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SIRIUS VS EPSILON? [message #1817696] Thu, 28 November 2019 01:39 Go to next message
Clever Alves is currently offline Clever AlvesFriend
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Hi, everyone!

I've got an Ecore model and would like to build a graphical representation of it, say, in a BPMN-like style.

Could anyone please compare Sirius with Epsilon in this context?

Thank you for your attention.

Regards,

Clever.
Re: SIRIUS VS EPSILON? [message #1817708 is a reply to message #1817696] Thu, 28 November 2019 06:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ed Willink is currently offline Ed WillinkFriend
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Hi

Apples and Oranges ...

Sirius is a much better graphical tool than Epsilon, which AFAIAA has no graphical capabilities, pace Eugenia.

Epsilon is a much better model transformation tool than Sirius, which AFAIAA has no transformation capabilities.

I cannot think of a problem that could be solved by either Sirius or Epsilon alone. There are many problems that can be solved Sirius and Epsilon in combination.

Regards

Ed Willink

Re: SIRIUS VS EPSILON? [message #1817762 is a reply to message #1817708] Thu, 28 November 2019 16:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Laurent Redor is currently offline Laurent RedorFriend
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Hi,

Have you looked at https://github.com/ObeoNetwork/BPMN-Designer ? It is a BPMN Designer based on Sirius.

Regards,

Laurent


Laurent Redor - Obeo

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Re: SIRIUS VS EPSILON? [message #1817783 is a reply to message #1817708] Fri, 29 November 2019 05:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Clever Alves is currently offline Clever AlvesFriend
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Thank you for your reply, Ed!

Quote:
Sirius is a much better graphical tool than Epsilon, which AFAIAA has no graphical capabilities, pace Eugenia.

Epsilon is a much better model transformation tool than Sirius, which AFAIAA has no transformation capabilities.


It helps!

Regards,

Clever.
Re: SIRIUS VS EPSILON? [message #1817784 is a reply to message #1817762] Fri, 29 November 2019 05:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Clever Alves is currently offline Clever AlvesFriend
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Merci de votre réponse, Laurent!

Quote:
Have you looked at https://github.com/ObeoNetwork/BPMN-Designer ? It is a BPMN Designer based on Sirius.


It sounds interesting...Does it import an Ecore model and come out with a BPMN representation of it?

Would you have any URL with in-depth documentation?

Regards,

Clever.
SIRIUS VS EPSILON? [message #1817985 is a reply to message #1817784] Tue, 03 December 2019 22:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Clever Alves is currently offline Clever AlvesFriend
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Hi, Laurent!

Quote:
Have you looked at https://github.com/ObeoNetwork/BPMN-Designer ? It is a BPMN Designer based on Sirius.


I'd appreciate if you could clarify your suggestion a little bit. I'm fresh in the field and there are so many possibilities that I frequently get confused...:-)

Does it import an Ecore model and come out with a BPMN representation of it?

I'd like to start off building a BPMN-like model with a preexisting Ecore model as input, I don't want to build a BPMN model from scratch, i.e., I don't need a BPMN design tool.

Thank you for your attention.

Regards,

Clever.

Re: SIRIUS VS EPSILON? [message #1818022 is a reply to message #1817985] Wed, 04 December 2019 10:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Laurent Redor is currently offline Laurent RedorFriend
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Hi,

It does not really "import" an Ecore model. But it uses an Ecore model. The BMPN-Designer is based on this meta-model: https://github.com/ObeoNetwork/BPMN-Designer/tree/master/plugins/org.obeonetwork.dsl.bpmn2/model
You have a sample of a corresponding ecore file here : https://github.com/ObeoNetwork/BPMN-Designer/blob/master/samples/org.obeonetwork.dsl.bpmn2.samples.src.nobelprize/definitions.bpmn

The simple way for you is probably to install and test it.

Regards,

Laurent


Laurent Redor - Obeo

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SIRIUS VS EPSILON? [message #1818104 is a reply to message #1818022] Fri, 06 December 2019 04:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Clever Alves is currently offline Clever AlvesFriend
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Thank you for your reply, Laurent!

I've installed Obeo Designer Community 11.2 and the items

index.php/fa/36916/0/ (alternatively, refer to the attachment)

and

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/obeo-bpmndesigner-releases/4.0.1/repository/
(BPMN-Designer and Sirius Support for Legacy Queries features)

I also explored all links in the welcome tab. The documentation seems to replicate the available one on Sirius though. Would there be any documentation on how to transform Ecore models into BPMN diagrams or a tutorial on how to build the BPMN samples in the OD's examples folder?

Thank you for your attention.

Regards,

Clever.
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Re: SIRIUS VS EPSILON? [message #1818831 is a reply to message #1817784] Mon, 30 December 2019 07:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Avi Shaked is currently offline Avi ShakedFriend
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Quote:
Does it import an Ecore model and come out with a BPMN representation of it?


Is there a method to take an ECORE model and transform it to BPMN?

[Updated on: Mon, 30 December 2019 07:46]

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Re: SIRIUS VS EPSILON? [message #1818934 is a reply to message #1818831] Fri, 03 January 2020 04:20 Go to previous message
Clever Alves is currently offline Clever AlvesFriend
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It seems Obeo's BPMN Designer could help, but I couldn't even load its BPMN examples, so I've given up using it.
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