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2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1829955] Tue, 14 July 2020 18:16 Go to next message
Helen Keller is currently offline Helen KellerFriend
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I started to get series of similar "dependencies" error when adding new software.

What does it mean?

Since the "new" software cannot be installed it tells me that installing dependency is basically broken and useless. Or it will break something else when forced.


Cannot complete the install because some dependencies are not satisfiable
Software being installed: a.jre.javase 10.0.0
Software currently installed: C/C++ Meson Build Support - Preview 9.11.1.202004012023 (org.eclipse.cdt.meson.feature.group 9.11.1.202004012023)
Cannot satisfy dependency:
From: C/C++ Meson Build Support - Preview 9.11.1.202004012023 (org.eclipse.cdt.meson.feature.group 9.11.1.202004012023)
To: org.eclipse.equinox.p2.iu; org.eclipse.tools.templates.freemarker.java11 [1.1.100.202001140305,1.1.100.202001140305]
Cannot satisfy dependency:
From: Template Engine Freemarker Support (Java 11) 1.1.100.202001140305 (org.eclipse.tools.templates.freemarker.java11 1.1.100.202001140305)
To: osgi.ee; (&(osgi.ee=JavaSE)(version=11))
Re: 2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1829970 is a reply to message #1829955] Wed, 15 July 2020 04:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Helen Keller is currently offline Helen KellerFriend
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Does anybody cares ?

As expected (!) some parts of 2020-06 are not working .
After attempt to install " Plug-in" I received similar message as in my original post , then this " detailed description" of the error.

java.lang.NullPointerException

Why does "eclipse foundation" insist on destroying Eclipse ?

It gets worse with each release ,
please "Eclipse foundation "

do some quality control or volunteer to GET A DIFFERENT JOB !

Re: 2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1829971 is a reply to message #1829970] Wed, 15 July 2020 04:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed MerksFriend
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The first problem sounds like this one:

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=564698

The issue was caused by the changes made for this Bug:

https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=483383#c51

The idea was to check whether the JRE currently running the IDE will really be able to start the bundles being installed. But apparently some parts of CDT relied on installing bundles that would not actually start/work on older JREs.

The best workaround is to upgrade your JRE/JDT to at least Java 11; the next release of Eclipse will require at least Java 11 anyway. The feature was added precisely for this reason, i.e., so that those people running on Java 8 and updating to a release that requires at least Java 11 should be informed so that they don't update and then afterwards the IDE fails to launch...

Or you can disable the option which does this JRE capability checking as described in the second Bugzilla.


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Re: 2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1830023 is a reply to message #1829971] Thu, 16 July 2020 01:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Helen Keller is currently offline Helen KellerFriend
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Yet another "feature " ?
In CDT console - I am unable to highlight selected line - makes "cut and paste " impossible.
Re: 2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1830024 is a reply to message #1829971] Thu, 16 July 2020 01:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Helen Keller is currently offline Helen KellerFriend
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Ed, many thanks for posting the bug.
I did czech it and "remedy" is Java 14 - that is fourteen !
or "wait for next release java 11 "...
so - which is it ?

This is really "very interesting, (but stupid) " - Eclipse seems to be more and more swiss army knife and then they bomb the "software update " option so users cannot do the update.
Re: 2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1830033 is a reply to message #1830024] Thu, 16 July 2020 04:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed MerksFriend
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Please use the CDT forum to discuss problems with the CDT console.

Installing and using any Java version 11 or higher will avoid the problem. In addition, Window -> Preferences -> Install/Update "Verify provisioning operation is compatible..." can be unchecked. So you have a number of options.

As for bombing, consider you did an update in 3 months and afterwards your installation could no longer be launched. I would assume that you'd probably be pretty unhappy about that, hence the additional checking that no bundle being installed requires a version of Java higher than the one you are currently running on. Given the swiss army knife nature of Eclipse is a fact of life--how else do dozens of teams deliver the knife---it was simply not anticipated that some project was deliberately installing a plugin intentionally designed to fail to start with Java 8...


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Re: 2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1830067 is a reply to message #1830033] Thu, 16 July 2020 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Helen Keller is currently offline Helen KellerFriend
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Why should use CDT forum?

