, and then give non-technical business people the
> ability to interact with the model via a web browser. If you are
> familiar with jBoss jBPM then you can make a (slight) comparison between
> the two. Our toolset has an open source component and I would very much
> like to see if there is a need for our modelling expertise and/or the
> tool set.
> Technical components
> UML modelling software (Magic Draw)
> CASE plug-in for translation of model to XML/XPDL
> Workflow engine to animate model
> Web site for interacting with the model
>
> If someone would like to know more or has specific question please feel
> free to contact me. I will also add this info to the Modelling and
> Swordfish groups if I can.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don
>
>
--
Intalio, the Open Source BPMS Company
<a href="http://www.intalio.com">http://www.intalio.com</a>
<a href="http://bpms.intalio.com">Community website</a>
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Re: Toolset for the modelling /animation of electronic transaction [message #374322 is a reply to message #374321] |
Tue, 23 October 2007 11:26 |
Adrian Skehill Messages: 36 Registered: July 2009 |
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Hello Don,
Thanks for this, I've played back your flash demo on the website, but I found
it difficult to get a proper handle on it.
I'd like to propose that we organise a meeting and if you'd be able to walk
through your proposal we could see if there would be a home for it in the STP.
Let me know, and we can get something set up.
Adrian Skehill,
IONA Technologies.
Don Martin wrote:
> Hi Antoine,
>
> Thank you for your response. I will try to answer your questions in
> order and then give you some additional information. I work for a
> not-for-profit public research center in Luxembourg. Our work is funded
> via EU and national grants. We have supported FOSS projects in the past
> and are active in trying to promote its use (go to www.tudor.lu if you
> would like to learn more). I learned of Eclipse from another FOSS
> initiative and contacted Frederic Conrotte (Kaupthing bank) to see if
> OFMP might have a need for our tool. Long story short, he suggested
> that I contact the newsgroup.
>
> Our toolset was developed for businesses that need to define the scope
> and precise data elements that are exchanged in complex electronic
> transactions. At a high level our toolset has two components; a CASE
> plug-in designed for Magic Draw (not very FOSS-like, but at the time it
> was the best tool for our UML needs) and a workflow engine that is made
> up of open source components. We have a research oriented web site at
> http://efficient.citi.tudor.lu/ (link to the English version at the top
> of the page on the right) and if you will send me your email address I
> can send you a FLASH demo of what we have built.
>
> Ideally, what we are looking for is a work-study project where we would
> use our toolset and modelling skills in a real-world environment.
> Normally we ask for a funded project (we can usually get matching
> funding up to 50%) with a partner and then would "transfer" the code to
> the project partner as part of the project. As most of the toolset was
> developed using GPL components it don't believe that it would be a
> problem to make it EPL.
>
> Now I know that this may not be in the true sprit of FOSS and Eclipse,
> but if I can find a definite need for our toolset then I might be able
> to argue for more involvement in the project. If it turns out that you
> can use another open source tool to accomplish the same thing, then at
> the very least I can present Eclipse to our directors and see if they
> want to contribute in another way.
>
> Please let me know your thoughts. My email is donald.martin@tudor.lu
> and I will be more than happy to send the FLASH demo to anyone that
> wants to see it.
> Take care,
>
> Don
>
>
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Re: Toolset for the modelling /animation of electronic transaction [message #374331 is a reply to message #374330] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 12:41 |
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Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com
Hi Don,
all good then, you and Adrian will tell us more next week.
One side note: GPL is not compatible with the EPL (more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_Public_License)
Thanks,
Antoine
Don Martin wrote:
> Hi Antoine,
>
>
> Good questions all. I will be having a phone call with Adrian Skehill
> next Wednesday to discuss both the STP project and what our interest is.
> Since I do not really know yet if our work would be of value to any of
> the Eclipse projects you will please forgive me for not coming up with a
> firm recommendation. I can confirm that we did use Eclipse to create
> our CASE tool and animator. Since we have used a proprietary UML
> software (Magic Draw)as part of our work I don't believe that we will be
> recommending replacing anything that has to do with UML. However our
> workflow engine/animator was built using open source tools and is under
> GPL so I beleieve that - provided that we find a project that
> corresponds to our research - we would be forced (if I can use the term)
> to release our work to the public domain after the project is over.
> Hopefully after next weeks call things will be clearer and we can
> perhaps move forward.
> Thanks,
>
> Don
--
Intalio, the Open Source BPMS Company
<a href="http://www.intalio.com">http://www.intalio.com</a>
<a href="http://bpms.intalio.com">Community website</a>
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Re: Toolset for the modelling /animation of electronic transaction [message #601119 is a reply to message #374319] |
Wed, 17 October 2007 13:10 |
Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com
Hi Don,
can you please give some more information?
What entity are you working for ?
What is the open source component you are talking about ? Where can we
have a look at it ? What is its current license ? In the event that such
a component would be given to the Eclipse Foundation, will it be
possible to relicense it to EPL ?
How would you interact with our components ? Where would you like to
concentrate your efforts ?
Please answer those questions so we can go a bit further in the
conversation.
