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Re: [platform-text-dev] [platform-ui-dev] [proposal] Unite platform text and UI projects forces
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Hi Dani,
Thanks for bringing it to the PMC.
Resources might also be a project you may want to discuss in the PMC
to merge into platform UI. The 5 top committers (and contributors) are
also platform ui committers. Here are the name of the top active
developers taken from
https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse.platform.resources/who
Sergey Prigogin
Lars Vogel
Markus Keller
Szymon Ptaszki
Dani Megert
Best regards, Lars
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Daniel Megert <daniel_megert@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Stefan,
>
> I can follow some of your arguments and those from others, but at the moment
> I'd really prefer to add seriously interested people to Platform Text rather
> than merge the sub-project into Platform UI and give over 20 people access
> to that code. The same arguments for merging could be brought up for other
> Platform sub-projects. Maybe in the end merging everything will be the final
> answer. However, the drawback is that we loose the publicly declared
> leadership for those sub-projects and persons being accountable for that
> code when we merge everything into one pot.
>
> I will bring this into the PMC for discussion and let you all know of the
> outcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Dani
>
>
>
> From: Stefan Xenos <sxenos@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Eclipse Platform UI component developers list."
> <platform-ui-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Eclipse Platform Text component developers
> list <platform-text-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 09.10.2015 14:58
> Subject: Re: [platform-ui-dev] [proposal] Unite platform text and UI
> projects forces
> Sent by: platform-ui-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> +1 from me for the merge. To be honest, I was about to propose the same
> thing. The high segregation of Eclipse projects makes it hard to perform
> large-scale cleanup (deal with deprecations, fix formatting, update
> copyright headers, etc.).
>
> Platform text is such a small project that it would take a long time for any
> one UI committer to build up enough patches to get nominated for commit
> rights, but it's a very important one... and having so few committers on it
> creates an unnecessary bottleneck. Most of the patterns used in platform
> text are familiar to other UI developers who have worked on concrete text
> editors, so there would be many people qualified to write good bugfixes when
> they come up.
>
> The current platform text committers will still be the platform text experts
> and would be consulted on any design change. The difference would be that
> they would no longer need to be involved in the "context-free" changes that
> make up a large portion of contributions to platform text. This would reduce
> the workload for the current text committers and would reduce the time that
> such changes need to wait in the queue.
>
> - Stefan
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:10 AM Daniel Megert <daniel_megert@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> Hi Andrey
>
> I know your patch is waiting, sorry, it's on my list to be done after the
> zoom patch.
>
> -1 from me for the merge. I haven't seen many Text related contributions
> form Platform UI committers that would justify giving access to all Platform
> UI committers. Changes that are of Text context-free related changes (remove
> comments, change BREE, etc.) are not Platform Text specific. Having said
> that, if there are Platform UI committers - or any other contributors - that
> provide further contributions, or good code reviews over the next time, then
> I'd be very happy to welcome them as new committers on Platform Text.
>
> Dani
>
>
>
> From: Andrey Loskutov <loskutov@xxxxxx>
> To: platform-text-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx, platform-ui-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: 09.10.2015 13:56
> Subject: [platform-ui-dev] [proposal] Unite platform text and UI
> projects forces
> Sent by: platform-ui-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Recently I was trying to update the platform text projects to BREE 1.7
> to get rid of nasty compile problems with incompatible JRE (platform
> text still insists to see JRE 1.4 on classpath), see [1], but so far it
> didn't found any feedback except the one non-text committer (it was Lars
> as usually :-)).
>
> This does not surprise me, especially looking on the project statistics
> [2] where one can see that there are actually only 2 active committers
> with commit rights on the platform text (Dani and Markus), and the 2
> commits which were made from non-project contributors are representing
> 9% of the project activity in the last 3 months! BTW both those
> "external" 2 commits were made by platform UI committers.
>
> So while we all know how overloaded both active platform text committers
> are, and how bad our overall state with reviewing bugs and patches etc
> is, why not unite our forces and integrate platform text into platform
> UI project? Those two projects have really many things in common and it
> feels naturally for me if we could allow both teams to work on their
> code together. Actually the half of platform text committers are already
> platform UI committers, but unfortunately not other way around.
>
> So what do you think?
> Does this proposal makes sense for you?
>
> Are platform UI committer ready to take over few projects from platform
> text? Are platform text committers agree to give platform UI members
> commit rights on platform text and vice versa?
>
> Few data about projects in platform text: 6 projects (without tests),
> ~1200 files, 4 committers (2 active):
>
> org.eclipse.core.filebuffers
> org.eclipse.jface.text
> org.eclipse.search
> org.eclipse.text
> org.eclipse.ui.editors
> org.eclipse.ui.workbench.texteditor
>
> For comparison: Platform UI: 38 projects (without tests), ~5200 files,
> 25 committers (although I guess only half of them are active).
>
> [1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=478673
> [2] https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/eclipse.platform.text/who
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Andrey Loskutov
>
> http://google.com/+AndreyLoskutov
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