Take a look at "standard " replies there

... it is your fault...
..RTFM...
.. write bug report...
Re: 2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1830087 is a reply to message #1830067] Fri, 17 July 2020 06:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed MerksFriend
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Helen Keller wrote on Thu, 16 July 2020 17:35
Why should use CDT forum?

Why use the newcomers forum when the people who provide the software in question don't read what you write when you write it here?

Quote:
Take a look at "standard " replies there

... it is your fault...
..RTFM...
.. write bug report...

Sometimes problems are user errors, though users make more errors when the user interface is confusing...

Reading documentation is of course a solution to many problems.

No problem will be fixed without a bug report so it seems reasonable to ask a user to write one.

Often one gets better answers when one asks better questions:

http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro

I think that comments as as the one you made stating "I want my money back for 2020-06 !" will definitely be something that the casual reading will likely find somewhat offensive and is definitely likely to not help solicit helpful answers. After all, I doubt you donated any money.

https://www.eclipse.org/setups/donate/


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Re: 2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1830111 is a reply to message #1830087] Fri, 17 July 2020 12:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nitin Dahyabhai is currently offline Nitin DahyabhaiFriend
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If you/anyone would like to help the QA process in the future, milestone build
candidates for the packages are posted to the epp-dev mailing list.
https://www.eclipse.org/lists/epp-dev/msg05956.html announces
the M1 packages, although feedback would be expected in the mailing list
or with bug reports.


Nitin Dahyabhai
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[Updated on: Fri, 17 July 2020 13:07]

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Re: 2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1830134 is a reply to message #1830111] Fri, 17 July 2020 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Helen Keller is currently offline Helen KellerFriend
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Well, I'll bite to be guinea pig for new release. You sure make it convoluted to sign-up.
I sure don't see SIMPLE list of what is new .

Same goes about posting a bug - IT NEEDS TO BE MUCH SIMPLER - doing it in CDT is a pain.


I did posted elsewhere about 2020-06 broken editor and do not see anything about it anywhere.
Re: 2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1830136 is a reply to message #1830087] Fri, 17 July 2020 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Helen Keller is currently offline Helen KellerFriend
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Ed,
I made good money as "overpaid " telephone repair man.
Software, hardware , installation , cut-over testing AND QA....

NEVER, and I really mean NEVER in my professional life I told customer

RTFM
it is user's fault
write me a bug report

As I said many times , here and elsewhere - I would suggest you read , in your spare time
" Inmates are running the asylum"

Cheers

Re: 2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1830150 is a reply to message #1830136] Sat, 18 July 2020 05:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Merks is currently offline Ed MerksFriend
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Helen Keller wrote on Fri, 17 July 2020 19:04
Ed,
I made good money as "overpaid " telephone repair man.
Software, hardware , installation , cut-over testing AND QA....

I make no money helping you or anyone else on these forums.

Quote:

NEVER, and I really mean NEVER in my professional life I told customer

RTFM
it is user's fault
write me a bug report


People who pay money for services are entitled to have higher expectations or they will go elsewhere to spend their money. I try to avoid SHOUTING at people because no one really likes that even if helps vent my frustration.

Quote:

As I said many times , here and elsewhere - I would suggest you read , in your spare time
" Inmates are running the asylum"

Cheers


You might consider reading this:

http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro


Ed Merks
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Re: 2020-06 "dependencies " errors [message #1830780 is a reply to message #1829971] Mon, 03 August 2020 19:40 Go to previous message
Joel Adams is currently offline Joel AdamsFriend
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Hi Ed,

After running into this same issue when trying to install CDT 9.11.1 on Eclipse 2020-06, I came across your response here, which put me on the track to resolving the issue.

The snag I ran into is that since the current version of OpenJDK is 14.x, I began by installing that and then trying to install CDT. Unfortunately, this produced very similar errors for me--references to missing Java 11 components.

So I uninstalled OpenJDK 14, installed OpenJDK 11, and CDT then installed as it should.

Is the dependency on Java 11 hardwired into CDT? If so, it seems like that ought not to be--it ought to be 11 or later...

Thanks,

-Joel.
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