Regards,
Antoine
PS: it is not a good ideas to post the same thing on different
newsgroups. When posting to several newsgroup, it is best to add them
all to the To: field, so that replies will be copied to each of them.
Don Martin wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My name is Don Martin and I work for a public non-profit research
> center. We have created a software toolset for the modelling,
> validation and animation of electronic messages and I thought that your
> group might be interested in our work. In simplest terms, our toolset
> was designed to help business analysts design a model for the exchange
> of data between multiple business partners, animate/validate the data
> via a work flow engine, and then give non-technical business people the
> ability to interact with the model via a web browser. If you are
> familiar with jBoss jBPM then you can make a (slight) comparison between
> the two. Our toolset has an open source component and I would very much
> like to see if there is a need for our modelling expertise and/or the
> tool set.
> Technical components
> UML modelling software (Magic Draw)
> CASE plug-in for translation of model to XML/XPDL
> Workflow engine to animate model
> Web site for interacting with the model
>
> If someone would like to know more or has specific question please feel
> free to contact me. I will also add this info to the Modelling and
> Swordfish groups if I can.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don
>
>
--
Intalio, the Open Source BPMS Company
<a href="http://www.intalio.com">http://www.intalio.com</a>
<a href="http://bpms.intalio.com">Community website</a>
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Re: Toolset for the modelling /animation of electronic transaction [message #601137 is a reply to message #374321] |
Tue, 23 October 2007 11:26 |
Adrian Skehill Messages: 36 Registered: July 2009 |
Member |
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Hello Don,
Thanks for this, I've played back your flash demo on the website, but I found
it difficult to get a proper handle on it.
I'd like to propose that we organise a meeting and if you'd be able to walk
through your proposal we could see if there would be a home for it in the STP.
Let me know, and we can get something set up.
Adrian Skehill,
IONA Technologies.
Don Martin wrote:
> Hi Antoine,
>
> Thank you for your response. I will try to answer your questions in
> order and then give you some additional information. I work for a
> not-for-profit public research center in Luxembourg. Our work is funded
> via EU and national grants. We have supported FOSS projects in the past
> and are active in trying to promote its use (go to www.tudor.lu if you
> would like to learn more). I learned of Eclipse from another FOSS
> initiative and contacted Frederic Conrotte (Kaupthing bank) to see if
> OFMP might have a need for our tool. Long story short, he suggested
> that I contact the newsgroup.
>
> Our toolset was developed for businesses that need to define the scope
> and precise data elements that are exchanged in complex electronic
> transactions. At a high level our toolset has two components; a CASE
> plug-in designed for Magic Draw (not very FOSS-like, but at the time it
> was the best tool for our UML needs) and a workflow engine that is made
> up of open source components. We have a research oriented web site at
> http://efficient.citi.tudor.lu/ (link to the English version at the top
> of the page on the right) and if you will send me your email address I
> can send you a FLASH demo of what we have built.
>
> Ideally, what we are looking for is a work-study project where we would
> use our toolset and modelling skills in a real-world environment.
> Normally we ask for a funded project (we can usually get matching
> funding up to 50%) with a partner and then would "transfer" the code to
> the project partner as part of the project. As most of the toolset was
> developed using GPL components it don't believe that it would be a
> problem to make it EPL.
>
> Now I know that this may not be in the true sprit of FOSS and Eclipse,
> but if I can find a definite need for our toolset then I might be able
> to argue for more involvement in the project. If it turns out that you
> can use another open source tool to accomplish the same thing, then at
> the very least I can present Eclipse to our directors and see if they
> want to contribute in another way.
>
> Please let me know your thoughts. My email is donald.martin@tudor.lu
> and I will be more than happy to send the FLASH demo to anyone that
> wants to see it.
> Take care,
>
> Don
>
>
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Re: Toolset for the modelling /animation of electronic transaction [message #601221 is a reply to message #374330] |
Thu, 25 October 2007 12:41 |
Eclipse User |
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Originally posted by: atoulme.intalio.com
Hi Don,
all good then, you and Adrian will tell us more next week.
One side note: GPL is not compatible with the EPL (more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_Public_License)
Thanks,
Antoine
Don Martin wrote:
> Hi Antoine,
>
>
> Good questions all. I will be having a phone call with Adrian Skehill
> next Wednesday to discuss both the STP project and what our interest is.
> Since I do not really know yet if our work would be of value to any of
> the Eclipse projects you will please forgive me for not coming up with a
> firm recommendation. I can confirm that we did use Eclipse to create
> our CASE tool and animator. Since we have used a proprietary UML
> software (Magic Draw)as part of our work I don't believe that we will be
> recommending replacing anything that has to do with UML. However our
> workflow engine/animator was built using open source tools and is under
> GPL so I beleieve that - provided that we find a project that
> corresponds to our research - we would be forced (if I can use the term)
> to release our work to the public domain after the project is over.
> Hopefully after next weeks call things will be clearer and we can
> perhaps move forward.
> Thanks,
>
> Don
--
Intalio, the Open Source BPMS Company
<a href="http://www.intalio.com">http://www.intalio.com</a>
<a href="http://bpms.intalio.com">Community website</a>
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