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icon4.gif  RFC/Poll: Remove Version Information from FBs in FB Network Editors [message #1736768] Fri, 01 July 2016 15:22 Go to next message
Alois Zoitl is currently offline Alois ZoitlFriend
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Should the Version Information be removed from FB Instances in FB Network editors?[ 1 vote ]
1.Yes remove it! 1 / 100%
2.No keep it! 0 / 0%

For quite some time I'm pondering if in the version information which is shown below the type name of FBs in the FB network editors is really helpful or distracting and just eating up screen real estate?

Therefore I made a quick prototype where I removed the version information and attached two screen shots, with and without version information.

As I don't know if some of you find the version information helpful I would like to ask you what you find better?

Looking forward to your answers,
Alois

[Updated on: Sat, 02 July 2016 08:02]

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Re: RFC/Poll: Remove Version Information from FBs in FB Network Editors [message #1736785 is a reply to message #1736768] Fri, 01 July 2016 17:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Monika Wenger is currently offline Monika WengerFriend
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since this Information is somehow also within the tabbed property Sheets i would remove it.
icon7.gif  Re: RFC/Poll: Remove Version Information from FBs in FB Network Editors [message #1736790 is a reply to message #1736785] Fri, 01 July 2016 18:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gerhard Ebenhofer is currently offline Gerhard EbenhoferFriend
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I don't need the version number - so from that point it can be removed. Nevertheless, my opinion is, that the FBs with the version number looks a bit clearer - I can "easier" find the type name. Maybe a different font (e.g. bold or italic) for the TypeName could support that.
Re: RFC/Poll: Remove Version Information from FBs in FB Network Editors [message #1736815 is a reply to message #1736790] Sat, 02 July 2016 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Alois Zoitl is currently offline Alois ZoitlFriend
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Hi,

thanks for pointing this out. Please find attached to version. One with bold type and one with bold instance. I personally think that the emphasis should be on the instance and not the type name.

Cheers,
Alois

P.S.: It looks that somehow the poll is not working as intented. So I kindly ask to put your suggestions as comments. Thx.
Re: RFC/Poll: Remove Version Information from FBs in FB Network Editors [message #1736859 is a reply to message #1736815] Sun, 03 July 2016 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I played a little further with font styles and created a version where the type name is bold and the instance name is italic.
Re: RFC/Poll: Remove Version Information from FBs in FB Network Editors [message #1741889 is a reply to message #1736859] Tue, 30 August 2016 12:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like the version with the bold instance name and the italic type name.

Regards,
Gerhard
Re: RFC/Poll: Remove Version Information from FBs in FB Network Editors [message #1741952 is a reply to message #1741889] Tue, 30 August 2016 18:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In the meantime I was not so sure myself at all. Therefore I googled images on IEC 61131-3 and IEC 61499 and FB tools in general. Just to see how the represent type and instance names and where they put the emphasis. After a few hours I stoped I had seen so many different things and was less sure then ever what a good solution would be. I complied the attached mock ups to give you even more choices Wink
Re: RFC/Poll: Remove Version Information from FBs in FB Network Editors [message #1742079 is a reply to message #1741952] Wed, 31 August 2016 08:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just one thin g I forgot to mention yesterday. 4diac FBs are a little broader then the FBs of other tools. The reason is that we are printing the type name in the small part between events and data. Most other tools are printing it above the data IOs some also on the top. This can make the FB a little smaller, but it needs more vertical space. As now nearly all screens are wide screens being vertically smaller is definitely better then being horizontal smaller. So I would opt for any option that saves as vertical space.
Re: RFC/Poll: Remove Version Information from FBs in FB Network Editors [message #1752532 is a reply to message #1742079] Tue, 24 January 2017 18:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This thread got somewhat rather silence. As we are planing to do a first milestone release I would also add some improvements suggested from this thread also for this release. In parallel I had some off-line talks with 4diac users and it seams that the option bith bold type name has the most support. Furthermore I think haveing the instance name above the FB leads to a better look and feel of the overall FB.

Any preferences if the instance name should be italic or normal font?

Re: RFC/Poll: Remove Version Information from FBs in FB Network Editors [message #1753171 is a reply to message #1752532] Thu, 02 February 2017 12:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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+1 for bold not italic instance name and italic type name
Re: RFC/Poll: Remove Version Information from FBs in FB Network Editors [message #1753213 is a reply to message #1753171] Thu, 02 February 2017 17:45 Go to previous message
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In order to get a first prototpye for 1.9.0.M1 I moved the version number into the tooltip [1] and adopted Monika's proposals. Looking forward to your impressions when you test it.

[1] https://sourceforge.net/p/fordiac/fordiac-ide/ci/ecee721f3b216ddc7eb67ffc8f602bc2076a676b/tree/
[2] https://sourceforge.net/p/fordiac/fordiac-ide/ci/9a81574c82473136e48628e5fcb2822705d9327c/tree/
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